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Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 681	Posted - 2014.03.01 14:20:00 - [1] - Quote My average suit cost 50K ISK. An average match I get between 150-200K ISK. So if I die 4 times I break even at best. I'll die more then that just trying to kill one tank these days let alone to anyone with 1 level in RR. I can run full proto suits but I never do as I'll never make back the isk of one death, why even bother offering anything higher then advanced when the only way you can stay viable is to run as cheap of a fit as you can? Unless you farm PC or run around like a bunch of tools pubstomping there is very little point in skilling past advanced gear. You get more in pain and suffering for dumping hot coffee in your lap, then you do for dying in any number of gruesome way for these mega wealthy corporations paying us. Immortal or not why would any merc put so little value on their suffering to take so little in exchange for what they go though any given battle? CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 6952	Posted - 2014.03.01 14:28:00 - [2] - Quote STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
ALT2 acc 187	Posted - 2014.03.01 14:34:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Hater attractor proficiency 5, hater attractor optimization 5.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10218	Posted - 2014.03.01 14:53:00 - [4] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Leading to increased protostomping and anyone without access to protosuits being unable to compete. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 682	Posted - 2014.03.01 14:58:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Leading to increased protostomping and anyone without access to protosuits being unable to compete. Yea I am not asking to run proto full time but either increased survivability or economically survivability at advanced level. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 610	Posted - 2014.03.01 15:02:00 - [6] - Quote What we need is PvE. PvP should be more expensive and should be played because it's "more fun" to fight against other players than against computer opponents. Payouts should be higher in PvP, but so should your losses. Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10219	Posted - 2014.03.01 15:05:00 - [7] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Leading to increased protostomping and anyone without access to protosuits being unable to compete. Yea I am not asking to run proto full time but either increased survivability or economically survivability at advanced level. Sure, then there should be no objection to an ADV and STD price decrease. Declaring that 'all' things need a price decrease would only additionally include proto. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1101	Posted - 2014.03.01 15:50:00 - [8] - Quote Why you hate STD fits, you bad at game?
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 682	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:02:00 - [9] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Why you hate STD fits, you bad at game? There's these things call PG/CPU requirements, that as a logi that actually runs useful equipment I tend to not have enough of at STD level. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 901	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:12:00 - [10] - Quote My logi fit cost 6,650 ISK. Granted everything's militia except my basic Rail Rifle but nevertheless extremely useful for saving money and helping my team. Logi fit Basic Caladari Logistics Basic Rail Rifle, no need to go higher Two Militia Shield Extenders Militia Locus Militia Rep Tool Militia Injector Militia Armor Plates CQC Logi Caladari Logi Militia Shotgun Militia Locus Militia Rep Tool Militia Injector Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Two Militia HTH Mods Melee damage is 141.1HP. Oh and my PG/CPU fits this well. Psycho Scout that likes knives and explosions Cool McCoolNess- Incubus Speedy McFaster- Cal Logi

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2998	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:18:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Leading to increased protostomping and anyone without access to protosuits being unable to compete. I keep seeing this, but the results are in. The current pricing/payout balance has led to battles becoming boring within 2-3 minutes. I'm not sure how anyone is still arguing this. It would be one thing if this was 5/14/2013 and we were talking hypotheticals, but we aren't. Battles are boring and I firmly believe it's because of the paltry payouts. Certainly the payouts in terms of performance vs mere participation. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 682	Posted - 2014.03.01 16:21:00 - [12] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: My logi fit cost 6,650 ISK. Granted everything's militia except my basic Rail Rifle but nevertheless extremely useful for saving money and helping my team. Logi fit Basic Caladari Logistics Basic Rail Rifle, no need to go higher Two Militia Shield Extenders Militia Locus Militia Rep Tool Militia Injector Militia Armor Plates CQC Logi Caladari Logi Militia Shotgun Militia Locus Militia Rep Tool Militia Injector Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Two Militia HTH Mods Melee damage is 141.1HP. Oh and my PG/CPU fits this well. I can run any number of free/cheap fits, but my point is that players shouldn't have to run excessively cheap fits to stay viable. MLT gear should be how a new players makes his initial fortune with STD gear being less profitable but more survivable then MLT gear. ADV you should be able to break even more often then not outside of just being bad. Proto is the luxury gear where your not likely going to make ISK but you'll be much more of a force on the battlefield. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
abarkrishna WarRavens 321	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:25:00 - [13] - Quote Your on drugs. I run proto and profit. It's really easy to do when you only only lose one suit a game. Sure some games I may not profit but it evens out. I can tell you now that if they were to increase isk payout there would be a lot more entertaining battles. I love fighting other proto. Someone brought up new player retention and that is an entirely different story. New players should not be playing vets nonstop in pubs. I am not surprised they only play once and never come back. The point of this game is to run cheap free stuff until you build all your core up. You get your weapon profiency and armor shields pg cpu and all that maxed while running as cheap of suits as possible. I managed to save up 100 million that way before I even started running proto. Pro tip Try not to die. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1835	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:31:00 - [14] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Leading to increased protostomping and anyone without access to protosuits being unable to compete. Exactly. They just need to add a option for higher tier battles that pay more then the standard battles. Might get the Pubstompers out to a pasture where they can make money on a even playing field using what the want. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 987	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:41:00 - [15] - Quote and when mlt tanks cost less than my heavy fit, i shall keep on using free suits when i see those tanks on the battlefield YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED!!! sç+a¦át¢èa¦á)sç+ (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7110	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:48:00 - [16] - Quote What's really needed to address this are several things. 1. Introduce PvE already with a tiered reward system exactly similar to that of Eve Online's PvE system. The higher the standings you have with the mission agent, the more ISK and LP you get for the corporation you worked for. Yes, LP and ISK is included for PvE mission agents in Eve Online. 2. Introduce secondary market (might take longer) so that players can sell the salvage they can't use so they can be properly compensated for the losses they suffered during the match. As a dedicated scout, I can't use any of the forge guns or other heavy-related gear that for some reason I keep getting as salvage. Funny how I never get nova knives and Minmatar scout suits as salvage. 3. Fix Planetary Conquest already. The whole of Molden Heath has become a giant ATM machine for Dust corporations who have practically locked all of the districts and thus using that ISK to flood the primary market with too much ISK in circulation which leads to way too many proto-stomping matches while those who are NOT in district-holding corporations suffer with no meaningful source of secondary revenue. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 682	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:54:00 - [17] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Your on drugs. I run proto and profit. It's really easy to do when you only only lose one suit a game. Sure some games I may not profit but it evens out. I can tell you now that if they were to increase isk payout there would be a lot more entertaining battles. I love fighting other proto. Someone brought up new player retention and that is an entirely different story. New players should not be playing vets nonstop in pubs. I am not surprised they only play once and never come back. The point of this game is to run cheap free stuff until you build all your core up. You get your weapon profiency and armor shields pg cpu and all that maxed while running as cheap of suits as possible. I managed to save up 100 million that way before I even started running proto. Pro tip Try not to die. I don't die nearly as much when I run proto, but as a logi my proto suits can run up to 250K ISK. So even one death puts me out a ton of ISK. I also run AV fits much of the time this build so I am not going to run proto logi suits to take out 80K ISK tanks. And no I am not throwing myself at tanks, but my AV weapons are only mildly useful vs infantry. CCP your matchmaking is better but still sucks a fair amount Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2959	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:56:00 - [18] - Quote Proto gear is underpriced TBH. MLT and STD is about where I'd expect it to be. And ADV is a tad bit on the overpriced side. H M G
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 586	Posted - 2014.03.01 17:58:00 - [19] - Quote I do think that advanced suits are a touch too expensive. Basic and proto are about right, IMO.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1348	Posted - 2014.03.01 18:08:00 - [20] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Leading to increased protostomping and anyone without access to protosuits being unable to compete. I keep seeing this, but the results are in. The current pricing/payout balance has led to battles becoming boring within 2-3 minutes. I'm not sure how anyone is still arguing this. It would be one thing if this was 5/14/2013 and we were talking hypotheticals, but we aren't. Battles are boring and I firmly believe it's because of the paltry payouts. Certainly the payouts in terms of performance vs mere participation. who cares about isk? Destroy everything, kill everyone. Who wants some?

Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.03.01 18:15:00 - [21] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Cat Merc wrote: STD and ADV gear is overpriced, proto should stay as is. Not really, all infantry things need price reduction or payout increase Agreed. tanks are cheaper, and more effective. Suits need to be even cheaper to offset the fact tanks are invulnerable now.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1839	Posted - 2014.03.01 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Proto gear is underpriced TBH. MLT and STD is about where I'd expect it to be. And ADV is a tad bit on the overpriced side. Yup. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.03.01 21:58:00 - [23] - Quote heres my isk gain vs suit cost i make about 220,000 per match my advance suit which is my main pub suit is about 44,000isk i buy 25 suits per restock which comes out to about 1,100,000isk i can die average of 4 times a match before i start losing profit so if i can make those 25 suits last more then 5 matches i make a profit normaly i can go 6 or 7 Doms before i have to restock but if i don't i switch to standard suits to make up the difference. moral of the story dont suck and dont use what you cant afford to lose I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:03:00 - [24] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Proto gear is underpriced TBH. MLT and STD is about where I'd expect it to be. And ADV is a tad bit on the overpriced side. Yup. proto is not under priced because with all the other proto and complex gear on the suit you can barely buy 5 without spending over a million isk I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Onesimus Tarsus TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 1268	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:11:00 - [25] - Quote My only suit costs 14,100 ISK per unit. Take off the BPOs and that skyrockets to... 18,100. I have to die about a dozen times before my brow begins to furrow. Cheap suits are a poor (in every sense of the word) player's haven of rest. Besides, anybody can rule in those high-ISK auto-killers. The real talent around here shops off the rack. Start an alt, use no SP, grab a starter fit and join me in "no SP warriors" chat!
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:13:00 - [26] - Quote and payouts are fine its work put into match=isk i went 5/4 yesterday but made 350,000isk because i was the only person who got over 1000wp and more then 2 kills. so since everyone else went to the redline while i stayed and fought i made alot of isk. WORK=ISK I don't like the Amarr but boy do they have style
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2077	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:18:00 - [27] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: moral of the story dont suck and dont use what you cant afford to lose If you bring it out of the hanger, just consider it dead already. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 228	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:37:00 - [28] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: My logi fit cost 6,650 ISK. Granted everything's militia except my basic Rail Rifle but nevertheless extremely useful for saving money and helping my team. Logi fit Basic Caladari Logistics Basic Rail Rifle, no need to go higher Two Militia Shield Extenders Militia Locus Militia Rep Tool Militia Injector Militia Armor Plates CQC Logi Caladari Logi Militia Shotgun Militia Locus Militia Rep Tool Militia Injector Militia Kinetic Catalyzer Two Militia HTH Mods Melee damage is 141.1HP. Oh and my PG/CPU fits this well. I guess that comes in useful when you die 25 times in a game of ambush. If you really want to help your team I'd suggest you don't spawn.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2077	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:44:00 - [29] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: My logi fit cost 6,650 ISK. Granted everything's militia except my basic Rail Rifle but nevertheless extremely useful for saving money and helping my team. snip I guess that comes in useful when you die 25 times in a game of ambush. If you really want to help your team I'd suggest you don't spawn. If you can't do well in pubs running cheap gear you'll only be marginally useful to your team in adv/proto anyway. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 533	Posted - 2014.03.01 22:56:00 - [30] - Quote A Std-Adv suit costing 50K pain staking for me since you don't get much tank no matter what it is,the highest pub fit i have is 37K assault suit, i draw the line at 40K most of the time on "grunt fits" I think think payouts should be better,id be able to run higher ISK suits and manage more with more leeway. PayoutS suck in general ,I can do AV work and get paid crap 90k, or do logi work and get paid a constant 200k most games in a 30K suit,What BS is this? i blew up a tanks for f**k sakes. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2115	Posted - 2014.03.01 23:11:00 - [31] - Quote A performance based matchmaking would solve this, in the end, its not about the money, so long as you can pull some form of profit! Tighter games are more fun, tighter games end up with everyone throwing everything for the win. If I go against NS squad or some such, where I know its just gonna be FOTM spam, why would I bother with anything but mlt? Unless your a Computer Scientist don't tell me how Game Mechanics Work. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1365	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:03:00 - [32] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: A performance based matchmaking would solve this, in the end, its not about the money, so long as you can pull some form of profit! Tighter games are more fun, tighter games end up with everyone throwing everything for the win. If I go against NS squad or some such, where I know its just gonna be FOTM spam, why would I bother with anything but mlt? you would be better off just leaving. So would real players who don't buckle under a whiff of danger. Who wants some?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 930	Posted - 2014.03.02 01:06:00 - [33] - Quote I think it's fine. Expensive things should stay expensive and cheap things should stay cheap - that's who the world works. No point really in making expensive things cheap - defeats the purpose. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.


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