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Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 93	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:11:00 - [1] - Quote Because with this TTK changes, protos will now be running shields instead of damage mods and the disparity between starter fits and stacked protos, hell, even standards with one complex shield extender will ensure everyone I try to bring to this game leaves a disillusioned husk. And we give these starter fits an AR, which arguably is the weakest weapon now.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 142	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:39:00 - [2] - Quote For those who have yet to see the following changes, you really need to check them out. When CCP LogiBro said he would nerf the everything, he meant that they would NERF THE EVERYTHING with the exception of the Mass Driver. Here's the breakdown/ site to look at the following changes.Here is another giving changes to other guns and stuff as well. THE SMG DID NOT DESERVED NOR NEEDED A DECREASE IN DAMAGE! People can only carry 2 grenades. An indirect nerf to Anti-vehicle grenades which THEY NEED ALL THAT THEY CAN GET! The Standard AR went from 34 to 30, Advance from 35 to 31.5, and the Prototype from 37.5 to 33 which is about a 12% decrease overall. Also the proficiency only applies additional damage to shields only meaning this gun cannot eat though armor as easy now. They also implied that the gun's weakness would be noticeable now. Also notice that they did not touch the officer weapons, so they will surly go up in price. So for those QQ'ing about the AR being OP here you go. The Standard SCR went from 72 to 65, Advance from 75.6 to 68.25, and the Prototype from 79.2 to 71.5 which was about a 10% decrease overall. As stated in the AR, the SCR's proficiency would only see an increase damage output to shields only meaning this gun may not be the ideal gun to kill armor heavy users now. For people QQ'ing that the SCR was OP here YOU go. It was obvious that the CR and the RR would see nerfs across the board so there's no need to explain damage out put however their proficiency allows them to do more damage to armor. Yes the RR is now effective to armor. Hell I am level 5 with level 3 proficiency in the CR and I would admit that the damned CR is powerful. Hell stack 2 complex damage modifiers on using a prototype RR and you will kill the everything. Which brings up the next thing they did They decrease the bonus to Damage modifiers but only on the advance and prototype variants. Advance went from 5% to 4% and the prototype went from 10% to 5% (damn a 50% decrease in bonus ). MASS DRIVERS ARE BACK WITH AN INCREASE IN DAMAGE AND SPLASH! So for people who loved using this beast of a weapon now it will be your chance to relive that moment. But wait a minute, Minmatar weaponry received a buff? The new Magsec SMG will be the new SMG to run now. Hell I can see people main this as a light weapon since it can out do the AR in just about everything now and the proficiency gives bonus damage to armor. Look CCP if you nerf one SMG you might as well do it for the other. I am only saying this because the regular SMG did nothing to deserve a nerf. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 400	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:44:00 - [3] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: For those who have yet to see the following changes, you really need to check them out. When CCP LogiBro said he would nerf the everything, he meant that they would NERF THE EVERYTHING with the exception of the Mass Driver. Here's the breakdown/ site to look at the following changes.Here is another giving changes to other guns and stuff as well. THE SMG DID NOT DESERVED NOR NEEDED A DECREASE IN DAMAGE! People can only carry 2 grenades. An indirect nerf to Anti-vehicle grenades which THEY NEED ALL THAT THEY CAN GET! The Standard AR went from 34 to 30, Advance from 35 to 31.5, and the Prototype from 37.5 to 33 which is about a 12% decrease overall. Also the proficiency only applies additional damage to shields only meaning this gun cannot eat though armor as easy now. They also implied that the gun's weakness would be noticeable now. Also notice that they did not touch the officer weapons, so they will surly go up in price. So for those QQ'ing about the AR being OP here you go. The Standard SCR went from 72 to 65, Advance from 75.6 to 68.25, and the Prototype from 79.2 to 71.5 which was about a 10% decrease overall. As stated in the AR, the SCR's proficiency would only see an increase damage output to shields only meaning this gun may not be the ideal gun to kill armor heavy users now. For people QQ'ing that the SCR was OP here YOU go. It was obvious that the CR and the RR would see nerfs across the board so there's no need to explain damage out put however their proficiency allows them to do more damage to armor. Yes the RR is now effective to armor. Hell I am level 5 with level 3 proficiency in the CR and I would admit that the damned CR is powerful. Hell stack 2 complex damage modifiers on using a prototype RR and you will kill the everything. Which brings up the next thing they did They decrease the bonus to Damage modifiers but only on the advance and prototype variants. Advance went from 5% to 4% and the prototype went from 10% to 5% (damn a 50% decrease in bonus ). MASS DRIVERS ARE BACK WITH AN INCREASE IN DAMAGE AND SPLASH! So for people who loved using this beast of a weapon now it will be your chance to relive that moment. But wait a minute, Minmatar weaponry received a buff? The new Magsec SMG will be the new SMG to run now. Hell I can see people main this as a light weapon since it can out do the AR in just about everything now and the proficiency gives bonus damage to armor. Look CCP if you nerf one SMG you might as well do it for the other. I am only saying this because the regular SMG did nothing to deserve a nerf. Nerfed everything??? Where is that HMG nerf? Did I miss it??????????????????? If "everything" is getting nerfed, please tell me why I have yet to find any HMG nerfs? I tried the STD HMG and wow... this might be bad if the HMG stays the same while everything else becomes weaker. Heavy 514??? I'm just flat out worried about these changes because with CCP, the more changed = the more problems. Nerfing/buffing has never really been their strong point Please be good update... please be good. CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1246	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:47:00 - [4] - Quote rubs his temples I don't know how many times I'm going to have to tell people to stop overreacting. I mean, why the Hell is most of the playerbase drama queens? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 142	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Dj grammer wrote: For those who have yet to see the following changes, you really need to check them out. When CCP LogiBro said he would nerf the everything, he meant that they would NERF THE EVERYTHING with the exception of the Mass Driver. Here's the breakdown/ site to look at the following changes.Here is another giving changes to other guns and stuff as well. THE SMG DID NOT DESERVED NOR NEEDED A DECREASE IN DAMAGE! People can only carry 2 grenades. An indirect nerf to Anti-vehicle grenades which THEY NEED ALL THAT THEY CAN GET! The Standard AR went from 34 to 30, Advance from 35 to 31.5, and the Prototype from 37.5 to 33 which is about a 12% decrease overall. Also the proficiency only applies additional damage to shields only meaning this gun cannot eat though armor as easy now. They also implied that the gun's weakness would be noticeable now. Also notice that they did not touch the officer weapons, so they will surly go up in price. So for those QQ'ing about the AR being OP here you go. The Standard SCR went from 72 to 65, Advance from 75.6 to 68.25, and the Prototype from 79.2 to 71.5 which was about a 10% decrease overall. As stated in the AR, the SCR's proficiency would only see an increase damage output to shields only meaning this gun may not be the ideal gun to kill armor heavy users now. For people QQ'ing that the SCR was OP here YOU go. It was obvious that the CR and the RR would see nerfs across the board so there's no need to explain damage out put however their proficiency allows them to do more damage to armor. Yes the RR is now effective to armor. Hell I am level 5 with level 3 proficiency in the CR and I would admit that the damned CR is powerful. Hell stack 2 complex damage modifiers on using a prototype RR and you will kill the everything. Which brings up the next thing they did They decrease the bonus to Damage modifiers but only on the advance and prototype variants. Advance went from 5% to 4% and the prototype went from 10% to 5% (damn a 50% decrease in bonus ). MASS DRIVERS ARE BACK WITH AN INCREASE IN DAMAGE AND SPLASH! So for people who loved using this beast of a weapon now it will be your chance to relive that moment. But wait a minute, Minmatar weaponry received a buff? The new Magsec SMG will be the new SMG to run now. Hell I can see people main this as a light weapon since it can out do the AR in just about everything now and the proficiency gives bonus damage to armor. Look CCP if you nerf one SMG you might as well do it for the other. I am only saying this because the regular SMG did nothing to deserve a nerf. Nerfed everything??? Where is that HMG nerf? Did I miss it??????????????????? If "everything" is getting nerfed, please tell me why I have yet to find any HMG nerfs? I tried the STD HMG and wow... this might be bad if the HMG stays the same while everything else becomes weaker. Heavy 514??? I'm just flat out worried about these changes because with CCP, the more changed = the more problems. Nerfing/buffing has never really been their strong point Please be good update... please be good. Good catch non the HMG I will edit my post ASAP. I hope to lord Jesus Christ that 1.8 will be at least decent. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 644	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:50:00 - [6] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Dj grammer wrote: For those who have yet to see the following changes, you really need to check them out. When CCP LogiBro said he would nerf the everything, he meant that they would NERF THE EVERYTHING with the exception of the Mass Driver. Here's the breakdown/ site to look at the following changes.Here is another giving changes to other guns and stuff as well. THE SMG DID NOT DESERVED NOR NEEDED A DECREASE IN DAMAGE! People can only carry 2 grenades. An indirect nerf to Anti-vehicle grenades which THEY NEED ALL THAT THEY CAN GET! The Standard AR went from 34 to 30, Advance from 35 to 31.5, and the Prototype from 37.5 to 33 which is about a 12% decrease overall. Also the proficiency only applies additional damage to shields only meaning this gun cannot eat though armor as easy now. They also implied that the gun's weakness would be noticeable now. Also notice that they did not touch the officer weapons, so they will surly go up in price. So for those QQ'ing about the AR being OP here you go. The Standard SCR went from 72 to 65, Advance from 75.6 to 68.25, and the Prototype from 79.2 to 71.5 which was about a 10% decrease overall. As stated in the AR, the SCR's proficiency would only see an increase damage output to shields only meaning this gun may not be the ideal gun to kill armor heavy users now. For people QQ'ing that the SCR was OP here YOU go. It was obvious that the CR and the RR would see nerfs across the board so there's no need to explain damage out put however their proficiency allows them to do more damage to armor. Yes the RR is now effective to armor. Hell I am level 5 with level 3 proficiency in the CR and I would admit that the damned CR is powerful. Hell stack 2 complex damage modifiers on using a prototype RR and you will kill the everything. Which brings up the next thing they did They decrease the bonus to Damage modifiers but only on the advance and prototype variants. Advance went from 5% to 4% and the prototype went from 10% to 5% (damn a 50% decrease in bonus ). MASS DRIVERS ARE BACK WITH AN INCREASE IN DAMAGE AND SPLASH! So for people who loved using this beast of a weapon now it will be your chance to relive that moment. But wait a minute, Minmatar weaponry received a buff? The new Magsec SMG will be the new SMG to run now. Hell I can see people main this as a light weapon since it can out do the AR in just about everything now and the proficiency gives bonus damage to armor. Look CCP if you nerf one SMG you might as well do it for the other. I am only saying this because the regular SMG did nothing to deserve a nerf. Nerfed everything??? Where is that HMG nerf? Did I miss it??????????????????? If "everything" is getting nerfed, please tell me why I have yet to find any HMG nerfs? I tried the STD HMG and wow... this might be bad if the HMG stays the same while everything else becomes weaker. Heavy 514??? I'm just flat out worried about these changes because with CCP, the more changed = the more problems. Nerfing/buffing has never really been their strong point Please be good update... please be good. Good catch non the HMG I will edit my post ASAP. I hope to lord Jesus Christ that 1.8 will be at least decent. With this Devblog my hopes are going down the river...
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 145	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:51:00 - [7] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: rubs his temples I don't know how many times I'm going to have to tell people to stop overreacting. I mean, why the Hell is most of the playerbase drama queens? I am not overreacting, I'm just giving my thoughts. When 1.8 touchdown, then the B**hing will start if something is noticeable. claps hands together and rest chin on them* As of why the player base, you cannot please everyone. That is my only answer to the drama queen question. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 839	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:52:00 - [8] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Dj grammer wrote: For those who have yet to see the following changes, you really need to check them out. When CCP LogiBro said he would nerf the everything, he meant that they would NERF THE EVERYTHING with the exception of the Mass Driver. Here's the breakdown/ site to look at the following changes.Here is another giving changes to other guns and stuff as well. THE SMG DID NOT DESERVED NOR NEEDED A DECREASE IN DAMAGE! People can only carry 2 grenades. An indirect nerf to Anti-vehicle grenades which THEY NEED ALL THAT THEY CAN GET! The Standard AR went from 34 to 30, Advance from 35 to 31.5, and the Prototype from 37.5 to 33 which is about a 12% decrease overall. Also the proficiency only applies additional damage to shields only meaning this gun cannot eat though armor as easy now. They also implied that the gun's weakness would be noticeable now. Also notice that they did not touch the officer weapons, so they will surly go up in price. So for those QQ'ing about the AR being OP here you go. The Standard SCR went from 72 to 65, Advance from 75.6 to 68.25, and the Prototype from 79.2 to 71.5 which was about a 10% decrease overall. As stated in the AR, the SCR's proficiency would only see an increase damage output to shields only meaning this gun may not be the ideal gun to kill armor heavy users now. For people QQ'ing that the SCR was OP here YOU go. It was obvious that the CR and the RR would see nerfs across the board so there's no need to explain damage out put however their proficiency allows them to do more damage to armor. Yes the RR is now effective to armor. Hell I am level 5 with level 3 proficiency in the CR and I would admit that the damned CR is powerful. Hell stack 2 complex damage modifiers on using a prototype RR and you will kill the everything. Which brings up the next thing they did They decrease the bonus to Damage modifiers but only on the advance and prototype variants. Advance went from 5% to 4% and the prototype went from 10% to 5% (damn a 50% decrease in bonus ). MASS DRIVERS ARE BACK WITH AN INCREASE IN DAMAGE AND SPLASH! So for people who loved using this beast of a weapon now it will be your chance to relive that moment. But wait a minute, Minmatar weaponry received a buff? The new Magsec SMG will be the new SMG to run now. Hell I can see people main this as a light weapon since it can out do the AR in just about everything now and the proficiency gives bonus damage to armor. Look CCP if you nerf one SMG you might as well do it for the other. I am only saying this because the regular SMG did nothing to deserve a nerf. Nerfed everything??? Where is that HMG nerf? Did I miss it??????????????????? If "everything" is getting nerfed, please tell me why I have yet to find any HMG nerfs? I tried the STD HMG and wow... this might be bad if the HMG stays the same while everything else becomes weaker. Heavy 514??? I'm just flat out worried about these changes because with CCP, the more changed = the more problems. Nerfing/buffing has never really been their strong point Please be good update... please be good. Good catch non the HMG I will edit my post ASAP. I hope to lord Jesus Christ that 1.8 will be at least decent. Laser buffed. Lots of other things are left as they are - shotgun, sniper rifle, forge gun, swarms, ScP, flaylock etc.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1248	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:57:00 - [9] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: rubs his temples I don't know how many times I'm going to have to tell people to stop overreacting. I mean, why the Hell is most of the playerbase drama queens? I am not overreacting, I'm just giving my thoughts. When 1.8 touchdown, then the B**hing will start if something is noticeable. claps hands together and rest chin on them* As of why the player base, you cannot please everyone. That is my only answer to the drama queen question. >.> I was actually referring to OP but then your post kinda works in there too lol. It's kinda dramatic tho but I mean you're pretty mellow compared to others and the OP. You can't please everyone but damn if the majority has to QQ like a toddler who just scrapped their knee. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 95	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:58:00 - [10] - Quote Jesus, what is with the wall of text? If you have a message to CCP make your own thread, instead of hijacking everyone else's. I am aware of all the dev changes outlined in the blog. All I was saying, (the important part) was that we give new players to this game a starter fit, with one shield extender (or if your caldari, 2 now worthless damage mods), an AR (the one weapon that probably didnGÇÖt need a nerf at all) and say good luck with your 300 eHP against 800 - 1200 eHP vets. It will be a wholesale slaughter and I sincerely hope the NEXT update (NOT 4 months away, 3 weeks away) needs to be extend the battle academy, make tutorials much deeper. Someone had a great idea that before you grad, you had to hack a point, drop equipment, rezz a teammate, deploy a vehicle. All these other things too.

Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 145	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:00:00 - [11] - Quote Aszazel wrote: Jesus, what is with the wall of text? If you have a message to CCP make your own thread, instead of hijacking everyone else's. I am aware of all the dev changes outlined in the blog. All I was saying, (the important part) was that we give new players to this game a starter fit, with one shield extender (or if your caldari, 2 now worthless damage mods), an AR (the one weapon that probably didnGÇÖt need a nerf at all) and say good luck with your 300 eHP against 800 - 1200 eHP vets. It will be a wholesale slaughter and I sincerely hope the NEXT update (NOT 4 months away, 3 weeks away) needs to be extend the battle academy, make tutorials much deeper. Someone had a great idea that before you grad, you had to hack a point, drop equipment, rezz a teammate, deploy a vehicle. All these other things too. Sorry about that man, I missed the whole main idea of your post. Sorry about that. I agree with your points, the starter fits are now weaker when 1.8 hits. We cannot confirm this until 1.8 drops. I also agree that the academy needs to keep new players with them longer. And dear god give a deeper insight to the tutorials. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 95	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:02:00 - [12] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: Sorry about that man, I missed the whole main idea of your post. Sorry about that. I agree with your points, the starter fits are now weaker when 1.8 hits. We cannot confirm this until 1.8 drops. I also agree that the academy needs to keep new players with them longer. And dear god give a deeper insight to the tutorials. No worries, thank you sir, that was refreshing to see.
JIMvc2 BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:04:00 - [13] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Dj grammer wrote: For those who have yet to see the following changes, you really need to check them out. When CCP LogiBro said he would nerf the everything, he meant that they would NERF THE EVERYTHING with the exception of the Mass Driver. Here's the breakdown/ site to look at the following changes.Here is another giving changes to other guns and stuff as well. THE SMG DID NOT DESERVED NOR NEEDED A DECREASE IN DAMAGE! People can only carry 2 grenades. An indirect nerf to Anti-vehicle grenades which THEY NEED ALL THAT THEY CAN GET! The Standard AR went from 34 to 30, Advance from 35 to 31.5, and the Prototype from 37.5 to 33 which is about a 12% decrease overall. Also the proficiency only applies additional damage to shields only meaning this gun cannot eat though armor as easy now. They also implied that the gun's weakness would be noticeable now. Also notice that they did not touch the officer weapons, so they will surly go up in price. So for those QQ'ing about the AR being OP here you go. The Standard SCR went from 72 to 65, Advance from 75.6 to 68.25, and the Prototype from 79.2 to 71.5 which was about a 10% decrease overall. As stated in the AR, the SCR's proficiency would only see an increase damage output to shields only meaning this gun may not be the ideal gun to kill armor heavy users now. For people QQ'ing that the SCR was OP here YOU go. It was obvious that the CR and the RR would see nerfs across the board so there's no need to explain damage out put however their proficiency allows them to do more damage to armor. Yes the RR is now effective to armor. Hell I am level 5 with level 3 proficiency in the CR and I would admit that the damned CR is powerful. Hell stack 2 complex damage modifiers on using a prototype RR and you will kill the everything. Which brings up the next thing they did They decrease the bonus to Damage modifiers but only on the advance and prototype variants. Advance went from 5% to 4% and the prototype went from 10% to 5% (damn a 50% decrease in bonus ). MASS DRIVERS ARE BACK WITH AN INCREASE IN DAMAGE AND SPLASH! So for people who loved using this beast of a weapon now it will be your chance to relive that moment. But wait a minute, Minmatar weaponry received a buff? The new Magsec SMG will be the new SMG to run now. Hell I can see people main this as a light weapon since it can out do the AR in just about everything now and the proficiency gives bonus damage to armor. Look CCP if you nerf one SMG you might as well do it for the other. I am only saying this because the regular SMG did nothing to deserve a nerf. Nerfed everything??? Where is that HMG nerf? Did I miss it??????????????????? If "everything" is getting nerfed, please tell me why I have yet to find any HMG nerfs? I tried the STD HMG and wow... this might be bad if the HMG stays the same while everything else becomes weaker. Heavy 514??? I'm just flat out worried about these changes because with CCP, the more changed = the more problems. Nerfing/buffing has never really been their strong point Please be good update... please be good. Heck yea Im glad my HMG isnt going to be nerfed. Now I can get my full revenge on those Combate Aim bot try hard Son of a gun n00b rile SVER n00bs.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 146	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:35:00 - [14] - Quote For now, let us chill out and let things play out Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 88	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:38:00 - [15] - Quote If you think about it, they don't need to care about new players... Everyone who's ever going to play the game has set up an account and quit... These people now have a crap ton of SP to spend thanks to it just gathering over time... This means that all they need to do is entice these players back to the game, so they can buy into proto gear... The problem is really solving itself... Slowly.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 146	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:41:00 - [16] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: If you think about it, they don't need to care about new players... Everyone who's ever going to play the game has set up an account and quit... These people now have a crap ton of SP to spend thanks to it just gathering over time... This means that all they need to do is entice these players back to the game, so they can buy into proto gear... The problem is really solving itself... Slowly. Correct. The #1 problem, besides these new player complaining about getting stomped, is not having enough SP to spend to getting that suit they want. As said before let things play out. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Have been a Logistics user since Uprising 1.0. Yea that old.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12023	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:43:00 - [17] - Quote At least if they don't respec us I'll have the Flavor of the Game all skilled up Sentinel? Check. HMG? Check Forge Gun? Check Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1386	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:44:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: At least if they don't respec us I'll have the Flavor of the Game all skilled up Sentinel? Check. HMG? Check Forge Gun? Check Poor, poor, cynical fool. You're dead on. Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...


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