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Meknow Intaki
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:37:00 -
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It seams the AR has taken the back seat, you got the RR driving with CR riding shotgun and well the LR is in the back with me buts puking rainbows out the window  |
Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.02.27 14:38:00 -
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AR isn't bad. Duvolles still tear me to shreds sometimes. It is just being overshadowed by the CR and RR. Let them get balanced and the AR will shine again.
"I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
217
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:00:00 -
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The AR is amazing right now. Engage while in your optimal range and while not exposed and it melts people.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Paul Peacemaker
Death Firm.
Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:08:00 -
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It's great.
It's just dev's fault for giving Dust rifles the range of a real life airsoft weapon instead of an actual weapon. It's pathetic, the way it's done. |
NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
218
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:11:00 -
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Paul Peacemaker wrote:It's great.
It's just dev's fault for giving Dust rifles the range of a real life airsoft weapon instead of an actual weapon. It's pathetic, the way it's done.
They are airsoft guns that shoot plasma
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Stinky Sleeve
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
62
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:13:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:The AR is amazing right now. Engage while in your optimal range and while not exposed and it melts people.
RR has the same DPS and an optimal range that encompases the entire effective range of the AR. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:15:00 -
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NextDark Knight wrote:Paul Peacemaker wrote:It's great.
It's just dev's fault for giving Dust rifles the range of a real life airsoft weapon instead of an actual weapon. It's pathetic, the way it's done. They are airsoft guns that shoot plasma
Electromagnetic containment bottles full fo plasma actually. Makes for a rather large round, which is relatively light for its size, so the range is not great, but when the bottle breaks on impact and releases that plasma, it makes an impression.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
218
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:16:00 -
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Stinky Sleeve wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:The AR is amazing right now. Engage while in your optimal range and while not exposed and it melts people. RR has the same DPS and an optimal range that encompases the entire effective range of the AR.
and a crappy ass kick, thats why CR and AR is better.
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:16:00 -
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AR is amazing, I don't want any changes to it.
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
Mocking Bird Inc.
716
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:17:00 -
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It depends, I use mine to scrub the toilet. That is some Minmatar ingenuity.
Market PvP for the win.
Decreases price by 1 ISK*
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
1967
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:18:00 -
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ar is getting a buff by nerfing everything that ever dared to over shadow it. |
Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:24:00 -
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Meknow Intaki wrote:It seams the AR has taken the back seat, you got the RR driving with CR riding shotgun and well the LR is in the back with me buts puking rainbows out the window
The impession i got is that the AR will be getting some attention in terms of tweaks to optimal/falloff with the 1.8 rifle rebalance.
In terms of damage it sounds like all the main assault weapons are having their DPS nerfed to adjust TTK, maybe that means the AR will be nerfed a bit less than the RR or CR(or SCR?).
The LR is getting some intelligent attention to it's fallof profile and overheat chatacteristics, imo there's reason to hope the AR will too, but i have no sources, just wild speculation ;)
I support SP rollover.
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Martyr Saboteur
Amarrtyrs
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:30:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:Paul Peacemaker wrote:It's great.
It's just dev's fault for giving Dust rifles the range of a real life airsoft weapon instead of an actual weapon. It's pathetic, the way it's done. They are airsoft guns that shoot plasma Electromagnetic containment bottles full of plasma actually. Makes for a rather large round, which is relatively light for its size, so the range is not great, but when the bottle breaks on impact and releases that plasma, it makes an impression.
No.
Railguns fire those. Not really, they fire slugs that turn into plamsa upon impact. There is no "bottle". Only antimatter rounds use a magnetic bottle.
Blasters fire plasma. The weapon ionizes a slug of matter (probably iron or lead) and fires the ionized matter (plasma) out of the weapon with a cyclotron (basically a particle accelerator that works in a spiral).
Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.02.27 15:46:00 -
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Duvolle AR is perfect. TAC and Burst need some help, seriously, there's no reason to use them (besides styling of course) |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
2654
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:00:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:Paul Peacemaker wrote:It's great.
It's just dev's fault for giving Dust rifles the range of a real life airsoft weapon instead of an actual weapon. It's pathetic, the way it's done. They are airsoft guns that shoot plasma Electromagnetic containment bottles full of plasma actually. Makes for a rather large round, which is relatively light for its size, so the range is not great, but when the bottle breaks on impact and releases that plasma, it makes an impression. No. Railguns fire those. Not really, they fire slugs that turn into plamsa upon impact. There is no "bottle". Only antimatter rounds use a magnetic bottle.
Assault Rifles are essentially a rail rifle that shoots magnetic containment bottles of plasma. Source. Keep in mind that Caldari and Gallente shared a lot of technology before the war.
Martyr Saboteur wrote:Blasters fire plasma. The weapon ionizes a slug of matter (probably iron or lead) and fires the ionized matter (plasma) out of the weapon with a cyclotron (basically a particle accelerator that works in a spiral).
That described the Shotgun, Plasma Cannon, and Ion Pistol. You canGÇÖt get enough range for an Infantry Rifle firing live Plasma in the atmosphere. Therefore they have to use the containment bottles for the Assault Rifle rounds.
Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
698
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:10:00 -
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i can still do well with my ar.
mainly my gek though.
just cant get into range of rail rifle or cr and sometimes a scrambler rifle. usually end up dead there against those long ranged campers.
not to mention how fast they melt a heavy suit. with hmg.
sometimes requires a tank just to counter.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1781
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Posted - 2014.02.27 16:41:00 -
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CCP has made a few statements about upcoming nerfs to rifles. (Click the "Dev Posts" tab.)
I can only assume this means RR and CR. Possibly ScR?
If the other rifles get nerfed a tad, but the AR stays where it is, it'd be an effective buff. So there's some glimmer of hope on the horizon.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2078
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:12:00 -
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It will nerfed less than the other rifles, that will be a sufficient amount of love, is still overpowered right now, just not in comparison to the other rifles.
Combat Engineer in training.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1750
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:16:00 -
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tbh the CR rifle never needed a nerf because of its range profile and terribad alpha.
anyways, the AR and CR are supposed to have the same range and operate in the same area, just with different damage profieles and firing modes.
so, when the CR gets nerfed the AR will get nerfed by an amount that willl balance it with the CR.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10132
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:19:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:tbh the CR rifle never needed a nerf because of its range profile and terribad alpha.
anyways, the AR and CR are supposed to have the same range and operate in the same area, just with different damage profieles and firing modes.
so, when the CR gets nerfed the AR will get nerfed by an amount that willl balance it with the CR.
Range profile?
Terribad alpha?
It has a longer range than the assault rifle and does vastly more DPS.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
282
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:19:00 -
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I have over a mil in ARs - I've strayed away from it towards sidearms and shotguns. Even if they are improved in 1.8 - they are never going to be like what they used to (which is a good thing) - if we were to get a weapons respec I'd personally abandoned rifles all together.
I'd argue that ARs don't need buffing, they just need to balance the other rifles so that the AR is the relatively best rifle for CQC-mid range.
You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
2078
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Posted - 2014.02.27 17:20:00 -
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Martyr Saboteur wrote:Fox Gaden wrote:NextDark Knight wrote:Paul Peacemaker wrote:It's great.
It's just dev's fault for giving Dust rifles the range of a real life airsoft weapon instead of an actual weapon. It's pathetic, the way it's done. They are airsoft guns that shoot plasma Electromagnetic containment bottles full of plasma actually. Makes for a rather large round, which is relatively light for its size, so the range is not great, but when the bottle breaks on impact and releases that plasma, it makes an impression. No. Railguns fire those. Not really, they fire slugs that turn into plamsa upon impact. There is no "bottle". Only antimatter rounds use a magnetic bottle. Blasters fire plasma. The weapon ionizes a slug of matter (probably iron or lead) and fires the ionized matter (plasma) out of the weapon with a cyclotron (basically a particle accelerator that works in a spiral).
Railguns fire slugs, these slugs so damn fast the atmosphere blue shifts around it and creates a electromagnetic charge on the slug, this is why the railgun typically hitts for such a high alpha.
The blaster fires PURE plasma that is contained within an electrostatic containment field, the field is so strong it acts similarly to a projectile upon impact. This gives it lower penalty to armour.
Combat Engineer in training.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
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