DUST Search - Quit QQing About Heavies W/ Light Weapons

Mike Ox Bigger wrote:

Why all the fuss about heavies running light weapons? Seriously, they have two guns one is close quarters only and the other is AV. What do you want them to do? On open maps, it's near impossible to run the HMG and the Forge is so difficult to kill infantry with after the nerf.

Not to mention, they are blind on the battlefield. They stick out like sore thumbs on the radar. They can't run away. They have giant hit boxes. When I see a heavy with a light weapon I strafe, he misses. He tries to strafe, all my bullets hit.

If you got killed by a heavy with a light weapon there's a few things going on.

1. You stood there and traded damage with him without using cover. Your own fault, learn to strafe and use cover.

2. He has a squad supporting him. Join one of those and work together.

I don't see why everyone complains, I don't run heavy but come 1.8 I will and I'll have a light weapon strapped to it and I could care less about what you think. Just be glad I didn't go Gal Logi this build.

With that, I'll leave you with all the best forum mottos.

Adapt or Die

Get Good Scrub

HTFU

... k I'm stoned and missing some help me out here.

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Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 161	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:47:00 - [1] - Quote Why all the fuss about heavies running light weapons? Seriously, they have two guns one is close quarters only and the other is AV. What do you want them to do? On open maps, it's near impossible to run the HMG and the Forge is so difficult to kill infantry with after the nerf. Not to mention, they are blind on the battlefield. They stick out like sore thumbs on the radar. They can't run away. They have giant hit boxes. When I see a heavy with a light weapon I strafe, he misses. He tries to strafe, all my bullets hit. If you got killed by a heavy with a light weapon there's a few things going on. 1. You stood there and traded damage with him without using cover. Your own fault, learn to strafe and use cover. 2. He has a squad supporting him. Join one of those and work together. I don't see why everyone complains, I don't run heavy but come 1.8 I will and I'll have a light weapon strapped to it and I could care less about what you think. Just be glad I didn't go Gal Logi this build. With that, I'll leave you with all the best forum mottos. Adapt or Die Get Good Scrub HTFU ... k I'm stoned and missing some help me out here.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 1846	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:48:00 - [2] - Quote Q_Q It doesn't matter what the Question is... The Answer is NO! Team carry Prof. IV
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3377	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:50:00 - [3] - Quote lol I can dig it Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
ads alt 135	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:53:00 - [4] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Why all the fuss about heavies running light weapons? Seriously, they have two guns one is close quarters only and the other is AV. What do you want them to do? On open maps, it's near impossible to run the HMG and the Forge is so difficult to kill infantry with after the nerf. Not to mention, they are blind on the battlefield. They stick out like sore thumbs on the radar. They can't run away. They have giant hit boxes. When I see a heavy with a light weapon I strafe, he misses. He tries to strafe, all my bullets hit. If you got killed by a heavy with a light weapon there's a few things going on. 1. You stood there and traded damage with him without using cover. Your own fault, learn to strafe and use cover. 2. He has a squad supporting him. Join one of those and work together. I don't see why everyone complains, I don't run heavy but come 1.8 I will and I'll have a light weapon strapped to it and I could care less about what you think. Just be glad I didn't go Gal Logi this build. With that, I'll leave you with all the best forum mottos. Adapt or Die Get Good Scrub HTFU ... k I'm stoned and missing some help me out here. I agree, but in 1.8 it will be a problem, so idk 1.8 will release...
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 190	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:53:00 - [5] - Quote Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
J0LLY R0G3R 0uter.Heaven 589	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:54:00 - [6] - Quote QQ XD XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1947	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:12:00 - [7] - Quote Dieing to a heavy with a light weapon doesn't annoy me. Its when they use a all proto sentinel with a light weapon. WTF? Don't you have enough HP and damage at standard! Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Patrick57 5870	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:12:00 - [8] - Quote ads alt wrote: I agree, but in 1.8 it will be a problem, so idk A huge problem.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1947	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. Not for lack of attempt. If you seriously suck with the HMG or FG, but love the Heavy feel, then whats wrong with using a light weapon? They don't have any other options. Either lolFG, or lolHMG. Thats the two options your giving them. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 2003	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:14:00 - [10] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Dieing to a heavy with a light weapon doesn't annoy me. Its when they use a all proto sentinel with a light weapon. WTF? Don't you have enough HP and damage at standard! This makes my ScR cry. Sent ak.0 + PRO RR = I die everywhere. Assault ak.0 w/ScR+ScP 4LYFE Forum Warrior Level Two. (GëºGêçGëª)/

Patrick57 5870	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:21:00 - [11] - Quote IMO it's just really ***** pathetic that anyone would need a Heavy suit with a Rail Rifle to be good. Absolutely ***** pathetic.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1948	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:03:00 - [12] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Dieing to a heavy with a light weapon doesn't annoy me. Its when they use a all proto sentinel with a light weapon. WTF? Don't you have enough HP and damage at standard! This makes my ScR cry. Sent ak.0 + PRO RR = I die everywhere. Yup. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1281	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:11:00 - [13] - Quote It feels cheap quite often. The current belief is that it's the Rail Rifle that's makes them really cheap. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:36:00 - [14] - Quote Granted, a few of them are probably those guys that have gotten tired of running the usual FG or HMG. However, the majority of the ones I have encountered appear to simply be poor players who cannot function on the field without a huge HP crutch. They require 2x-3x the HP amount as everyone else to even be able to function in a CQC or ranged combat situation. Couple that with the ones that hide on upper floor building edges or roofs with an RR, and that's about as scrub as you can get. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1540	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:37:00 - [15] - Quote a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:42:00 - [16] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Dieing to a heavy with a light weapon doesn't annoy me. Its when they use a all proto sentinel with a light weapon. WTF? Don't you have enough HP and damage at standard! This makes my ScR cry. Sent ak.0 + PRO RR = I die everywhere. Keep in mind, that the majority that are doing that fitting now, are going to continue it in 1.8 except it is only going to be about 5x worse than it is right now as they'll have resistances to explosives and weapon types, while everyone else gets a damage nerf. It's like vehicles all over again with AV, (AV nerf, vehicle buff) only now with dropsuits (heavy buff with resistances, damage mod, proficiency and non heavy weapon nerf). Some days I can't help but wonder if CCP has a brain the size of a pea. Didn't they figure out yet there was a huge problem from 1.7? If you're going to do a "balance" then actually do one, not skew the scale to one side by stacking weights on one side while completely removing them all from the other. It's plain common sense. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
Yeeeuuuupppp 149	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:53:00 - [17] - Quote I already cried about that, many of times before.. old news. My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 716	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:57:00 - [18] - Quote I would neverQQ about a comando with a light weapon (commandos are heavys after all) These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7246	Posted - 2014.03.09 05:57:00 - [19] - Quote Le sigh... If my Proto Assault has 1000 HP and moves slower than a heavy, everyone says it's a crutch. (Don't actually run it, it's for lolz) But when someone uses a MLT sentinel and slaps on an AR for the same effect, it's fine. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 191	Posted - 2014.03.09 06:09:00 - [20] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. Not for lack of attempt. If you seriously suck with the HMG or FG, but love the Heavy feel, then whats wrong with using a light weapon? They don't have any other options. Either lolFG, or lolHMG. Thats the two options your giving them. If your playing a heavy (HMG), your role is to 1. Push into contested buildings and capture them, or 2. Defend buildings. HMGs are monsters at close range, it's what their meant for. True, I do believe they should eventually get a better long range AI weapon, but for now... use bottlenecks. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...

Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1955	Posted - 2014.03.09 06:17:00 - [21] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. Not for lack of attempt. If you seriously suck with the HMG or FG, but love the Heavy feel, then whats wrong with using a light weapon? They don't have any other options. Either lolFG, or lolHMG. Thats the two options your giving them. If your playing a heavy (HMG), your role is to 1. Push into contested buildings and capture them, or 2. Defend buildings. HMGs are monsters at close range, it's what their meant for. True, I do believe they should eventually get a better long range AI weapon, but for now... use bottlenecks. And if your getting shot at from a RR/CR? Just **** you then? Range may be a good counter to the heavy, but saying that its wrong to attempt to make up for its inadequacies is really dumb when the whole idea is that you can design your character to make up for fails in said character. AV lacks the punch to kill those tanks fast enough. Skills into prof. and weapon damage mods. etc. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1955	Posted - 2014.03.09 06:35:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Le sigh... If my Proto Assault has 1000 HP and moves slower than a heavy, everyone says it's a crutch. (Don't actually run it, it's for lolz) But when someone uses a MLT sentinel and slaps on an AR for the same effect, it's fine. Dear Cat, I just visited the DUST fitting tool, and have come to this conclusion. You talking out of your ass. A proto gallente assault with 2 comp playes, a enh plate, and a comp reactive plate moves at 4.44 mp/s A Standard Amarr Sentinel with one comp plate and a comp reactives moves at 3.46 mp/s You move a full one meter per second with a totally inaccurate simulation, with other fitting factors not considered like the highs slots, or grenades, or sidearms. Heavies are annoying, and their sponginess is a hassle, but you saying your GalSalt is slower then a AmarrSent is a lie. But, they do have more HP then your GalSalt (which is fine, its a heavy FFS) Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 167	Posted - 2014.03.09 16:44:00 - [23] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. You must really suck at this game. There's cover everywhere except in the open fields and if you wanna cross those safely spend some cash and call out a lav. I out strafe people all day long in my assault and in my logi. One moves good the other moves like a heavy with a smaller hit box. Shrug And I'd much rather run into a bunch of heavies with rail rifles than gal logi gk0s with three damage mods and rail rifles.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 815	Posted - 2014.03.09 16:48:00 - [24] - Quote every time i crouch behind cover I get killed, usually the heavy calls LAV and just drives behind me Nemo me impune lacessit
Heimdallr69 Heaven's Lost Property 1799	Posted - 2014.03.09 16:48:00 - [25] - Quote You know this isn't the point, we will stop when you guys stop complaining about fotm and tanks. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 699	Posted - 2014.03.09 16:50:00 - [26] - Quote Simple. Don't let them get you up close and get those slow heavies in the open where their lack of speed is a liability. Either that, or implement plan B -- shoot them in the face.
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS 47	Posted - 2014.03.09 17:06:00 - [27] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Simple. Don't let them get you up close and get those slow heavies in the open where their lack of speed is a liability. How do I outrun a LAV? (Insert witty phrase here)
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1482	Posted - 2014.03.09 17:12:00 - [28] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. It's hard to break through the delusion of crutch-huggers. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1024	Posted - 2014.03.09 17:13:00 - [29] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: Lol, strafe? Even better, cover? What is this magical "cover" you talk about? Also, unless your strafing with a scout or a kb/m your going to take most of the bullets. By your logic, every heavy post 1.8 will be running a heavy weapon and a magsec smg, right? No, they'll still be using light weapons. Not for lack of attempt. If you seriously suck with the HMG or FG, but love the Heavy feel, then whats wrong with using a light weapon? They don't have any other options. Either lolFG, or lolHMG. Thats the two options your giving them. The burst variant of the HMG is no lol, killed another heavy in two bursts from it. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... 35	Posted - 2014.03.09 17:31:00 - [30] - Quote To all loosers who complain about heavy + LW: Use Your brains next time. Get dempners, get flux granade or RE and deal with f..... Be a total di..head, spawn that sica with Railgun or forge him. Call lav, get heavy with HMG and taxi-murder him from 10m. Stop QQ, start doing something else than b.......



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