DUST Search - (request) fix the f*cking red line rail tank

SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote:

MRBH1997 wrote:

They should just make railgun AI a little less aim bot and hacked. Also hey should reimplement when a installation is being used by a person it's damage drops from what the AI did. When rail turrets were like that they were actually sensible and not retardedly OP.

As for redline sniping railgun tanks they just suck so bad they have to hide to survive and manage I get points. Just send a sica or jihad LAV after them from either yourself or a friend or blueberry. I personably hate them so much I pull out a triple damage mod particle cannon and just slowly drive to a perfect spot and 2 shot there ***** and then go on to laugh at them.

See, the only problem no one is seeing, is that the railgun in this game is specifically designed to be used from a distance. The guys sitting I the red line firing are actually using their rail tank EXACTLY as it was designed by CCP.

Think about it...

It has the slowest turret turn speed, the slowest ROF, the slowest reload time, the slowest cool down time, and the longest range... it was specifically designed to sit in one spot on the very back of the battlefield and lay waste to all it sees.quote=Alena Ventrallis]In order to combat redline rail tanks:

1. make all vehicles always visible on the map. They are big enough to show up, so have them show up.

2. remove every other line on the redline graphic on the map. Let us see what's in there.

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Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 260	Posted - 2014.03.08 02:11:00 - [1] - Quote being immortal, 2 shotting everything, and risking "nothing" whilst hiding behind cliffs in the red line, IS NOT A FAIR TACTIC fix this... now. not even funny, its totally rtarded, fix this sht Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 29	Posted - 2014.03.08 07:49:00 - [2] - Quote here is my idea for removing it it will also reduce uplink spam in the later part of the game thus helping the game run a little smoother. before you shut it down just think how stupid one of the teams would be if they left the objective to camp the MCC only to have the other team spawn in way behind them and steal the objective from them and now have it well defended while the MCC campers try their hardest to get the objective back. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1900032#post1900032
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 817	Posted - 2014.03.08 08:20:00 - [3] - Quote In order to combat redline rail tanks: 1. make all vehicles always visible on the map. They are big enough to show up, so have them show up. 2. remove every other line on the redline graphic on the map. Let us see what's in there. Best PVE idea I've seen.
Bat Shard0 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 47	Posted - 2014.03.13 11:07:00 - [4] - Quote By my opinion it is simple. Nerf range of rail tanks. Tank in red line zone cannot hit center of the map. If tanker want kills - let him take a risk to enter battlefield. It is the simple way. And in most of the cases is the best way http://dust514news.blogspot.com/
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.03.13 12:17:00 - [5] - Quote Bat Shard0 wrote: By my opinion it is simple. Nerf range of rail tanks. Tank in red line zone cannot hit center of the map. If tanker want kills - let him take a risk to enter battlefield. It is the simple way. And in most of the cases is the best way Rail tanks need to have that range tbh, but the maps are too small and the redline is way too close to the objectives. Also rail tanks have ridiculous RoF atm... R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 276	Posted - 2014.03.17 19:06:00 - [6] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Bat Shard0 wrote: By my opinion it is simple. Nerf range of rail tanks. Tank in red line zone cannot hit center of the map. If tanker want kills - let him take a risk to enter battlefield. It is the simple way. And in most of the cases is the best way Rail tanks need to have that range tbh, but the maps are too small and the redline is way too close to the objectives. Also rail tanks have ridiculous RoF atm... i agree. I cant PC as a dropship pilot because of railtanks in redlines, and this basically means im reduced to uplink hunting.. so .. yey teamwork :l Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Kratek Heshan G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 0	Posted - 2014.03.17 20:51:00 - [7] - Quote i know its annoying mountain tanks and red line sniper and tanks ...but some players if you killed them like 2 times 3 times they will totally be pissed at you and take u down what ever the cost. same with me i get pissed by dropship and red line snipers my limit if they kill me 2 times i will hunt them down till the match is.over %#%#
MRBH1997 Knights Of Ender Galactic Skyfleet Empire 76	Posted - 2014.03.18 05:49:00 - [8] - Quote They should just make railgun AI a little less aim bot and hacked. Also hey should reimplement when a installation is being used by a person it's damage drops from what the AI did. When rail turrets were like that they were actually sensible and not retardedly OP. As for redline sniping railgun tanks they just suck so bad they have to hide to survive and manage I get points. Just send a sica or jihad LAV after them from either yourself or a friend or blueberry. I personably hate them so much I pull out a triple damage mod particle cannon and just slowly drive to a perfect spot and 2 shot there ***** and then go on to laugh at them. CEO of Knights of Ender Corporation Website: http://koe.shivtr.com Public Channel: Knights of Ender Public
SGTFunyoun THEFIRST Arachnea Phoenix Battalion 57	Posted - 2014.03.18 06:05:00 - [9] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: In order to combat redline rail tanks: 1. make all vehicles always visible on the map. They are big enough to show up, so have them show up. 2. remove every other line on the redline graphic on the map. Let us see what's in there. I like this idea better, instead of nerfing the red line tanker sitting in the redline so he can't shoot, let him shoot all he wants... but make it so BOTH sides can see clearly into the red line area. In an actual battle, there is no shield of invisibility... you either get your vehicle brought down to you... or you don't. Simple as that. Never steal SGT Funyoun's Jingle Truck... or I will blow you up in it... and eat your blueberry flavored protobear soul.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 276	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:34:00 - [10] - Quote SGTFunyoun THEFIRST wrote: MRBH1997 wrote: They should just make railgun AI a little less aim bot and hacked. Also hey should reimplement when a installation is being used by a person it's damage drops from what the AI did. When rail turrets were like that they were actually sensible and not retardedly OP. As for redline sniping railgun tanks they just suck so bad they have to hide to survive and manage I get points. Just send a sica or jihad LAV after them from either yourself or a friend or blueberry. I personably hate them so much I pull out a triple damage mod particle cannon and just slowly drive to a perfect spot and 2 shot there ***** and then go on to laugh at them. See, the only problem no one is seeing, is that the railgun in this game is specifically designed to be used from a distance. The guys sitting I the red line firing are actually using their rail tank EXACTLY as it was designed by CCP. Think about it... It has the slowest turret turn speed, the slowest ROF, the slowest reload time, the slowest cool down time, and the longest range... it was specifically designed to sit in one spot on the very back of the battlefield and lay waste to all it sees.quote=Alena Ventrallis]In order to combat redline rail tanks: 1. make all vehicles always visible on the map. They are big enough to show up, so have them show up. 2. remove every other line on the redline graphic on the map. Let us see what's in there. I like this idea better, instead of nerfing the red line tanker sitting in the redline so he can't shoot, let him shoot all he wants... but make it so BOTH sides can see clearly into the red line area. In an actual battle, there is no shield of invisibility... you either get your vehicle brought down to you... or you don't. Simple as that.[/quote] The issue is not that they are being used incorrectly, It is that they are in a completely safe area of the battlefield where nobody except a tank of equal or greater power can reach them. Dropships which are designed entirely for mobility cannot reach them, and are instantly killed by them if they don't have hardeners active before being hit. Rail Tankers are, how to put this ... "Immortal". The tanks that require "no" skill points are 2 hit killing 5-6 million SP dropships within half a second, without even getting the chance to respond. This is an issue that needs to be fixed in 1.8, and if its not, there's a serious hole in CCPs thinking. Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)

Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 203	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:39:00 - [11] - Quote you know nyian san has a problem with soemthing when it counters thier spam and easy win tatics.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 276	Posted - 2014.03.18 09:45:00 - [12] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know nyian san has a problem with soemthing when it counters thier spam and easy win tatics. I fly dropships :) the other nyains don't speak English so I don't know what their problems are :) so be quiet Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Nikoli Gleimer Axis of Chaos 14	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:24:00 - [13] - Quote I dont mind that rail guns shoot my assault dropship down. ITS WHEN THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY FOR ME TO GO AFTER HIM AND MAKE HIM PAY FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE. If a redline railgun tank can shoot me from that far away, basically in another map. Then i should be able to go fight him with my assault dropship right??? In my opinion, just take out the entire redline. Put a deployable shield barrier that extends down from the MCC and is kinda like a dome shown in planet side 2. That would give redline railgunners the abiltity to still shoot stuff from mountain tops (which i still think is pathetic) but then i can at least go after him. And for all of you who say i should jihad jeep and kill them in the redline.....how am i suppose to jihad someone when they are so far into the redline, they are basically on another map.... Phew.....that felt good to get off my chest
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1028	Posted - 2014.03.18 11:59:00 - [14] - Quote What a bunch of QQ Kittens. Wow. Of course we are here on the Dust forums and nobody has ever figured out that the Reds cannot even see the line your QQ are about. Whatever. Your situation is so very special. You paid ISK/AUR and wasted/spent/earned SP to get your favorite toy. Your toy floats above tanks that aren't in the red line while being impossible to hit so you are safe from retribution. But when the tanker gets fed up and has to pull out a Proto turret to drop your toy you want them to stop. No, no. Don't shoot my toy down. I want a push to kill you button but you cannot have one to even the score. Tankers are sick of drop ship pilots that rarely can damage a tank. Yet they hover above us, being irritating and annoy us. Sometimes (three times since 1.7) I even get killed by a drop ship. After that I will get out a Proto Rail with damage mods and pop that dual hardener equipped drop ship out of the sky. It is very satisfying. The turrets are limited in their movement. So we need distance and very often a hill to get the nose of the tank up such that we can even target your beautiful toy. Except CCP/Shanghai has decided that Drep Ship pilots get a free escape and their death will not reward the tanker more often than not. Besides that I guess I see your point. Or not. And so it goes.
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Renegade Alliance 277	Posted - 2014.03.18 12:18:00 - [15] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: What a bunch of QQ Kittens. Wow. Of course we are here on the Dust forums and nobody has ever figured out that the Reds cannot even see the line your QQ are about. Whatever. Your situation is so very special. You paid ISK/AUR and wasted/spent/earned SP to get your favorite toy. Your toy floats above tanks that aren't in the red line while being impossible to hit so you are safe from retribution. But when the tanker gets fed up and has to pull out a Proto turret to drop your toy you want them to stop. No, no. Don't shoot my toy down. I want a push to kill you button but you cannot have one to even the score. Tankers are sick of drop ship pilots that rarely can damage a tank. Yet they hover above us, being irritating and annoy us. Sometimes (three times since 1.7) I even get killed by a drop ship. After that I will get out a Proto Rail with damage mods and pop that dual hardener equipped drop ship out of the sky. It is very satisfying. The turrets are limited in their movement. So we need distance and very often a hill to get the nose of the tank up such that we can even target your beautiful toy. Except CCP/Shanghai has decided that Drep Ship pilots get a free escape and their death will not reward the tanker more often than not. Besides that I guess I see your point. Or not. so there are some balance issues.... who knew xD Best game with a Python: 33kills 1 death (1.6) 24kills 1 death (1.7)
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 253	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:30:00 - [16] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: you know nyian san has a problem with soemthing when it counters thier spam and easy win tatics. I fly dropships :) the other nyains don't speak English so I don't know what their problems are :) so be quiet This is a problem for everyone. I was flying a Myron a couple days ago, and one of my gunners killed a hostile. He was the first person we had shot at. What did he do? Pull out a red line railgun and 0KHed me. It's easy mode, and completely imbalanced. Even if he had not OKHed me, his rate of fire would have murdered me before I could get my dropships under control, or activated my booster and hardener Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Charlotte O'Dell Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors Dropsuit Samurai 2181	Posted - 2014.03.18 18:17:00 - [17] - Quote Bat Shard0 wrote: By my opinion it is simple. Nerf range of rail tanks. Tank in red line zone cannot hit center of the map. If tanker want kills - let him take a risk to enter battlefield. It is the simple way. And in most of the cases is the best way Worst possible solution. Fix the maps. Every map is a bowl except Fracture Road, which incidentally, almost never has rail tank problems. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!


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