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Asher Night
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:20:00 -
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Decided I will post this in the Respec thread, although I really do want to start my own discussion, and not just be drowned out by all the other discussions going on between people in that thread.
How does this thread even exist? The very fact that this thread was stickied is testament that CCP just absolutely does not know how to make a right decision. There's nothing to discuss. Give the respec.
Option 1 - Give No Respec - People will probably trickle away and even more people will stop playing this game and not even because of the poor core mechanics, but because the game devs themselves changed what you spent hours upon hours spending game time to earn. Personally, I stopped playing this game for about 6 months because I wasn't happy with my character. I'm sure I'm not the only one that walked away, and I'm sure plenty of people never came back.
Option 2 - Give a Respec - How many people will leave the game if a respec is given? Question for all of you who do not want CCP to give a respec: Will that ruin the game for YOU? Will you stop playing because someone else was given a respec to fix their character that CCP drastically changed? Will you delete Dust from your PS3?
CCP only has an audience to gain from giving respecs. One of the harshest things about playing this game is not knowing what to do with your character, and I can only imagine how many people have left this game because there are so many more balanced, complete FPS's out there that aren't riddled with horrible glitches on top of mistakenly wasting hours speccing into something you realize does not fit the game or your playstyle. This game is free, so it's not as if th player has anything to lose by putting down the sticks and loading up something else.
Option 3 - Give Unlimited Respecs - Chill the **** out and let me explain. Of course there would be something to pay to make this happen. Maybe one respec a month, maybe for enough ISK, or sacrifice a chunk of SP, or spend AUR - which would help CCP make money off of this game. Imagine how much more YOU would play the game. I know for a fact I'd spend hours and hours just pouring through different weapons, vehicles, dropsuits, everything. Would any of you think "Dust 514? Nah, don't play that game. Anyone can experiment with different playstyles whenever you want. Don't play that game". This would also help CCP learn what is broken way faster. If everyone keeps respeccing into the same weapon, same dropsuit, whatever, that will be a dead giveaway. No need to waste months reading the same crap on the forums about what's broken, PLUS the players wouldn't be forced to bend over and take it every game, everyday, because they could respec and then utilize the weapon themselves that's OP - so at least they wouldn't be forced to just die and die again until CCP get's their fists out of their own asses and fixes it.
If this game was balanced people wouldn't even want to use respec after doing it a few times and learning what they really like to play as. The only reason people want a respec at all is because the game is just not what it should be - and that is only CCP's fault. There are mistakes in this game that no game company would dare make in this day and age. The worst thing about it is they want YOU to just deal with it.
I think this game would do better with unlimited respecs, but that's me. Yes it would make this game less 'hardcore' but no major league game would touch this game anyway. Only butthurt CCP fanboys would be upset, and they would play the game anyway, because they are CCP fanboys. If nothing else we should definitely be given a respec come 1.8. |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:26:00 -
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Why you inverted.. Re-edit the OP and post the original. B*tches need to see this.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:26:00 -
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Contrary to popular belief, people will not stop playing if there is no respec. CCP knows this, so there is no real incentive to give one. There are a lot of negative consequences for giving one and few positives. The only reason I wwould ever support respecs is when.skills are changed. In that case those points should be refunded. Respecs should.not occur when new content is added, because New content will always be added. I'd just like to say that paying for respecs would put this game on the fast track towards P2W.
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
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Asher Night
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:36:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:Why you inverted.. Re-edit the OP and post the original. B*tches need to see this.
First, I just wanted to make my own topic because that other one has 30+ pages. Then I re-read LogiBros origianl post in that other topic and realizeed I probably should post any skill respec discussion in that thread. I have no intention of outwardly disrespecting CCP, aside from tough lough telling them to get their heads (and fists) out of their asses. Then I decided "Wiat, this topic will be deleted anyway, I might as well have people read my original post, so I put it back in.
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Contrary to popular belief, people will not stop playing if there is no respec. CCP knows this, so there is no real incentive to give one. There are a lot of negative consequences for giving one and few positives. The only reason I wwould ever support respecs is when.skills are changed. In that case those points should be refunded. Respecs should.not occur when new content is added, because New content will always be added. I'd just like to say that paying for respecs would put this game on the fast track towards P2W.
Wrong. I definitely stopped playing this game because of my scout being so weak. Scouts have clearly not gotten enough love, which is exactly why they are getting a buff. The only reason I came back after half a year is because I couldn't find a PS4. If I had a PS4 I promise I wouldn't be playing this game right now. I am not playing this game because it's good or because I'm hooked. I'm playing it because I've platinumed all y other games. I'm only here because the PS4 isn't - not because of CCP's (lol) 'excellence'. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:37:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Contrary to popular belief, people will not stop playing if there is no respec. CCP knows this, so there is no real incentive to give one. There are a lot of negative consequences for giving one and few positives. The only reason I wwould ever support respecs is when.skills are changed. In that case those points should be refunded. Respecs should.not occur when new content is added, because New content will always be added. I'd just like to say that paying for respecs would put this game on the fast track towards P2W.
Its not about new content.
Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and/or slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying an expensive sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into an expensive tractor. The tractor may be a great tractor, but if you're a race car driver and not a farmer then you're screwed; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required.
Our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true.
Going to watch stuff online now.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.02.25 10:03:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Contrary to popular belief, people will not stop playing if there is no respec. CCP knows this, so there is no real incentive to give one. There are a lot of negative consequences for giving one and few positives. The only reason I wwould ever support respecs is when.skills are changed. In that case those points should be refunded. Respecs should.not occur when new content is added, because New content will always be added. I'd just like to say that paying for respecs would put this game on the fast track towards P2W. Its not about new content. Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and/or slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying an expensive sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into an expensive tractor. The tractor may be a great tractor, but if you're a race car driver and not a farmer then you're screwed; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required. Our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true. Going to watch stuff online now.
I already said I supported respecs of individual skills when they are changed.
My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity
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