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Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2510	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:06:00 - [1] - Quote "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the prof skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 712	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:15:00 - [2] - Quote Well spotted. It would be interesting to have a clarification on this point.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2517	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:46:00 - [3] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Well spotted. It would be interesting to have a clarification on this point. Yup, just waiting on CCP for this. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 5138	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:49:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the proficiency skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... Sure, why not? Go along great with it's reduction to dispersion on the Gallente Assault /sarcasm Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1235	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:49:00 - [5] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the proficiency skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... Well considering how many players have been QQing about damage, and how it feels that a shotgun needs three shots to kill me, a damage bonus might be better than a RoF bonus. But that's me tho. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 337	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:53:00 - [6] - Quote That might just be their generic list that they keep on the clipboard? Also, they need to at least reword the Shotgun Prof. skill, iirc, because its worded in a completely asinine fashion. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2521	Posted - 2014.03.05 14:06:00 - [7] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: That might just be their generic list that they keep on the clipboard? Also, they need to at least reword the Shotgun Prof. skill, iirc, because its worded in a completely asinine fashion. True, it could be a mistake. @Roy, I'd rather put more rounds in someone quicker. Most shields don't go over 500 anyway. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2522	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:28:00 - [8] - Quote CCP? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 643	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:29:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the proficiency skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... Noticed the same and made a comment in the devblog thread...this is an interesting change I am still not sure if this change is good or not....
Aszazel R 0 N 1 N 95	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:50:00 - [10] - Quote eh, buff the shotgun; don't. Take away damage mods; Make the millions we have spent on prof V useless. But I am telling you this, we better be looking at a suit AND weapon respec with these massive changes. It's no longer introducing a couple new weapons, its vastly changing everything, which is fine, but COME'ON. The only way a scout is going to be able to kill a heavy now (cloak or no) will be with knives. So everything I have put into GNinja and shotties better allow me to go Mninja and knives. Used to be I could flux and shoot if I had the drop, but taking away those too huh, well played.

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2522	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:51:00 - [11] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the proficiency skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... Noticed the same and made a comment in the devblog thread...this is an interesting change I am still not sure if this change is good or not.... Yeah, I'd like a conformation on this. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 518	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:52:00 - [12] - Quote I remember all the times when CCP gave out respecs when they change tons of **** in EVE. Oh wait, that never happened. HTFU DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 169	Posted - 2014.03.05 15:58:00 - [13] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I remember all the times when CCP gave out respecs when they change tons of **** in EVE. Oh wait, that never happened. HTFU Yeah, thats a lame a55 way to extend your game - dont bring more content, change existing and force people to grind to get what they wanted in the first place. Great formula "Shine bright like a diamond"
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2522	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:01:00 - [14] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: I remember all the times when CCP gave out respecs when they change tons of **** in EVE. Oh wait, that never happened. HTFU Who said anything about a respec? I wanna know of the skill is being changed. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 845	Posted - 2014.03.05 16:38:00 - [15] - Quote Aszazel started a half hearted whine about wanting weapon respecs, post #10. I'd be happier with a damage buff to shotguns than RoF. If I'm doing my job, I've surprised you with the first hit, and plugged you a second time already before you can respond. Plus, in an extended firefight, high RoF just means I blow through my small clip faster and need to reload. More stopping power on the front end (shields) might make those engagements end sooner. Either way, no need for a respec. I'll have Prof V no matter what it does.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2522	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:27:00 - [16] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: Aszazel started a half hearted whine about wanting weapon respecs, post #10. I'd be happier with a damage buff to shotguns than RoF. If I'm doing my job, I've surprised you with the first hit, and plugged you a second time already before you can respond. Plus, in an extended firefight, high RoF just means I blow through my small clip faster and need to reload. More stopping power on the front end (shields) might make those engagements end sooner. Either way, no need for a respec. I'll have Prof V no matter what it does. And I'll stick with my shotty, but I use the RoF to engage a group of guys from the back(teehee) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ivan Avogadro Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 848	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:51:00 - [17] - Quote I will say I have 5 mil ISK running on this. I bet my corpmate that this was a real change to Proficiency with all weapons. He said it's a typo, CCP probably grabbed a table of light weapons and plugged it into the blog without proofing. So I would like a Dev to settle the score please. Is this Shotgun Proficiency damage now, or is it still RoF? Daddy needs a new pair of Pythons.
Lightning xVx R 0 N 1 N 399	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:03:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the proficiency skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... Dear, God what have they done to my K5 now!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2524	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:06:00 - [19] - Quote Ivan Avogadro wrote: I will say I have 5 mil ISK running on this. I bet my corpmate that this was a real change to Proficiency with all weapons. He said it's a typo, CCP probably grabbed a table of light weapons and plugged it into the blog without proofing. So I would like a Dev to settle the score please. Is this Shotgun Proficiency damage now, or is it still RoF? Daddy needs a new pair of Pythons. XD "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 324	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:36:00 - [20] - Quote Why are they nerfing the shotgun?

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2530	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:44:00 - [21] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Why are they nerfing the shotgun? Well, it wouldn't be a nerf...just a change...a un-welcomed one. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2530	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:33:00 - [22] - Quote Guess no conformation till patch notes... "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Eric Del Carlo 0uter.Heaven 54	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:03:00 - [23] - Quote Wait could someone please enlighten me on how changing the proficiency bonus on the shotgun from RoF to increased shield damage would be a bad thing? I've been a long time user of the shotgun and have it at proficiency III, but I find that it's bonus is lacking. Wouldn't the change to a damage bonus be better? Meh...
DTOracle BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 235	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:26:00 - [24] - Quote Eric Del Carlo wrote: Wait could someone please enlighten me on how changing the proficiency bonus on the shotgun from RoF to increased shield damage would be a bad thing? I've been a long time user of the shotgun and have it at proficiency III, but I find that it's bonus is lacking. Wouldn't the change to a damage bonus be better? I also feel this way. The shotty never had any passive damage bonus, so it's effectiveness against armor isn't changing. & with the damage mod nerf, we're likely to see alot more shield tanking, so the added alpha damage would certainly be nice. Especially if you need to defend yourself & your just outside of optimal range of the shotgun.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 273	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:31:00 - [25] - Quote I'm not going to complain until I've tried it. It looks like a lateral move to me, with an overall buff in comparison to other weapons. RoF is nice, but I like the idea of potentially needing one less shot instead.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 356	Posted - 2014.03.06 01:49:00 - [26] - Quote Prof 5 and and yes the ROF make a difference on those fat heavies. War never changes
Medical Crash CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY 215	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:07:00 - [27] - Quote I hope to my Amarian god that one day CCP does something to sh*tguns, I mean shotguns, damage buff, faster aiming, SOMETHING.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 146	Posted - 2014.03.06 02:21:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: "The second change we made is to the weapon proficiency skills. At the moment, they give a flat bonus to damage with a specific weapon. With Uprising 1.8 these bonuses are being changed, and will only give a bonus to attacking either shields or armor. This applies to all weapons other than the Nova Knife (which retains the damage bonus). HereGÇÖs the breakdown of the new bonuses: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol" Does that mean the proficiency skill will be changed from a RoF bonus to a dmg bonus? Also, please don't do that CCP...please... It was pretty hard to tell how fast the shotgun was in the first place... and we're getting more damage...why is that bad? I could understand how you would like fast ROF but more damage is just as good, you can kill a heavy in less shots...well now it'll be more shots anyway so..yea. "One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
Hagintora Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 280	Posted - 2014.03.06 03:01:00 - [29] - Quote My main concern is the time inbetween shots. Yes that high alpha is nice, but unless it drops them OHK style you probably won't get another shot off before they start shooting back. Even if the increased TTK adds another second to the life span of a Scout, it's still only 1.5 seconds to fire off that second shot. You guys might be right, and we could be worrying over nothing, but I'm having a hard time seeing how a slightly increased alpha will make for the loss of DPS brought on by the reduced ROF. The Shotgun needs to hit hard AND fast due to it's ridiculously short range, Take away one of those and you severely decrease it's usefulness.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2722	Posted - 2014.03.18 17:59:00 - [30] - Quote Hehe, I knew it. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire



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