DUST Search - Magsec vs AR

Korvin Lomont wrote:

ALT2 acc wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

ALT2 acc wrote:

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider.

Magsec wont be as effective in cqc because less fire rate and apool up btw

Well at least for the RR the slightly lower DPS and Spool up time is easily compensated by the tighter hip fire. I guess the same will be true for the MagSec. Regarding the damage type as most seem to favor armor these days the damage type is a plus for the MagSec.

Exept the magsecs does less damage and longer charge

Sure that's true but 0.05 secs really not worth to mention. But I think the tighter hipfire paired with a good sight will make the difference, may be the MagSec won't be more powerful compared to the AR but its performance will be pretty close and the MagSec is just a sidearm. So with MagSec we will have a sidearm that provides nearly the same power AND range than a primary weapon.

The last time this happens was when CCP introduced the original flaylock that was able to compete with the MD and at some point CCP realized they made a mistake and nerfed the Flaylock (ok they overnerfed the flaylock). But even this experience did not prevent them to make the same mistake again....

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The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 152	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote What is the advantage of the AR? I will forget about the AR and run with dual Magsec since it cost half and uses less CPU/PG
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1864	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:55:00 - [2] - Quote Spool time, of course. Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 152	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Spool time, of course. 0.3 sec? That is nothing. Just ask RR users. I can live with that
Patrick57 5674	Posted - 2014.03.03 02:59:00 - [4] - Quote The MagSec is semi automatic. Zatara hates me :(
Tectonic Fusion 1167	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:00:00 - [5] - Quote Dat clip size with the DPS. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 322	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:01:00 - [6] - Quote Any newly introduced weapons are OP for at least 1 update cycle. Remember the flaylock? RR nerf is imminent. I rest my case. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 152	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:02:00 - [7] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. Sorry I missed that
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1562	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:02:00 - [8] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. Semi-auto with a spool time? How does that even work? I'm confused.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 418	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:03:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. Then it's a pistol not an SMG. 32db Mad Bomber.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 768	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:05:00 - [10] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. Semi-auto with a spool time? How does that even work? I'm confused. Not really a "SMG" if it's semi-auto. Be interesting to see how this works out. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero

Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 477	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:05:00 - [11] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. Then it's a pistol not an SMG. u do realize SMG's usually have more then 1 fire mode, right .... and knowing CCP, they may have differ variants, as almost any weapon they release has at least 2 types (aside from the laser rifle) Closed Beta Vet Mordu's Trials Winner Original IMP
HUNK tm What The French Red Whines 275	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:07:00 - [12] - Quote http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/weaponsuprising18.jpg https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=145176&find=unread Losing a Madrugar = 1500K isk Destroyed by a proto forge-gun fit = 75K isk Receiving 4 hate mails = this is priceless.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9723	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:10:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. The current SMG's description says semi-automtic, but it isn't, so don't trust it. Also, this stat sheet from CCP says magsec is automatic. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7057	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:13:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. The current SMG's description says semi-automtic, but it isn't, so don't trust it. Also, this stat sheet from CCP says magsec is automatic. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 770	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:16:00 - [15] - Quote Hmm...i saw a note earlier from someone who claimed the Dev's said the MagSec operation skill would lower the spool time to increase it's CQC effectiveness. Anyone else see/heard this? "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1869	Posted - 2014.03.03 03:24:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The MagSec is semi automatic. Nope. Check the post. Fully Auto it says. Also, Slower ROF. Just did math, ROF= 666(60/.09) DPS=388 (666/6035) On the standard variant mind you... Its not going to be OP. I worry a bit about the Bolt Pistol however... ROF=150(60/.4) DPS=337.4(150/60135) High Alpha and Moderate ROF plus Long Range= A bit like the RR only in the sidearm class. Still gonna spec into it and hope they don't smash it into the ground, but Its kinda thought provoking. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
mollerz 2541	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:22:00 - [17] - Quote ah shucks. I thought the magsec looked sweet specifically because it was semi-auto. Ah well. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1833	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:28:00 - [18] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Also, Slower ROF. Just did math, ROF= 666(60/.09) DPS=388 (666/6035) On the standard variant mind you... Its not going to be OP. It might not be OP, but it makes the normal SMG completely fuggin useless. Higher DPS and 2.5x the range. WTF, CCP? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1871	Posted - 2014.03.03 04:30:00 - [19] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Also, Slower ROF. Just did math, ROF= 666(60/.09) DPS=388 (666/60*35) On the standard variant mind you... Its not going to be OP. It might not be OP, but it makes the normal SMG completely fuggin useless. Higher DPS and 2.5x the range. WTF, CCP? Whats the DPS on the Minnie SMG? Maybe the MagSec has worse dispersion? Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 629	Posted - 2014.03.03 09:01:00 - [20] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Also, Slower ROF. Just did math, ROF= 666(60/.09) DPS=388 (666/60*35) On the standard variant mind you... Its not going to be OP. It might not be OP, but it makes the normal SMG completely fuggin useless. Higher DPS and 2.5x the range. WTF, CCP? Whats the DPS on the Minnie SMG? Maybe the MagSec has worse dispersion? std SMG DPS should be 350 I expect the Magsec to have pretty tight spread just like the RR. The Magsec will make the SMG useless and will further limit the need for the AR

Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 843	Posted - 2014.03.03 09:10:00 - [21] - Quote I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider.
ALT2 acc 202	Posted - 2014.03.03 09:23:00 - [22] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider. Magsec wont be as effective in cqc because less fire rate and apool up btw Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 630	Posted - 2014.03.03 09:44:00 - [23] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider. Magsec wont be as effective in cqc because less fire rate and apool up btw Well at least for the RR the slightly lower DPS and Spool up time is easily compensated by the tighter hip fire. I guess the same will be true for the MagSec. Regarding the damage type as most seem to favor armor these days the damage type is a plus for the MagSec.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1924	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:08:00 - [24] - Quote I am going to run magsec smg with a mass driver/flaylock and a complex sidearm modifier. At proto level and a damage mod a magsec can output the damage dps as a duvolle without damage mods. For the Federation!
ALT2 acc 202	Posted - 2014.03.03 11:17:00 - [25] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider. Magsec wont be as effective in cqc because less fire rate and apool up btw Well at least for the RR the slightly lower DPS and Spool up time is easily compensated by the tighter hip fire. I guess the same will be true for the MagSec. Regarding the damage type as most seem to favor armor these days the damage type is a plus for the MagSec. Exept the magsecs does less damage and longer charge Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 632	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:24:00 - [26] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider. Magsec wont be as effective in cqc because less fire rate and apool up btw Well at least for the RR the slightly lower DPS and Spool up time is easily compensated by the tighter hip fire. I guess the same will be true for the MagSec. Regarding the damage type as most seem to favor armor these days the damage type is a plus for the MagSec. Exept the magsecs does less damage and longer charge Sure that's true but 0.05 secs really not worth to mention. But I think the tighter hipfire paired with a good sight will make the difference, may be the MagSec won't be more powerful compared to the AR but its performance will be pretty close and the MagSec is just a sidearm. So with MagSec we will have a sidearm that provides nearly the same power AND range than a primary weapon. The last time this happens was when CCP introduced the original flaylock that was able to compete with the MD and at some point CCP realized they made a mistake and nerfed the Flaylock (ok they overnerfed the flaylock). But even this experience did not prevent them to make the same mistake again....
ALT2 acc 202	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:27:00 - [27] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I think the advantage of the at will be it's damage type. 10% against shields will be important with the cal heavy and scout and min heavy. I imagine the magsec will be at a disadvantage going up against shield suits, similar to the rail rifle. Now if they buffed regulators so proper shield tanking is viable then you will see less hybrid tanked shield suits and anti shield weaponry will have more of an advantage. Not saying I'm right but its something to consider. Magsec wont be as effective in cqc because less fire rate and apool up btw Well at least for the RR the slightly lower DPS and Spool up time is easily compensated by the tighter hip fire. I guess the same will be true for the MagSec. Regarding the damage type as most seem to favor armor these days the damage type is a plus for the MagSec. Exept the magsecs does less damage and longer charge Sure that's true but 0.05 secs really not worth to mention. But I think the tighter hipfire paired with a good sight will make the difference, may be the MagSec won't be more powerful compared to the AR but its performance will be pretty close and the MagSec is just a sidearm. So with MagSec we will have a sidearm that provides nearly the same power AND range than a primary weapon. The last time this happens was when CCP introduced the original flaylock that was able to compete with the MD and at some point CCP realized they made a mistake and nerfed the Flaylock (ok they overnerfed the flaylock). But even this experience did not prevent them to make the same mistake again.... Its gunna be fine Assuming they dont remove the asmg And its a damm smg...better at closer range than an ar Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 632	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:33:00 - [28] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Its gunna be fine Assuming they dont remove the asmg And its a damm smg...better at closer range than an ar I have no problem with it being better at CQC its a SMG but the thing is it will compete withe the AR pretty close on ALL ranges AND will make the SMG pointless
ALT2 acc 203	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:35:00 - [29] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Its gunna be fine Assuming they dont remove the asmg And its a damm smg...better at closer range than an ar I have no problem with it being better at CQC its a SMG but the thing is it will compete withe the AR pretty close on ALL ranges AND will make the SMG pointless It has lower fire rate and the ar does shield damage.........and is more versatile Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 632	Posted - 2014.03.03 12:54:00 - [30] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Its gunna be fine Assuming they dont remove the asmg And its a damm smg...better at closer range than an ar I have no problem with it being better at CQC its a SMG but the thing is it will compete withe the AR pretty close on ALL ranges AND will make the SMG pointless It has lower fire rate and the ar does shield damage.........and is more versatile Lower fire rate but tighter hipfire (at least chances are good that this will be the case) so more shots will hit. Currently nearly every one is armor tanking to compensate low TTK and lack of tactical sense so the MagSec damage profile will be more of a plus than a minus. Look the std AR will still outperform the MagSec in some way but not to an extend that is justified if you compare a Sidearm to a primary weappon. And the breach AR will be clearly inferior to the MagSec. I don't say the MagSec will be better in every aspect compared to the AR BUT it will be too close for a sidearm and this is a bad concept that further devalues the AR as primary weapon. The Ar is currently the worst of all Assault rifles and now even a Sidearm will be a severe competitor...CCP could as well removes the AR from the game (alongside with some other weapons that are close to useless)

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1843	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:12:00 - [31] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: std SMG DPS should be 350 I expect the Magsec to have pretty tight spread just like the RR. The Magsec will make the SMG useless and will further limit the need for the AR SMG does 383 DPS at standard level. So the MagSec only beats it by 2 DPS, but that means it beats the normal SMG at *all* ranges. Now... what can't you do with the MagSec that you can do with the SMG? Swap it out in the middle of a gunfight when your magazine runs empty and start firing immediately. (0.3s charge-up time is pretty long in CQC situations.) But not everyone does this already anyway, most simply run around a corner while reloading. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 634	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:19:00 - [32] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: std SMG DPS should be 350 I expect the Magsec to have pretty tight spread just like the RR. The Magsec will make the SMG useless and will further limit the need for the AR SMG does 383 DPS at standard level. So the MagSec only beats it by 2 DPS, but that means it beats the normal SMG at *all* ranges. Now... what can't you do with the MagSec that you can do with the SMG? Swap it out in the middle of a gunfight when your magazine runs empty and start firing immediately. (0.3s charge-up time is pretty long in CQC situations.) But not everyone does this already anyway, most simply run around a corner while reloading. My bad I had old numbers :/. So they have basically the same DPS while one provides far better range so whats the point of the SMG once 1.8 hits? Its just sad that CCP sees to repeat their mistakes again and again :(
ALT2 acc 203	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:26:00 - [33] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: std SMG DPS should be 350 I expect the Magsec to have pretty tight spread just like the RR. The Magsec will make the SMG useless and will further limit the need for the AR SMG does 383 DPS at standard level. So the MagSec only beats it by 2 DPS, but that means it beats the normal SMG at *all* ranges. Now... what can't you do with the MagSec that you can do with the SMG? Swap it out in the middle of a gunfight when your magazine runs empty and start firing immediately. (0.3s charge-up time is pretty long in CQC situations.) But not everyone does this already anyway, most simply run around a corner while reloading. My bad I had old numbers :/. So they have basically the same DPS while one provides far better range so whats the point of the SMG once 1.8 hits? Its just sad that CCP sees to repeat their mistakes again and again :( More shield damage, faster to fire Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 634	Posted - 2014.03.03 13:37:00 - [34] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: std SMG DPS should be 350 I expect the Magsec to have pretty tight spread just like the RR. The Magsec will make the SMG useless and will further limit the need for the AR SMG does 383 DPS at standard level. So the MagSec only beats it by 2 DPS, but that means it beats the normal SMG at *all* ranges. Now... what can't you do with the MagSec that you can do with the SMG? Swap it out in the middle of a gunfight when your magazine runs empty and start firing immediately. (0.3s charge-up time is pretty long in CQC situations.) But not everyone does this already anyway, most simply run around a corner while reloading. My bad I had old numbers :/. So they have basically the same DPS while one provides far better range so whats the point of the SMG once 1.8 hits? Its just sad that CCP sees to repeat their mistakes again and again :( More shield damage, faster to fire The RR has shown that tighter hipfire (more shots hit) is way better than higher RoF. So I highly doubt the SMG will do good against the MagSec in CQC on a regular base not to mention the MagSec fires at AR ranges...
HUNK tm What The French Red Whines 288	Posted - 2014.03.04 09:18:00 - [35] - Quote A new era of second-- no : "light" weapons incoming. Losing a Madrugar = 1500K isk Destroyed by a proto forge-gun fit = 75K isk Receiving 4 hate mails = this is priceless.
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 2	Posted - 2014.03.04 09:30:00 - [36] - Quote HUNK tm wrote: A new era of second-- no : "light" weapons incoming. Yup Also, are you mad at my griefing? I griefed nyan san with a nanite injector in fw after that


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