DUST Search - Ion Pistol: Hidden Gem?

Cody Sietz wrote:

Sarus Rambo wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour.

It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead.

Yeah This is basically what makes it useful. The charge shot might make it one of the most widely used sidearms because of this 1-2 combo. The only real reason to use a sidearm now is if you are either out of rifle ammo and want to finish someone off, or if you are running something that isn't a rifle.

This would be a good reason to use a sidearm in combination with your rifle in many more situations. It all depends o if you can switch weapons if its overheated, which I don't believe you can do now with any of the other weapons that overheat unfortunately. If you cant switch, or if the overheat cooldown is too long then this really wont be that great, otherwise it will be pretty good combo weapon to run.

Sadly, if it functions like the other overheat weapons, you won't be able to fast swap since you will "stunned" for a few seconds.

I'm hoping that's not the case, or that the cool down time is short.

Give us short CDT for the Ion CCP!

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Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2144	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote A lot of people are looking at the pistol's RoF, figuring it's DPS from what's listed and whining, however, I think there is more than meets the eye. What we know: -RoF -Single shot damage -Charged shot damage -Charged shot time -Per devblog you can fire semi auto shots -Per devblog you can charge and release Quote: "It also features a charged shot: Simply hold the trigger until itGÇÖs full charged, and release to fill some poor unsuspecting victimGÇÖs face with plasma." It is hard to tell exactly what this means. Does it mean you can hold the shot until it is perfect, and then let go, but then have to wait for the 'discharge/overheat'? Does the overheat hurt you? How long is the overheat? Also the devblog mentions one more thing... Quote: It has lower damage and range than the Scrambler pistol, but a higher rate of fire and larger clip. Interestingly, the scrambler pistol's RoF is .15s while the ion pistol is .16. This brings me to the things we don't yet know... - Can you not fully charge a shot and then follow with more shots? - How long does the overheating mechanic take? - What will the operation skill do? A lot of the new sidearms come down to this last question. If magsec smg kik/dispersion sucks and operation skill only helps kick and not dispersion, then it's DPS may NOT beat AR 'effectiveness'. My theory is that because of a 'clip size' bonus to ion pistol being REALLY dumb, it's OPERATION skill bonus would be either: -Overheat time reduction- -RoF bonus- or -max charged shot damage bonus-. My money is on RoF bonus. The reason why is because a '5% RoF bonus per level' would make 2 points of operation skills make the ion pistol be true to the devblog to have a better RoF. At level V the RoF is .12 or taking its DPS up to significantly better and more deadly levels appropriate for a gallente up close blaster weapon.
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 172	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:10:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10515	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:11:00 - [3] - Quote Even with a 25% higher RoF the ion pistol is not exactly going to be overwhelming. At a 20 metre range, instant overheat on charge shot, and even the possibility of overheating just from the semi-auto will do bad things to the weapon. Especially as it doesn't have that much damage output in the first place. It looks pretty much like a short range SCR with terrible damage per shot, low RoF, and a higher risk of overheating. Unless that's one hell of an operations skill, I can't see that changing. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2597	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:12:00 - [4] - Quote It just may be half of this games plasma pistol/battle rifle combo from Halo I'll start my own war, with hookers, and blackjack! In fact forget the war and the blackjack.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1737	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:34:00 - [5] - Quote So, Scrambler pistol is now the second fastest RoF gun? Drop it like its hat.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2249	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:37:00 - [6] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: So, Scrambler pistol is now the second fastest RoF gun? pistol. yes....well don't know about flaylock...
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2752	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:45:00 - [7] - Quote I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1737	Posted - 2014.03.19 16:53:00 - [8] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. Ill buy 20 or 30 of STD one from the LP store. They have higher RoF now than ScP, so might fit my playstyle! Drop it like its hat.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1088	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:02:00 - [9] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. Ill buy 20 or 30 of STD one from the LP store. They have higher RoF now than ScP, so might fit my playstyle! They do? Did the scrambler pistol get nerfed?
Sarus Rambo Direct Action Resources 61	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:08:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. Yeah This is basically what makes it useful. The charge shot might make it one of the most widely used sidearms because of this 1-2 combo. The only real reason to use a sidearm now is if you are either out of rifle ammo and want to finish someone off, or if you are running something that isn't a rifle. This would be a good reason to use a sidearm in combination with your rifle in many more situations. It all depends o if you can switch weapons if its overheated, which I don't believe you can do now with any of the other weapons that overheat unfortunately. If you cant switch, or if the overheat cooldown is too long then this really wont be that great, otherwise it will be pretty good combo weapon to run. This sums up 75% of the forum posts.

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1737	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:09:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. Ill buy 20 or 30 of STD one from the LP store. They have higher RoF now than ScP, so might fit my playstyle! They do? Did the scrambler pistol get nerfed? Yep. Hard. Drop it like its hat.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2754	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:14:00 - [12] - Quote Sarus Rambo wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. Yeah This is basically what makes it useful. The charge shot might make it one of the most widely used sidearms because of this 1-2 combo. The only real reason to use a sidearm now is if you are either out of rifle ammo and want to finish someone off, or if you are running something that isn't a rifle. This would be a good reason to use a sidearm in combination with your rifle in many more situations. It all depends o if you can switch weapons if its overheated, which I don't believe you can do now with any of the other weapons that overheat unfortunately. If you cant switch, or if the overheat cooldown is too long then this really wont be that great, otherwise it will be pretty good combo weapon to run. Sadly, if it functions like the other overheat weapons, you won't be able to fast swap since you will "stunned" for a few seconds. I'm hoping that's not the case, or that the cool down time is short. Give us short CDT for the Ion CCP! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Remote Explosives Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:24:00 - [13] - Quote Im hopeing the sights are decent..
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7546	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:26:00 - [14] - Quote It has a seize time of 3.5 seconds. For a CQC pistol (LOWEST RANGE BY FAAAAAAAAAAAR), that's a death sentence. Also, unless they're changing the scrambler pistol operation bonus, scrambler pistol only has 1 shot less than the Ion Pistol. Couple that with the fact that the Ion Pistol has ** for damage per clip (600) and you've got a **** pistol in your hands. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7546	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:27:00 - [15] - Quote Oh and the operation skill is kick reduction (25%) and charge time reduction (25%). Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2252	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:29:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Sarus Rambo wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I've already said I will use it with A commando and PLC so I don't care, but I hope it will be a decent sidearm considering it will not be so good vs armour. It might compliment a CR or RR well with it's charged shot(knock out a good chunk of shields I'd imagine, if not all) then start filling them full of space lead. Yeah This is basically what makes it useful. The charge shot might make it one of the most widely used sidearms because of this 1-2 combo. The only real reason to use a sidearm now is if you are either out of rifle ammo and want to finish someone off, or if you are running something that isn't a rifle. This would be a good reason to use a sidearm in combination with your rifle in many more situations. It all depends o if you can switch weapons if its overheated, which I don't believe you can do now with any of the other weapons that overheat unfortunately. If you cant switch, or if the overheat cooldown is too long then this really wont be that great, otherwise it will be pretty good combo weapon to run. Sadly, if it functions like the other overheat weapons, you won't be able to fast swap since you will "stunned" for a few seconds. I'm hoping that's not the case, or that the cool down time is short. Give us short CDT for the Ion CCP! There's cooldown time and then there's seize duration. I think Logibro said CDT is .5 seconds CDT but i could be misremembering.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3321	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:33:00 - [17] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: So, Scrambler pistol is now the second fastest RoF gun? pistol. yes....well don't know about flaylock... Flaylock is 1250 RPM... up until you hit that third round. Then it gets kind of slow. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2252	Posted - 2014.03.19 17:37:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It has a seize time of 3.5 seconds. For a CQC pistol (LOWEST RANGE BY FAAAAAAAAAAAR), that's a death sentence. Also, unless they're changing the scrambler pistol operation bonus, scrambler pistol only has 1 shot less than the Ion Pistol. Couple that with the fact that the Ion Pistol has ** for damage per clip (600) and you've got a **** pistol in your hands. The only way the ion pistol would have any redeeming advantage would be if you could charge and fire-fire-fire like the scrambler rifle.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5189	Posted - 2014.03.19 18:32:00 - [19] - Quote according to Protofits.com it says that the operational skill is a charge time reduction by 5% per level making it 1.0875 secs for a charged shot. Although I'm not sure where that info came from. Either way, still nothing to make the weapon any better. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Takron Nistrom Tinfoil Hatz 270	Posted - 2014.03.19 18:39:00 - [20] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: according to Protofits.com it says that the operational skill is a charge time reduction by 5% per level making it 1.0875 secs for a charged shot. Although I'm not sure where that info came from. Either way, still nothing to make the weapon any better. The static data dump GÇ£Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)GÇ¥ GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace



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