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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:12:00 -
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It's pointless playing against good players...
half shotted by everything even with 350 ehp
scanned even with damps
heavies just turn around and kill me in .oooo1 seconds
its costs 47k isk.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3764
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:16:00 -
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I do just fine in my Gallente Scout...in good games usually go around 28/2 in bad games more like 16/5.
Idk what to say brosef...scout harder?
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:20:00 -
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You have to sink a lot of SP into a Scout.
The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
533
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:23:00 -
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Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun.
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
ISK Milkshakes for all! (Except the pubbers)
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:24:00 -
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If I could do it over again, I'd have picked Minmitar scout over Gallente. I choose Gallente to have the more low slots so I could stack more kin kats and cardio regulators and that fit is awesome, I can run forever, but I can only have 1 complex shield enhancer.
So here is the deal, be patient, get scout suit to level 4, and profile dampening to level 3 and you will not show up to advanced scanners and vehicles. Proto will still get you, but if you get scanned but a proto scanner (35K to bring into battle), itGÇÖs usually run with a proto fit + a proto squad and you should be outrunning them.
Don't run proto or even advanced once you get to suit 4 cause its just a waste of money, standard can equip 2 enhanced shield extenders and a enhanced kin kat if you get your suit electronics up to 4. Your mass run suit should cost like, 9 -12K. I'd run with a combat rifle and knives if I could do it over again (I use shotgun and pistol). But your suit bonus is awesome. Equip basic CR and advanced knives (they are cheap to fit and cost even at advanced level).
The greatest thing about the minmitar is once you get the tactics down, you can ultimately equip THREE complex shield extenders and use the low slots for speed. Your stamina will be crap but you can outrun almost all other scouts and have more shields then all of them too.
Watch this video of Cyrius Li Moody if you donGÇÖt think the Mninja is a more powerful scout than the Gninja.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv3tT4TcJoE
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
507
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:24:00 -
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Yeah eHP shouldn't be so much of a factor if you are playing smart. You're not an assault, you shouldn't be going head to head with anyone other than other scouts.
Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10
Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome
Roll with the punches instead of QQing
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
89
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:29:00 -
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Come 1.8 everything is going to change for the scout too, and there is whispering talk about a possible respec. But if one does come, I'd be real careful about respending those points into another suit before I weigh everything. I might be creating another account, to create more alts (cause my main account has three toons, none of whom I want to biomass) just to put some points into each of the new suits and see which I would want to respec into.
I know the Mninja is going to be losing the dampening, but gaining hack bonus. And the caldari will be getting ultimately 4 high slots, choose wisely. |
Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
140
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:29:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun.
The Power of the CreoDron is one that shouldn't be trifled with by heavies XD.
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3765
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:33:00 -
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I want my Amarr Scout...1.8 HURRY UP DAMMIT!!!!!!!
I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
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Bormir1r
WarRavens
League of Infamy
140
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:34:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:Come 1.8 everything is going to change for the scout too, and there is whispering talk about a possible respec. But if one does come, I'd be real careful about respending those points into another suit before I weigh everything. I might be creating another account, to create more alts (cause my main account has three toons, none of whom I want to biomass) just to put some points into each of the new suits and see which I would want to respec into.
I know the Mninja is going to be losing the dampening, but gaining hack bonus. And the caldari will be getting ultimately 4 high slots, choose wisely.
Even though the Minmatar scout is losing the dampening bonus, all the scouts are getting their base profile dropped to 35 which if you include the dampning skill bonus, the minja will have about a 32 ish base profile without dampnening mods, that's about 3 pts higher than it currently is now and considering that scanners are getting nerfed to hell....we should be fine.
Proof:
http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg
"One does not simply" look for a scout, it looks for you.
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Jebus McKing
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
318
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:47:00 -
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standard Min Scout suit
1x militia shield extender BPO
1x militia dampener (dampening lvl 5, scout lvl 5 => never get scanned)
1x enhanced kincat
standard CR (Prof 5)
adv Nova Knife
Flux Grenades
REs
total HP ~230
~13k ISK
Never managed to go negative in this suit. You have to pick your fights though.
Skills (SP) > gear. Get your skills up asap (dampening, scout skill, shield and armor skills, weapon skills), and use a cheaper suit if you die too much. Never engage head on. If they see you, run away. Also, play like an *******! There is no honor amongst this community.
@JebusMcKing // TIERICIDE, just do it, CCP.
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Dogs of War Gaming
Zero-Day
916
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:48:00 -
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The great thing about a scout is that it has a lot of passive skills so you can get similar effects on a basic over the more advanced.
My current throw around fit is:
Scout M-1
CR
ZN-28's
Whatever junk I have in H slot - currently Mlt Dam Mod
Mlt Dampener
Mlt Card Reg
Basic RE / Uplink
Costs around 9k. Is as dampened as a Min scout can get. Can still deal with heavies (RE's / NK) and even take on tanks when called for. Its a good little earner.
When all said and done if your dying that fast you may as well use a cheap suit but be move more cautiously.
"...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
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Onesimus Tarsus
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
EoN.
1347
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:51:00 -
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Bormir1r wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun. The Power of the CreoDron is one that shouldn't be trifled with by heavies XD.
Don't listen to this. This is a heavy hoping to GOD you stay in your scout suit for just one more match.
Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
222
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Posted - 2014.03.04 17:53:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun.
Yeah except when i try to SG them, they turn around in a sec and kill me. Also, I play smart but I can't always keep track of were 16 people are and often get cornerd..
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
802
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:04:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun.
I soloed a full proto heave and some logi with my standard G-scout (no HP mods) and MLT shotgun.
Scout Tactician
Dance puppets, DANCE!
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Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
222
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:07:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun. I soloed a full proto heave and some logi with my standard G-scout (no HP mods) and MLT shotgun.
I have done that too except my enemies aren't stupid and they turn around and take a dump on me.
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
537
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:45:00 -
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Awareness is key for a scout. You need to flank and flank wide enough to catch any folks spawning in behind the enemy, and take out uplinks as you go to prevent further spawns (a good chunk of my deaths as a scout are from folks spawning in on me...)
To be fair, i run CBR scout mainly, so its a bit easier than shotty or nova knifes cause you dont have to cross as many potential sight lines to get a good shot. But, you also dont insta kill as quickly.
Also, as our non scout brothers know... PASSIVE SCANNING IS POINTLESS. DO NOT INVEST IN PASSIVE SCANNING AND PUT ON COMPLEX MODS. THIS DOES NOT HELP AND IS SILLY. THE ABILITY TO TRACK ALL NON SCOUTS 50-80 METERS OUT AT ALL TIMES IS NOT USEFUL. *wink wink*
Even with all this, there are some matches i simply cant scout effectively. In some matches, a solid squad who keeps watching their back means I can either throw k/d out the window or play cheap and only hit targets that are isolated (the latter is not helpful to the team much). So, I will occasionally switch to logi or heavy in those cases.
And I also find scout to be highly streaky. I will get 12 kill streaks but have a 2-3 death streak because I spawned in too close to combat and was seen instantly. You need to also be careful to maybe spawn that extra 100-200m out of combat to make sure you can get a good, wide, safe approach. |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
819
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Posted - 2014.03.04 18:52:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just play smarter. HP isn't a problem if you can get behind your opponent. Most Heavies can be soloed with Shotguns too, I have similar HP values and I can solo anything but a Proto Heavy with my Shotgun. Yeah except when i try to SG them, they turn around in a sec and kill me. Also, I play smart but I can't always keep track of were 16 people are and often get cornerd..
Upgrade precision to 1, and range to 5 asap. That 10% bomus doesn't help you as much as Gallente, but Dayum, you get some range with it.
Mine's at 3 and i passively scan everything attempting to enter those mini-slot things which hold hack points.
Throw 1 range extender and you are passively scanning the whole building.
My typical pub fit is:
M/1 series scout:
1 complex shield extender
1 enh dmg mod
Cr/shotty
Nk/smg
Kincat/range amp
Basic dampener
Remote explosive
Flux grenade
Try running that, i typically die maybe 3x, and it costs about 39-50k
No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ
Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's.
No i don't buy AUR
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2165
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:02:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:It's pointless playing against good players...
half shotted by everything even with 350 ehp
scanned even with damps
heavies just turn around and kill me in .oooo1 seconds
its costs 47k isk.
I run both Gal and Min
Gal is way easier, but I do better with my Min most of the time.
I gave up on ehp and went for regen and hitting hard. Get your db below 35 (lvl 4 scout and lvl 3 Damp), and get your passive range to at least lvl3
Changes everything.
If you get scanned after that you could switch to a dampened fit, or you could accept that they really want to find you and GTFO or set a trap  Most often you will see them coming with a bit of passive range.
Taking on heavies is not easy, but being prepared for high hp suits is important, (i like Flux coupled with armour damaging weapons)
Know your maps, know the entry points.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2165
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:07:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I do just fine in my Gallente Scout...in good games usually go around 28/2 in bad games more like 16/5.
Idk what to say brosef...scout harder?
Gal scout is very different from Min scout.
You can fit it out pretty easily (comparatively) passive radar bonus is massively useful, they have a sturdier base to build from. current meta also places armour > shields.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Asher Night
Dark Tengu
494
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:20:00 -
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Send me a message in game. We are both scouts, and I believe I may be able to help you.
The scout is definitely the 'Hard mode' of Dust 514, but even hard modes have strategies to make them easier. Take care.
100% Tactical Scout Corporation
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
IMMORTAL REGIME
961
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:22:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:It's pointless playing against good players...
half shotted by everything even with 350 ehp
scanned even with damps
heavies just turn around and kill me in .oooo1 seconds
its costs 47k isk.
100k isk lost but i'm not crying, going 24/2 is something to feel proud in a scout suit in ambush, and you gotta change things round to get the advantage. Prepare yourself for the worse, i remember i was in you're stage but now i have reached beyond.
Assassination is my thing.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
7155
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Posted - 2014.03.04 19:48:00 -
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I was in your position when I first started except I strictly use nova knives. Hell, even my smg is only meant to scare off anyone approaching. After doing this for well over a year since closed beta I have gotten proficient at killing my targets with very little issue. The only issue I have now to deal with is the tunnel vision.
Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer
Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
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