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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1809	Posted - 2014.03.07 14:02:00 - [1] - Quote Retarn Dominus wrote: Hi all. I would like to open a healthy discussion on Red Lining. I speak as a Red Liner and a Red Lined player. It seems these days that In Factional and Skirmish contracts it is uncommon to have a close, well balanced and thoroughly enjoyable game. Either you get RL or you RL which normally leads to a boring GÇÿnot so funGÇÖ game for both teams. What normally happens in a RL game: 1. More than half the losing side give up depending on how cruel and blood lustful the winning side is. 2. The winning side show no mercy and end up racing each other for the scraps of what few reds come out to play. Which BTW decreases to the point of nobody wanting to party and end up either sniping, leaving or just whimpering inside their MCC wishing it would all go away. What I propose is GÇÿOperation False HopeGÇÖ I suggest when the game is clearly a RL situation that we (the red liners) pull back from the Reds home objective and give it back allowing them to them keep it. IGÇÖm crazy you say? IGÇÖm honour bound and clearly a big softy eh? Not so. LetGÇÖs think about the effect of this. 1. More than half the Red Lined would still be willing to come out and party. Sure they may take back another point but hey! now we have a little game on our hands and beats running for scraps or defending a point and have no reds show up ALL MATCH. This also gives the Reds hope and more enjoyment for them especially those new to the game. We all know this game is not friendly to newbies and can be very off-putting. 2. Blues would have a more active game and check this out. You may actually have more things to hack, rep, remote, shoot and even get more kills in the process! So when should a game be deemed RL and won? Oh come on. You just know when. How can this be implemented? Well as a start all those in active Corps and Squads should discuss this and If you know another language, translating to other sections of the forum would be a good thing. Putting across this idea in team chat when possible would also be a good start. Yep we will still have blues doing the mad red line rush but if the squads / Sq leaders follow these proposed protocols then this would lessen the chance of boring matches. What say ye? I have encouraged this alot when I am on a team that is redlining rather than redlined. I wouldn't call it nice though, you can still farm kills from their CRU/letter (which is why I encourage it, demoralize your opponent, give them hope only to crush it). I was in a match last night where we had nearly a full squad just camping a CRU with full logi support, blue hives all around it and several needles nearby. Dumbass reddots just wouldn't stop spawning there, so we just kept putting them down, over and over and over and over again. I imagine the rage was loud with some of them, IDK though with no prox chat. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1809	Posted - 2014.03.07 14:16:00 - [2] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: The Infected One wrote: So this idea is something that we've been playing with for a while, and while it is a lot more fun when the red lined red dots actually do come out and play, its always ruined by that one "Helpful" blue dot who runs in and hacks the objective for the 100 points instead of thinking ahead at all the possible kills he could get. I've taken to camping the last red objective in a dampened scout suit and killing any blue dot that tries to hack it in FW while leaving the reds alone until they have a large enough group to try to make a push from their objective. Yes I'm a team killer in some of these games, but when most of the enemy team is straight out of the academy and are only on the other side because they don't know how to select 1 or 2 factions to fight for, they always get put on Caldari or Aamar due to everyone wanting Gal or Min LP equipment, and lets face it. They need all the help they can get. I think you don't get it, this is not about spawn camping, it's about retreat and recapture of big if not all parts of the map. Spawn camping is pathetic. I know that it only works on the less intelligent red dots, but it's pathetic anyway. Killing your own team members who like to prevent spawncamping is even more pathetic... Actually, what is pathetic is the level of intelligence with some reddots when they continue to spawn on a camped spawn point. If you've spawned in there only to die more than once, pick a different spawn or don't cry about being spawn camped. Spawn camping is a legit tactic that was purposefully kept in by CCP. If you think it is bad now, be glad you weren't here for the Closed Beta when you didn't get a spawn cloak and your appeared on the battlefield before your field of view loaded (which is to say that reddots saw you and killed you before you saw anything). Also, I really find it amusing how many of the "hardcore" new eden fps'ers deride spawn camping, the only reason I can think of it deride it is because you don't like it happening to you and if you're not smart enough to change spawn points then you deserve to be laughed at and farmed. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1809	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:23:00 - [3] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Retarn Dominus wrote: Hi all. I would like to open a healthy discussion on Red Lining. I speak as a Red Liner and a Red Lined player. It seems these days that In Factional and Skirmish contracts it is uncommon to have a close, well balanced and thoroughly enjoyable game. Either you get RL or you RL which normally leads to a boring GÇÿnot so funGÇÖ game for both teams. What normally happens in a RL game: 1. More than half the losing side give up depending on how cruel and blood lustful the winning side is. 2. The winning side show no mercy and end up racing each other for the scraps of what few reds come out to play. Which BTW decreases to the point of nobody wanting to party and end up either sniping, leaving or just whimpering inside their MCC wishing it would all go away. What I propose is GÇÿOperation False HopeGÇÖ I suggest when the game is clearly a RL situation that we (the red liners) pull back from the Reds home objective and give it back allowing them to them keep it. IGÇÖm crazy you say? IGÇÖm honour bound and clearly a big softy eh? Not so. LetGÇÖs think about the effect of this. 1. More than half the Red Lined would still be willing to come out and party. Sure they may take back another point but hey! now we have a little game on our hands and beats running for scraps or defending a point and have no reds show up ALL MATCH. This also gives the Reds hope and more enjoyment for them especially those new to the game. We all know this game is not friendly to newbies and can be very off-putting. 2. Blues would have a more active game and check this out. You may actually have more things to hack, rep, remote, shoot and even get more kills in the process! So when should a game be deemed RL and won? Oh come on. You just know when. How can this be implemented? Well as a start all those in active Corps and Squads should discuss this and If you know another language, translating to other sections of the forum would be a good thing. Putting across this idea in team chat when possible would also be a good start. Yep we will still have blues doing the mad red line rush but if the squads / Sq leaders follow these proposed protocols then this would lessen the chance of boring matches. What say ye? I have encouraged this alot when I am on a team that is redlining rather than redlined. I wouldn't call it nice though, you can still farm kills from their CRU/letter (which is why I encourage it, demoralize your opponent, give them hope only to crush it). I was in a match last night where we had nearly a full squad just camping a CRU with full logi support, blue hives all around it and several needles nearby. Dumbass reddots just wouldn't stop spawning there, so we just kept putting them down, over and over and over and over again. I imagine the rage was loud with some of them, IDK though with no prox chat. You sound proud of it. If I did this I would never admit it. In a game where the fun is what you make of it, I relish every single laugh. I was laughing the entire time we were camping that CRU, if that means I am proud of it, so be it. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1809	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:27:00 - [4] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: The Infected One wrote: If you actually read what I wrote you would have seen that I leave the reds alone until they can make a solid push from their objective Not spawn camp. I'm dampened so they don't see me, and I kill our own blues so the reds have somewhere to spawn. I'm actually trying to help the reds. Perhaps you quoted the wrong person in your post. Got it, but I still don't like team killing, no matter the reason. Alaika Arbosa wrote: Actually, what is pathetic is the level of intelligence with some reddots when they continue to spawn on a camped spawn point. If you've spawned in there only to die more than once, pick a different spawn or don't cry about being spawn camped. Spawn camping is a legit tactic that was purposefully kept in by CCP. If you think it is bad now, be glad you weren't here for the Closed Beta when you didn't get a spawn cloak and your appeared on the battlefield before your field of view loaded (which is to say that reddots saw you and killed you before you saw anything). Also, I really find it amusing how many of the "hardcore" new eden fps'ers deride spawn camping, the only reason I can think of it deride it is because you don't like it happening to you and if you're not smart enough to change spawn points then you deserve to be laughed at and farmed. I usually do not spawn twice on a camped spot... Spawn camping is just cheap farming of kills, if you have fun doing that, well then you are part of the problem... I don't like spawn camping at all! That the camped guys are not the wisest or experienced guys doesnt make it any better. I guess I've been part of the problem since Closed Beta then. Don't let me find an uplink of yours or a red CRU cause I will camp it until the uplink is depleted or I am killed or the match is over or reddots finally stop spawning there. At least I only grief reddots. Kill PC and reclaim all wealth it has generated before it damages the game even further Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber

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