People talk about the rifles being OP but honestly, compared to what?

Shotguns are fine in their range. Perhaps th gap between std and pro is too high, but get in close with a shotty and you win.

Hmg are fine. Use the assault for added range and melt faces.

Snipers are fine. Use the tact if you can't get headshots and land 3 quick bodies for a kill.

Forge are in a good spot and used to be OP. they can still wreck havoc on infantry from high ground, just not as easily.

Sidearms? Smg is decent and can hold its own in its range and scp is the best gun in the game in skilled hands.

MD and flaylock are a little up but you need to be careful cause if you reach a high enough threshold of folks using aoe weapons they can just destroy

LR is a little UP too but if it gets boosted it'll just play like the other rifles but with the super deadly preheat.

Obviously installations and turrets aren't UP compared to rifles.

RE are more deadly than rifles. Nades are fine too.

So when people complain about the rifles.. What weapons do they want to see more effective? Just the LR and the splash weapons?

And yes the gap between std and proto shotty is bigger than other guns in regards to damage. Most guns add 2-5 damage from std to proto. I believe the shotty adds quite a bit.

Hold up now, did you just say the Assault HMG's are good?

The more important question is why you didn't identify this post as a trolling from the start? I laughed hard enough to give him a "HA-HA like"

Splash weapons and LR are legit pointless right now. But every other gun has a good role and situation to use them in. And I figure MD would currently be good in groups, just requires teamwork and tons of assists. But if you make it viable solo then it becomes OP in bunches.

Hold up now, did you just say the Assault HMG's are good?

See these weapons don't win in the other weapons niche. Ill maybe grant you the RR range is a bit much and makes it harder to keep others in the niche range, perhaps a bit too much. But back in the day after the SS nerf everyone bitched about how thier weapons couldn't kill at any range and that got changed.

And even the rail is only a huge problem at proto where it has 100+ m range. Std and Adv RR are a bit lower which I find I can still navigat around. The only time I feel an area is pretty much off limits is with proto rails.

Hmg is not nerfed anymore. Show mea heavy losing hmg to RR inside 30 m and that's a bad heavy.

Md is a different story. Because you have to be wary of a threshold where suddenly a squad of MD users jut kill anything near them with focused fire. It may be a little UP now, but not by much. And it being OP is much more game breaking than Op rifles.

Ill agree the Lr needs some help. It has a small role with preheating and killing dudes on rooftops but the Scr headshot works almost as well.

People talk about the rifles being OP but honestly, compared to what?

Shotguns are fine in their range. Perhaps th gap between std and pro is too high, but get in close with a shotty and you win.

Hmg are fine. Use the assault for added range and melt faces.

Snipers are fine. Use the tact if you can't get headshots and land 3 quick bodies for a kill.

Forge are in a good spot and used to be OP. they can still wreck havoc on infantry from high ground, just not as easily.

Sidearms? Smg is decent and can hold its own in its range and scp is the best gun in the game in skilled hands.

MD and flaylock are a little up but you need to be careful cause if you reach a high enough threshold of folks using aoe weapons they can just destroy

LR is a little UP too but if it gets boosted it'll just play like the other rifles but with the super deadly preheat.

Obviously installations and turrets aren't UP compared to rifles.

RE are more deadly than rifles. Nades are fine too.

So when people complain about the rifles.. What weapons do they want to see more effective? Just the LR and the splash weapons?

ok the RR and CR are consdered op because they are "too strong in un optimal range ie RR win in cqc over SG (both medium dropsuits)

and as ive said b4 the RR/CR spam isnt nearly as bad as the AR spam back in the day
and isnt nearly as OP as the AR was
i hated tht **** so much

oh and the nerf on explosives are too much locus gernades need t be moar powerful and so do MD /Flaylock

Aww someone can't actually back up their claim that somehow every gun is OP at once so they just ignore actually trying to rationalize that craz opinion the community holds.