DUST Search - Fix for redline snipers?

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

Patrick57 wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

Patrick57 wrote:

Leadfoot10 wrote:

Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags).

Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too).

I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea...

Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC.

It would get the tanks out of the redline. :D Then there'd be more opportunities to take them out with Remotes. :D

No, no it would not.
Please explain how this would make someone move from the redline, when all that they're looking to do is kill opponents and play a game in their spare time?

If your issue is snipers in the redline, then your real issue is YOU BEING LAZY.
Tanks are the only problematic issue, but as I stated above, this would not incentivize them to do anything.

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Patrick57 5483	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:00:00 - [1] - Quote I know I'll get a lot of hate from this.... How about you can't deploy equipment in the redline? No nanohives, no useless redline snipers. They'll have to come out of the redline to snipe (or suicide when they run out of ammo). In addition to this, take away all the Supply Depots in the redline, thus making them more useful to tankers and dropshippers (maybe they wouldn't destroy them as much anymore o_O). /waits for trolling to begin I go negative in PC, yay
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 123	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:11:00 - [2] - Quote Leave the poor souls with no gun game alone. P.S leave the red line supply depot, nowadays all of them are on a ledge and your tank can't reach it.. and also people like destroying them My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
Vance Vyth State Covenant AQ 75	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:14:00 - [3] - Quote how about I snipe you in the face? I think that would fix the problem. but seriously no thats not going to work. I'm not even going to explain to you why because its so elementary. (a¦ê+ä-£a¦ê) n++Gö¦pâçGòÉGÇö _ - (a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ) "+60"
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 525	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:18:00 - [4] - Quote Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too).
Vance Vyth State Covenant AQ 75	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:20:00 - [5] - Quote moving MCC and redline. there is a topic about it somewhere... and it goes into great detail. the idea is: that the mcc will have its own small redline and it moves with the mcc around the edges of the map. that way noone stays in one place, and has to constantly move with the redline. (a¦ê+ä-£a¦ê) n++Gö¦pâçGòÉGÇö _ - (a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ) "+60"
Patrick57 5485	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:20:00 - [6] - Quote Vance Vyth wrote: how about I snipe you in the face? I think that would fix the problem. but seriously no thats not going to work. I'm not even going to explain to you why because its so elementary. Sorry my idea isn't exactly how you want it. Not everyone can please you, not everyone has the same ideas as you. I go negative in PC, yay
Patrick57 5485	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:22:00 - [7] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... I go negative in PC, yay
Patrick57 5485	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:24:00 - [8] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Leave the poor souls with no gun game alone. P.S leave the red line supply depot, nowadays all of them are on a ledge and your tank can't reach it.. and also people like destroying them Putting them in more tank friendly spots :D If recalling mechanics were better, it maybe could be an idea....idk :( I go negative in PC, yay
Vance Vyth State Covenant AQ 75	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:25:00 - [9] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Vance Vyth wrote: how about I snipe you in the face? I think that would fix the problem. but seriously no thats not going to work. I'm not even going to explain to you why because its so elementary. Sorry my idea isn't exactly how you want it. Not everyone can please you, not everyone has the same ideas as you. no hard feelings mate but this is not about me or what I want, the thing about it is that removing supply depots from redline gimps alot of players not just snipers or tanks it effects everyone in a negative way. (a¦ê+ä-£a¦ê) n++Gö¦pâçGòÉGÇö _ - (a¦Ñ_a¦Ñ) "+60"
Patrick57 5486	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:30:00 - [10] - Quote Vance Vyth wrote: no hard feelings mate but this is not about me or what I want, the thing about it is that removing supply depots from redline gimps alot of players not just snipers or tanks it effects everyone in a negative way. I figured it would make them more valuable, so tankers wouldn't destroy them all the time....whatever bad idea is bad :( I go negative in PC, yay

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 526	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:34:00 - [11] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC.
Patrick57 5486	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:36:00 - [12] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC. It would get the tanks out of the redline. :D Then there'd be more opportunities to take them out with Remotes. :D I go negative in PC, yay
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1734	Posted - 2014.02.26 02:47:00 - [13] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I know I'll get a lot of hate from this.... You won't, <3 . >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 628	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:36:00 - [14] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC. It would get the tanks out of the redline. :D Then there'd be more opportunities to take them out with Remotes. :D No, no it would not. Please explain how this would make someone move from the redline, when all that they're looking to do is kill opponents and play a game in their spare time? If your issue is snipers in the redline, then your real issue is YOU BEING LAZY. Tanks are the only problematic issue, but as I stated above, this would not incentivize them to do anything. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1841	Posted - 2014.02.26 03:41:00 - [15] - Quote Equipment is usually their downfall.... plus the fix is to snipe them...in the mouth I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 66	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:47:00 - [16] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC. It would get the tanks out of the redline. :D Then there'd be more opportunities to take them out with Remotes. :D No, no it would not. Please explain how this would make someone move from the redline, when all that they're looking to do is kill opponents and play a game in their spare time? If your issue is snipers in the redline, then your real issue is YOU BEING LAZY. Tanks are the only problematic issue, but as I stated above, this would not incentivize them to do anything. Actually there are a few cheap exploits such as hive farming that are far safer to do in the redline. Remove WP in the redline and they would have to take a risk in farming their 1-2k of points. War Points for the War Zone.
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 177	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:50:00 - [17] - Quote Vance Vyth wrote: how about I snipe you in the face? I think that would fix the problem. but seriously no thats not going to work. I'm not even going to explain to you why because its so elementary. +1 b/c you got a cool sig Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
Meisterjager Jagermeister 7	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:52:00 - [18] - Quote How about the map actually shows where your own redline is. It could be a YELLOW line to differentiate from fully out of bounds.
Turtle Hermit Roshi D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 177	Posted - 2014.02.26 05:54:00 - [19] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Vance Vyth wrote: no hard feelings mate but this is not about me or what I want, the thing about it is that removing supply depots from redline gimps alot of players not just snipers or tanks it effects everyone in a negative way. I figured it would make them more valuable, so tankers wouldn't destroy them all the time....whatever bad idea is bad :( yeah but what about when you spawn in the wrong fit ??? or when ur SG runs out of ammo and the only one on the feild is being contested Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for, welcome to New Eden -ill b there SoonGäó KAMEHAMEHA TANK KILLA
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 765	Posted - 2014.02.26 06:00:00 - [20] - Quote Supply depots need to stay in the redline. As it is, 2 of the maps have the only supply depot I can reach deep in my redline. Best PVE idea I've seen.

Patrick57 5495	Posted - 2014.02.26 11:42:00 - [21] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: If your issue is snipers in the redline, then your real issue is YOU BEING LAZY. Lol @ your logic I go negative in PC, yay
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition 204	Posted - 2014.02.26 11:55:00 - [22] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I know I'll get a lot of hate from this.... How about you can't deploy equipment in the redline? No nanohives, no useless redline snipers. They'll have to come out of the redline to snipe (or suicide when they run out of ammo). In addition to this, take away all the Supply Depots in the redline, thus making them more useful to tankers and dropshippers (maybe they wouldn't destroy them as much anymore o_O). /waits for trolling to begin yeah this will fix proto redline snipers, but militia players will still try it ................... but I gotta ask are redline snipers that much of a problem they don't get many kills or really break the game , the snipers you see getting more than 15 kills are not in the redline , you wont get many kills hiding in the redline
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1338	Posted - 2014.02.26 12:21:00 - [23] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I know I'll get a lot of hate from this.... How about you can't deploy equipment in the redline? No nanohives, no useless redline snipers. They'll have to come out of the redline to snipe (or suicide when they run out of ammo). In addition to this, take away all the Supply Depots in the redline, thus making them more useful to tankers and dropshippers (maybe they wouldn't destroy them as much anymore o_O). /waits for trolling to begin Let's stop snipers from being snipers. While at it let's stop rail rifles from being able to do what they do too. Also, let's just remove that close range thing. I'm tired of being shot at such close range. Rifles shouldn't do that. We should have a no fire zone around every objective to, you know, allow time for the other team to cap it. Oh hell, just prevent firing over the whole map. It's the only way to be sure. I hate every role and weapon. They are all equally useless. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1338	Posted - 2014.02.26 12:22:00 - [24] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC. WP? What is that? Can I eat it? Do I get an award for doing it? Does it go good with beer as much as fresh tears? Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 173	Posted - 2014.02.26 18:12:00 - [25] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Remove all WP for kills made from the redline, unless your team is being redlined (i.e. holds no flags). Simple yet effective end to redline sniping (and railguns too). I haven't really commented on all the removing WP from the redline threads, because it just hasn't seemed very good to me... but now that I think about it more it actually seems like the best idea... Thanks Patrick. We've been discussing this topic for a few days now in our squads and this seems to be the consensus amongst the guys I spoke with to be both the easiest and most effective solution to the problem of redline sniping/railtanks. The only caveat is it would be ineffective in PC. I think not earning Time Based SP while in the Red Zone(inside MCC counts as Red Zone) would be a better solution. The majority of SP earned in a match is SP for time spent in a match (1 SP per second). If CCP turned off Time based SP while in the Red Zone people would be encouraged to move outside the Red Zone or suffer the consequence of a very low SP reward for the match. People would still be able to Redline Snipe/Rail out of the Red Zone and earn WP (and 1 SP per WP), but without time based SP the rewards would be greatly reduced; this would allow that if your team is redlined you can still earn some skill based rewards. The average player earns less than 1000 WP per match; if it were all from Snipe/Rail behind the redline they would only earn 1000 SP from the match. nothing to see here ... move along
Patrick57 5501	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:18:00 - [26] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Let's stop snipers from being snipers. While at it let's stop rail rifles from being able to do what they do too. Also, let's just remove that close range thing. I'm tired of being shot at such close range. Rifles shouldn't do that. We should have a no fire zone around every objective to, you know, allow time for the other team to cap it. Oh hell, just prevent firing over the whole map. It's the only way to be sure. I hate every role and weapon. They are all equally useless. CCP, this is how you fix Dust! I go negative in PC, yay
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7629	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:29:00 - [27] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I know I'll get a lot of hate from this.... How about you can't deploy equipment in the redline? No nanohives, no useless redline snipers. They'll have to come out of the redline to snipe (or suicide when they run out of ammo). In addition to this, take away all the Supply Depots in the redline, thus making them more useful to tankers and dropshippers (maybe they wouldn't destroy them as much anymore o_O). /waits for trolling to begin How about when one team owns all points, the red line retreats to a final capture zone appears beneath the MCC, once that zone is captured the battle ends. That or your cant shoot while in it. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 634	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:33:00 - [28] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: If your issue is snipers in the redline, then your real issue is YOU BEING LAZY. Lol @ your logic You're trying to tell me that shooting stationary "redline fish in a barrel" for easy WP is actually an issue for you? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Patrick57 5501	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:37:00 - [29] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: If your issue is snipers in the redline, then your real issue is YOU BEING LAZY. Lol @ your logic You're trying to tell me that shooting stationary "redline fish in a barrel" for easy WP is actually an issue for you? Is that what my post said? I swear I thought it said something else I go negative in PC, yay
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 41	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:47:00 - [30] - Quote Better idea- Fix the sodding red line timer so I can fly in there and blow the bastards up without exploding at 15 seconds... Problem solved, no one will sit in the redzone anymore.

Patrick57 5501	Posted - 2014.02.26 21:48:00 - [31] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Better idea- Fix the sodding red line timer so I can fly in there and blow the bastards up without exploding at 15 seconds... Problem solved, no one will sit in the redzone anymore. We got it, my "idea" sucks ._. I go negative in PC, yay
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 193	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:46:00 - [32] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I know I'll get a lot of hate from this.... How about you can't deploy equipment in the redline? No nanohives, no useless redline snipers. They'll have to come out of the redline to snipe (or suicide when they run out of ammo). In addition to this, take away all the Supply Depots in the redline, thus making them more useful to tankers and dropshippers (maybe they wouldn't destroy them as much anymore o_O). /waits for trolling to begin Your idea would eliminate the only viable alternative to being stomped for new players. Maybe you've forgotten how hard this game is on newbies? Since you refer the rl sniper crowd as useless, why not just leave them alone until they get enough sp to come down out of the hills? Rather than force them away to only kill this dying game faster than it's being done now. DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Patrick57 5501	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:49:00 - [33] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Your idea would eliminate the only viable alternative to being stomped for new players. Maybe you've forgotten how hard this game is on newbies? Since you refer the rl sniper crowd as useless, why not just leave them alone until they get enough sp to come down out of the hills? Rather than force them away to only kill this dying game faster than it's being done now. So, let me get this straight...removing the ability to use equipment in the redline means noobs are hopeless? Lol, I know my idea sucks, but not as much as your logic. I go negative in PC, yay
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 973	Posted - 2014.02.26 22:55:00 - [34] - Quote Yeeeuuuupppp wrote: Leave the poor souls with no gun game alone. P.S leave the red line supply depot, nowadays all of them are on a ledge and your tank can't reach it.. and also people like destroying them Find me in game and I'll show you how to reach them Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1


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