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Zekain K
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.03.03 06:45:00 -
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My first three flight attempts were not positive.
Attempt number one: i take off and an rdv a pawns inside me.
Attempt number two: I take off, and manage to fly around for a bit, I even snagged my first kill with it. But then I disconnect.
Attempt number 3: I take off and manage stay alive for a while. I harassed a SOMA for a bit while getting feel for the thing. My mods were running low so I decide to loop around the map for them to recharge. Then I suddenly switch to the over view map, and crash into a mountain. A few seconds later I disconnect as if the game tried to rub salt on my wound.
Not too sure if I want to fly again.
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
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Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
527
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Posted - 2014.03.03 06:56:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:
Attempt number one: i take off and an rdv a pawns inside me.
You should probably get tested, just to be safe.
I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work.
Thomas Edison
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VAHZZ
Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:09:00 -
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When you get tested, ask for Dr. Baconsoda...he'll give you a free lolipop and a very uncomfortable hug that leads to butt patting.
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! - and trolling
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Proud Sniper Scout
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ALT2 acc
201
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:14:00 -
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Zekain K wrote:My first three flight attempts were not positive.
Attempt number one: i take off and an rdv a pawns inside me.
Attempt number two: I take off, and manage to fly around for a bit, I even snagged my first kill with it. But then I disconnect.
Attempt number 3: I take off and manage stay alive for a while. I harassed a SOMA for a bit while getting feel for the thing. My mods were running low so I decide to loop around the map for them to recharge. Then I suddenly switch to the over view map, and crash into a mountain. A few seconds later I disconnect as if the game tried to rub salt on my wound.
Not too sure if I want to fly again.
PS: I skilled into the python.
Heres a hint: the python sucks and this game needs fixing
You shouldnt loae anything if you disconnect
Collision fix so you cant die ever at full hp in 1 hit
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10294
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:20:00 -
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Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here?
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7095
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:22:00 -
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It's going to take more than three attempts to master it 
Keep trying if you really want to get good at it.
Also you should also have access to the Incubus if you want to try that one out. The "Assault Dropship" skill unlocks all racial assault dropships whereas the "Gallente Assault Dropship" and "Caldari Assault Dropship" skills simply provide bonuses towards those ships.
Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare.
Amarr Victor!
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ALT2 acc
201
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:It's going to take more than three attempts to master it Keep trying if you really want to get good at it. Also you should also have access to the Incubus if you want to try that one out. The "Assault Dropship" skill unlocks all racial assault dropships whereas the "Gallente Assault Dropship" and "Caldari Assault Dropship" skills simply provide bonuses towards those ships.
The python is just bad
All shield vehicles are
Cant hit and run if I hve to hide for a minute
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
1396
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here?
you suck
Who wants some?
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7096
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Posted - 2014.03.03 07:57:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:It's going to take more than three attempts to master it Keep trying if you really want to get good at it. Also you should also have access to the Incubus if you want to try that one out. The "Assault Dropship" skill unlocks all racial assault dropships whereas the "Gallente Assault Dropship" and "Caldari Assault Dropship" skills simply provide bonuses towards those ships. The python is just bad All shield vehicles are Cant hit and run if I hve to hide for a minute
The one thing the Python does have going for it is the "Caldari Assault Dropship" skill which can increase the rate of fire of small missiles by up to 50%, which is the only useful turret on assault dropships currently. That is pretty significant if you want to take the time to master the tickier Python.
Mail me in game if interested in learning about the Amarr Empire and serving them in Faction Warfare.
Amarr Victor!
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ALT2 acc
201
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:02:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:It's going to take more than three attempts to master it Keep trying if you really want to get good at it. Also you should also have access to the Incubus if you want to try that one out. The "Assault Dropship" skill unlocks all racial assault dropships whereas the "Gallente Assault Dropship" and "Caldari Assault Dropship" skills simply provide bonuses towards those ships. The python is just bad All shield vehicles are Cant hit and run if I hve to hide for a minute The one thing the Python does have going for it is the "Caldari Assault Dropship" skill which can increase the rate of fire of small missiles by up to 50%, which is the only useful turret on assault dropships currently. That is pretty significant if you want to take the time to master the tickier Python.
My incubus does much better anyways...
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Zirzo Valcyn
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
161
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:04:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here?
if he couldn't evade the 2nd shot he wasn't all that of a pilot, just sayn
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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ALT2 acc
201
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:10:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here? if he couldn't evade the 2nd shot he wasn't all that of a pilot, just sayn
The op railguns fire too fast and you cant because of the 1.6 climb speed nerf
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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mollerz
2543
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:13:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships
You should also get this looked at.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Beld Errmon
0uter.Heaven
1415
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Posted - 2014.03.03 09:08:00 -
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I'd reinstall dust, then go and get some healing crystals have some cleansing baths and maybe a colonic, than pet some abandoned puppies, help an old lady across the road and find a WW2 war criminal for the Hague... maybe after all that the forces of the universe will align in your favor and you'll have the karmatic balance needed to survive take off.
Alright maybe thats over the top, but yeah some days as an ADS pilot it feels like you must have been puppy kicker in a previous life and the universe is out to make you pay. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1558
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Posted - 2014.03.03 10:33:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:if he couldn't evade the 2nd shot he wasn't all that of a pilot, just sayn
You have a beginners knowledge of dropships and rail tanks ROF. Just sayn.
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Rage Racer
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.03 10:59:00 -
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I like my Python. If I'm not facing a proto rail tank then there usually is enough time to activate my shield booster, get back to full health and activate the shield hardener.
I also try to stick very close to the ground and always hide behind buildings as best I can. You just have to pay attention not to smash into buildings. If you are flying at 100-200m of height you are making yourself the perfect target.
Still, at a price of 410k for each ship it is quite a challenge to stay ISK positive. |
Rage Racer
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:16:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Zirzo Valcyn wrote:if he couldn't evade the 2nd shot he wasn't all that of a pilot, just sayn You have a beginners knowledge of dropships and rail tanks ROF. Just sayn.
Why do you hover in the middle of the map with a DS that has ~3000 total HP without your hardeners on when you know perfectly well that a rail tank can kill you in 2 hits? |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1560
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:21:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:Why do you hover in the middle of the map with a DS that has ~3000 total HP without your hardeners on when you know perfectly well that a rail tank can kill you in 2 hits?
Because I needed footage of the rail gun ROF and to show, as you'll notice, that even though i was super quick to activate my module after hit one; it did no good. It totally and completely refutes arguments like the ones posted above. My hardener needed to be off so i could show you the turning on in a crisis process. Even if that was an AB It would never have activated in time.
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ALT2 acc
202
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:27:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:I like my Python. If I'm not facing a proto rail tank then there usually is enough time to activate my shield booster, get back to full health and activate the shield hardener.
I also try to stick very close to the ground and always hide behind buildings as best I can. You just have to pay attention not to smash into buildings. If you are flying at 100-200m of height you are making yourself the perfect target.
Still, at a price of 410k for each ship it is quite a challenge to stay ISK positive.
You cant be always moving, I really hate when people say "herp derp you were in 1 place you deserved to die"
What am I supposed to do, activate my hardener if I want to shoot? No...
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
843
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here?
Rdvs, shield booster not giving health when I activate it, and rail tanks. The big 3. The big 3 bullshit things that kill my dropship.
Forge gunners I can respect, as well as rail tanks that don't sit in the redline and actually come onto the battlefield.....I can respect them for not being pussies but its still far too easy for them.
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ALT2 acc
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Posted - 2014.03.03 11:56:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here? Rdvs, shield booster not giving health when I activate it, and rail tanks. The big 3. The big 3 bullshit things that kill my dropship. Forge gunners I can respect, as well as rail tanks that don't sit in the redline and actually come onto the battlefield.....I can respect them for not being pussies but its still far too easy for them.
Have you seen how easy pythons go down to forges?
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Rage Racer
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:27:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:What am I supposed to do, activate my hardener if I want to shoot? No...
Yes. Get close to an objective, activate hardener, kill stuff, and GTFO when hardeners run out. Once cooldown is over, repeat. Maybe you are... *gasp* NOT supposed to hover over an objective farming defenseless infantry without running your hardeners AND get out unharmed once someone starts shooting at you. Because, lets be honest, if it wasn't for the rail tanks and proto forgers ADS would beat the crap out of infantry at the moment. |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
1560
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:45:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote: it wasn't for the rail tanks and proto forgers ADS would beat the crap out of infantry at the moment.
So just to clarify the ADS is the top level ship this build. As a top level craft it needs powerful counters. In this build the powerful counters are the rail tank, missile tank and adv to proto forge guns. So your comment reads like this
"if the ads had all of its counters removed there would be nothing to counter it". Well duuuhhhh.
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ALT2 acc
203
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Posted - 2014.03.03 12:58:00 -
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Rage Racer wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:What am I supposed to do, activate my hardener if I want to shoot? No... Yes. Get close to an objective, activate hardener, kill stuff, and GTFO when hardeners run out. Once cooldown is over, repeat. Maybe you are... *gasp* NOT supposed to hover over an objective farming defenseless infantry without running your hardeners AND get out unharmed once someone starts shooting at you. Because, lets be honest, if it wasn't for the rail tanks and proto forgers ADS would beat the crap out of infantry at the moment.
No thanka
Im not going to spend half the match doing nothing
And defenseless my ass
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Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
158
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:08:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Zirzo Valcyn wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here? if he couldn't evade the 2nd shot he wasn't all that of a pilot, just sayn The op railguns fire too fast and you cant because of the 1.6 climb speed nerf
Plus the fact that the hit itself makes your ship slow down, and acceleration from a stop is about walking speed.
Not new, just new to you.
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ALT2 acc
203
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:17:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Zirzo Valcyn wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mine went much like this:
1: Practised a load in normal dropships, so takeoff went smoothly. Began to feel very happy with how smooth the piloting felt.
Proceeded to get hit by railtank and be smashed into a tower and die.
2: Dropship shot down from other redline in the initial moments of the match.
3: 'Friendly' tank deliberately drives into dropship and kills it as it deploys.
4: Shot down by rail tank.
5: Shot down by rail tank.
6: Destroy rail tank, another rail tank is called in and I get shot down.
7: Participate in ADS squad. We are all shot down by rail tanks.
Yeah.
EDIT: Also, an excellent ADS pilot was harassing my team the other day in Skirmish. I called in a rail tank and killed him in two shots (which took about two seconds).
Does anyone notice a theme here? if he couldn't evade the 2nd shot he wasn't all that of a pilot, just sayn The op railguns fire too fast and you cant because of the 1.6 climb speed nerf Plus the fact that the hit itself makes your ship slow down, and acceleration from a stop is about walking speed.
Ye
And btw I wont activate my hardener is there is no av resistance
I'll turn it on and get out if I know there is av
I will flee when all modules on cooldown
Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
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Rage Racer
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:48:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:So just to clarify the ADS is the top level ship this build. As a top level craft it needs powerful counters. In this build the powerful counters are the rail tank, missile tank and adv to proto forge guns. So your comment reads like this
"if the ads had all of its counters removed there would be nothing to counter it". Well duuuhhhh.
No. What I was trying to say is that you most of the time can survive getting hit by anything when you have your hardeners on and then retreat and survive. As I see it, hardeners for ADS are meant to create a window of opportunity where you have a few seconds to do whatever you like and then get out unharmed. Though it has to be balanced in a way so that you should never be killed in 2 shots with your hardeners on and where that does not apply it has to be changed.
Though what I get the feeling you want this to be like is staying and farming infantry as much as you like and when a threat to your ADS finally shows up you want to activate your modules and get away unharmed as well. And I think it should not be like that.
The infantry you kill does not have the luxury of surviving just because they had enough time to activate some modules either. You can kill most of them in 2 shots from your ADS missile turret. They lose their stuff. But when you are able to activate your hardeners after being shot at and survive, you lose nothing. Granted, their suits most of the time don't cost as much. But, as we can see from the proto-stomper debacle, balancing things by ISK is not a good way to do it anyway and there have to be some changes to this. |
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