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Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 137	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:31:00 - [1] - Quote The imbalance. Why? Why must there always be an overpowered item? Is balance that hard? "Anybody order chaos?"
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 775	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:32:00 - [2] - Quote The answer is: Yes Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 195	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:34:00 - [3] - Quote Its not that hard if you actually know what is balance in games. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1839	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:34:00 - [4] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: The imbalance. Why? Why must there always be an overpowered item? Is balance that hard? Balance is hard. Frankly, CCP has wasted far too many resources on the pursuit of a phantasm, and instead should be investing heavily in to content. Balance is subjective, and by definition, unstable or at best, metastable. PVE would help alleviate the feelings of imbalance without having to constantly refactor previous work based on the current whims of the community.
T8R Raid BIG BAD W0LVES 160	Posted - 2014.02.23 02:35:00 - [5] - Quote DEV Sabrewing doesn't like equality. I'm sure all the DEV's share this philosophy and implement it into the game. Unchecked dishonesty can promote the perception that one must cheat to remain competitive.
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 198	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:03:00 - [6] - Quote Implementation without tryouts and balancing is like building the house without foundation. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Corporation 1697	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:35:00 - [7] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The answer is: 42 Fixed. >Bastard I : "Cce me ne... futt! XD"
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 779	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:36:00 - [8] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The answer is: 42 Fixed. GÇª.? Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Kitt 514 True North. 121	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:40:00 - [9] - Quote Balancing is one of the most difficult things that a game designer can do. This game is fairly balanced. Really the only thing that is ridiculously out of balance atm is some aspects surrounding infantry and vehicle interactions. Some weapons ie: RR or LR can use some tweaking, but most things are fairly good.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 481	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:42:00 - [10] - Quote Would be easyer if they did weapon balance hotfix tweaks more often, nudge it up one week then down the next and repeate till you get it right. instead they do this ever few months rather than weeks so we are stuck with either the up swing or down for a long long time.

Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 137	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:43:00 - [11] - Quote Kitt 514 wrote: Balancing is one of the most difficult things that a game designer can do. This game is fairly balanced. Really the only thing that is ridiculously out of balance atm is some aspects surrounding infantry and vehicle interactions. Some weapons ie: RR or LR can use some tweaking, but most things are fairly good. That's exactly what I was referring to. Weapons, for better or worse, are balanced mostly. But the vehicles are not at all. "Anybody order chaos?"
Kitt 514 True North. 121	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:43:00 - [12] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Would be easyer if they did weapon balance hotfix tweaks more often, nudge it up one week then down the next and repeate till you get it right. instead they do this ever few months rather than weeks so we are stuck with either the up swing or down for a long long time. Be thankful you're getting rebalancing at all. It took CCP 9 years to rebalance some of the most basic ships in EVE.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 481	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:48:00 - [13] - Quote Kitt 514 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Would be easyer if they did weapon balance hotfix tweaks more often, nudge it up one week then down the next and repeate till you get it right. instead they do this ever few months rather than weeks so we are stuck with either the up swing or down for a long long time. Be thankful you're getting rebalancing at all. It took CCP 9 years to rebalance some of the most basic ships in EVE. I played eve for 8 years, and I agree, tho THeir current staff (CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie) tend to patch ships and weapons really regulary now, i remember when they added drones to the new stabber a few months after its inital rebalance because "data" said it was under preforming
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1486	Posted - 2014.02.23 03:53:00 - [14] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The answer is: 42 Fixed. GÇª.? 42 is the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything according to Douglas Adams "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy". it's an awesome read if you're into that sort of thing. it's like Monty Python in space. GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1780	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:10:00 - [15] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: The imbalance. Why? Why must there always be an overpowered item? Is balance that hard? Balance is hard. Frankly, CCP has wasted far too many resources on the pursuit of a phantasm, and instead should be investing heavily in to content. Balance is subjective, and by definition, unstable or at best, metastable. PVE would help alleviate the feelings of imbalance without having to constantly refactor previous work based on the current whims of the community. +1 What is Balanced to one person, is UP to another. Balance can only be determined if large amounts of people are experiencing the same issue. Scouts, for example. And then, you have to determine what is making the item so OP/UP. For example, Tanks being uncounterable when hardened, and the ability to be almost permanently hardened. Then, to what extent do you modify that variable before the OP item become UP. Its a very precise thing that takes time to figure out. Nobody wants another Flaylock or Laser Rifle on our hands. Looking for a Interesting Character Name? Why Not Zoidberg?
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 205	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:20:00 - [16] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The answer is: 42 Fixed. GÇª.? 42 is the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything according to Douglas Adams "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy". it's an awesome read if you're into that sort of thing. it's like Monty Python in space. How dare you, there is just one Monty Python Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 777	Posted - 2014.02.23 04:26:00 - [17] - Quote With every OP thing, there's a counter. Usually more fun than the OP thing. Psycho Scout The more I see the less I like, is it over yet? DONT. TOUCH. ME.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 869	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:13:00 - [18] - Quote Balance? If your sitting in the optimal range of an enemies weapon and your armed with a different ranged weapon then of course its imbalanced. If your fighting a guy with similar ranged weapons but he invested more SP into it then that is also imbalanced That's kinda the whole ******* point. - I can't stand the threads saying CR is OP. I have an alt that literally only has the basic unlocked and its shockingly awful. It's not OP but we've been waiting so long most vets got it unlocked + lvl 3-5 proficiency as well. If anything all you can say is that perhaps it levels up too well and that will be sorted when the damage mods ect get toned down "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 137	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:55:00 - [19] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Balance? If your sitting in the optimal range of an enemies weapon and your armed with a different ranged weapon then of course its imbalanced. If your fighting a guy with similar ranged weapons but he invested more SP into it then that is also imbalanced That's kinda the whole ******* point. - I can't stand the threads saying CR is OP. I have an alt that literally only has the basic unlocked and its shockingly awful. It's not OP but we've been waiting so long most vets got it unlocked + lvl 3-5 proficiency as well. If anything all you can say is that perhaps it levels up too well and that will be sorted when the damage mods ect get toned down Balance in general not your precious fotm?! Vehicle vs infantry imbalance is more of the issue. "Anybody order chaos?"
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 137	Posted - 2014.02.23 05:57:00 - [20] - Quote Some of you do love drinking the juice lol! Try seeing this game from the new guys point of view, not 40 mil sp land. "Anybody order chaos?"

COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 324	Posted - 2014.02.23 06:06:00 - [21] - Quote CCP are trying to balance an incomplete picture which is part of the problem. Getting all of the dropsuits, weapons, modules, equipment, vehicles and turrets needs to be a top priority. Once we have the complete picture then balance should be easier but right now they add abit then do some Matari duct tape style balancing, hoping it will hold ** together a bit longer. I can't wait till all that ** is in the game so that we can have a more holistic view of things instead of this patchwork blanket we have now. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
SHANN da MAN D3LTA FORC3 173	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:31:00 - [22] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The answer is: 42 Fixed. GÇª.? 42 is the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything according to Douglas Adams "the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy". it's an awesome read if you're into that sort of thing. it's like Monty Python in space. How dare you, there is just one Monty Python Actually there are 6 [correction, there were 6; 5 now, one died . They are on a "Monty Python Live ... (mostly)" Standup Tour in London] nothing to see here ... move along
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1299	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:37:00 - [23] - Quote Kitt 514 wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Would be easyer if they did weapon balance hotfix tweaks more often, nudge it up one week then down the next and repeate till you get it right. instead they do this ever few months rather than weeks so we are stuck with either the up swing or down for a long long time. Be thankful you're getting rebalancing at all. It took CCP 9 years to rebalance some of the most basic ships in EVE. I think ppl should understand that EVE had a lot of little things that were imbalanced or glitched or plain broken right up until the dommunity freaked out and revolted. They then implemented the 1000 papercuts plan. That was three years ago now? Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Scott Knight Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 49	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:43:00 - [24] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Balance? If your sitting in the optimal range of an enemies weapon and your armed with a different ranged weapon then of course its imbalanced. If your fighting a guy with similar ranged weapons but he invested more SP into it then that is also imbalanced That's kinda the whole ******* point. - I can't stand the threads saying CR is OP. I have an alt that literally only has the basic unlocked and its shockingly awful. It's not OP but we've been waiting so long most vets got it unlocked + lvl 3-5 proficiency as well. If anything all you can say is that perhaps it levels up too well and that will be sorted when the damage mods ect get toned down CR is horrible. I think it is the assault version that people find over powered.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2794	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:58:00 - [25] - Quote Because if the game was polished and balanced the forums would suck. I GÖú Kittens.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 137	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:00:00 - [26] - Quote Scott Knight wrote: Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Balance? If your sitting in the optimal range of an enemies weapon and your armed with a different ranged weapon then of course its imbalanced. If your fighting a guy with similar ranged weapons but he invested more SP into it then that is also imbalanced That's kinda the whole ******* point. - I can't stand the threads saying CR is OP. I have an alt that literally only has the basic unlocked and its shockingly awful. It's not OP but we've been waiting so long most vets got it unlocked + lvl 3-5 proficiency as well. If anything all you can say is that perhaps it levels up too well and that will be sorted when the damage mods ect get toned down CR is horrible. I think it is the assault version that people find over powered. I just think they need to stop trying so hard to bring in new gear before fixing and securing already existing gear. "Anybody order chaos?"
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1842	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:01:00 - [27] - Quote Kitt 514 wrote: Balancing is one of the most difficult things that a game designer can do. This game is fairly balanced. Really the only thing that is ridiculously out of balance atm is some aspects surrounding infantry and vehicle interactions. Some weapons ie: RR or LR can use some tweaking, but most things are fairly good. I would actually say that the game currently is quite imbalanced. That, still, is no reason to focus so heavily on balance. The game needs new content, and it needs it bad. Having a better balanced game isn't going to bring many new players, but adding a lot of content in will. Once we have things like all of the racial suits, gear, weapons, etc, plus a bunch more vehicles, plus PVE - then it's time to balance. PVE alone would relieve a lot of pressure on CCP to balance because players would have something else to do other than have terribly one sided battles all of the time. Balance is important, but not while the game still needs so much content.
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES 443	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:06:00 - [28] - Quote The reason we don't have balance is because the devs in charge of weapons, suits, and vehicles do not listen to us at all. This gold mine of feedback we give them is wasted. i nicknamed them the "tard team" a long time ago. It will remain so until they can release something without messing up 4 other things. Everything I say or do has the utmost importance.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines 469	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:12:00 - [29] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: The imbalance. Why? Why must there always be an overpowered item? Is balance that hard? Balancing a game is REALLY hard. Even more when like Dust you're bringing new items every 2 months AND with skills affecting them. Balancing a game like dust is really hard. You must take into account : Skills RoF AA Fitting cost. Ads etcetc.... It's 41000x harder to balance FPS like dust. Look all the FPS : COD / BF etcetc.... They don't even have the "fitting" the "skills" They don't have ehp values changing for everysuits. And they can't even balance their game in 3 years....With 200 person studios.....


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