1. Scaling between STD, ADV, and PRO tiers does not at all match with drop suits, which is necessary with alpha damage weapons

Why yes, my ScR should have a damage buff at proto!

Sorry.

On topic, I quite like the changes you proposed; they're pretty benign.

Would another metre be that useful? I mean, isn't that basically melee range still? I would be comfortable with tacking on a metre to SG base range too.


I hear there are issues with the hit detection too, in the sense that if there are two people in your reticle it'll hit the one who's nearer. Even if he's only in the way of one pellet. (Aside from other hit detection issues? Do they still exist? I know they were doing a bunch of work on that a while back)

Why yes, my ScR should have a damage buff at proto!

Sorry.

On topic, I quite like the changes you proposed; they're pretty benign.

Would another metre be that useful? I mean, isn't that basically melee range still? I would be comfortable with tacking on a metre to SG base range too.


I hear there are issues with the hit detection too, in the sense that if there are two people in your reticle it'll hit the one who's nearer. Even if he's only in the way of one pellet. (Aside from other hit detection issues? Do they still exist? I know they were doing a bunch of work on that a while back)

Why yes, my ScR should have a damage buff at proto!

Sorry.

On topic, I quite like the changes you proposed; they're pretty benign.

Would another metre be that useful? I mean, isn't that basically melee range still? I would be comfortable with tacking on a metre to SG base range too.


I hear there are issues with the hit detection too, in the sense that if there are two people in your reticle it'll hit the one who's nearer. Even if he's only in the way of one pellet. (Aside from other hit detection issues? Do they still exist? I know they were doing a bunch of work on that a while back)

3. The accuracy on the shotgun is deceptive-it requires the reticle to actually be centered for damage to apply, especially at higher levels. Its dispersion, pinpoint accuracy, and false reticle make it more difficult to use in CQC than an AR

Here's a conservative shotgun buff for you:

NO FREE HANDOUTS! PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS! CUT MERC WELFARE FROM THE BUDGET! THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX SHOTGUN!

Okay, seriously now...



I've always suspected this, but never properly tested it. This was the exact same issue that HMG had before they fixed it. I wonder if the same fix could be applied to shotguns, which is actually to reduce their accuracy by a ton?

The accuracy issue is only an issue the farther you skill into it. At Op V, about 20% of the reticle does not actually contain shotgun pellets

Some times my shotgun works amazingly and ill get like 10 kills in a row, then next match it takes an entire mag and I dont even scratch the person im shooting. I do thing a wider spread with slightly stronger pelletes would help.

Shotguns and Fine Rifles currently share comparable DPS profiles. If Fine Rifles are nerfed (in addressing TTK problems) and/or rendered less effective at spraying, the need to buff Shotguns may become less necessary.

The same goes for certain (arguably warranted) mechanical changes. For example, a reduction in backpedal speed would likely make a shotgun buff less necessary.

In the mean time, I disagree with the approach proposed by OP. Shotgun optimal range (< 5 meters) is insufficient. Optimal and Effective range should be improved, but not as part of a trade / deal. I do agree with OP that the the Uprising Shotgun needs work. It simply doesn't feel like a Shotgun.

Shotguns and Fine Rifles currently share comparable DPS profiles. If Fine Rifles are nerfed (in addressing TTK problems) and/or rendered less effective at spraying, the need to buff Shotguns may become less necessary.

The same goes for certain (arguably warranted) mechanical changes. For example, a reduction in backpedal speed would likely make a shotgun buff less necessary.

In the mean time, I disagree with the approach proposed by OP. Shotgun optimal range (< 5 meters) is insufficient. Optimal and Effective range should be improved, but not as part of a trade / deal. I do agree with OP that the the Uprising Shotgun needs work. It simply doesn't feel like a Shotgun.

Would a pinpoint reticle be useful in the meantime?

Like the Railgun's one, I mean.

They do, but they are rather inconsistent, and are a LOT better than what used to happen. Also, yeah, another meter would not be a poor addition.

Off topic-i find it kind of absurd that the ScR does more alpha than the SG, and has over 10x the range, and can be spammed in CQC (albeit with an overheat mechanic)

Hmm?

40 dmg*10 Pellets=400 Damage.

ScR does higher alpha?

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

Here's a conservative shotgun buff for you:

NO FREE HANDOUTS! PULL YOURSELF UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS! CUT MERC WELFARE FROM THE BUDGET! THE FREE MARKET WILL FIX SHOTGUN!

Okay, seriously now...



I've always suspected this, but never properly tested it. This was the exact same issue that HMG had before they fixed it. I wonder if the same fix could be applied to shotguns, which is actually to reduce their accuracy by a ton?

Currently, tha problems wit tha shotgun is as bigs up-
1. Right back up in yo muthafuckin ass. Scalin between STD, ADV, n' PRO tiers do not at all match wit drop suits, which is necessary wit alpha damage weapons
2. Da **** skanky range make it capable of bein straight-up avoid by 1-2 bunny hops from point blank range, renderin it useless on phat playas whoz ass have enough HP ta survive tha initial blast
3. Da accuracy on tha shotgun is deceptive-it requires tha reticle ta straight-up be centered fo' damage ta apply, especially at higher levels. Its dispersion, pinpoint accuracy, n' false reticle make it mo' hard as **** ta use up in CQC than a AR

Proposed buff- Simple
First, chizzle ta spread ta straight-up fill tha reticule, n' include tha reticle lines theyselves bein full

Then, chizzle ta operation skill ta +5% effectizzle n' optimal range per level.
While dis chizzle may initially seem supa OP, its not fo' realz. At level 5 operation, tha effectizzle range of tha shotgun is only 5 meters, n' wit tha loss of spread reduction, shotgun snipin aint gonna be viable, as fewer shots will hit

Finally, chizzle tha damage output on tha ADV n' PRO shotguns ta 44 n' 48 respectively, fo' mo' betta scaling.

Now, instead of increasin tha shotguns cappin' potential by a lot, these chizzlez simply broaden its niche

Currently, the problems with the shotgun are as follows-
1. Scaling between STD, ADV, and PRO tiers does not at all match with drop suits, which is necessary with alpha damage weapons

the damage scaling is low due to the damage being per pellet withn the shot.

so the shot gun does around 8 pellets within the shot from what i have seen. and each pellet is about 40 odd damge. so the shot gun has slight increase per pellet and when you combine that number times 8. its pretty stagering. especially at proto where its 42-44 damge a pellet i think. so that times 8 is enough to 2-3 shot and proto heavy. so no. the damage scaling isnt bad.

so you have roughly 8 pellets withn the shot and roughly an 8 shot clip. no that is **** ton of damage stacked in the nicley and apropitley named shotgun.

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What deal was i offering? i didn't think i was offering a deal of some sortGǪ

Fine rifles?