DUST Search - General question: What is not broken in this game?

Martyr Saboteur wrote:

Off the top of my head...

Scrambler Pistol. This thing is amazing, it can absolutely slaughter any suit in the game faster then anything but an orbital, but it is balanced by 2 simple things. Magazine size, and headshots. Its mag is too small to kill many suits, but you can work around that drawback with skill, by shooting the enemy in the head.
Just to get this through, the ScP has been capable of 4000+ DPS since its release about 2 years ago, but it hasn't been considered very unbalanced yet, because it requires skill to obtain that DPS.

SMG. Its a spray n' pray weapon, and it does its job really well. Its a weapon anyone can pick up and understand immediately, because there is nothing complex about it.
Someone said that it is UP because the Combat Rifle uses less resources than it, they are wrong. The Combat Rilfe doesn't use enough resources if you ask me. The SMG was released first, just because another weapon comes along that is better than it doesn't mean that it suddenly becomes UP, it means that the other weapon is OP.

Scrambler Rifle...almost. This thing is so close to being balanced, that I can't blame CCP for not seeing that it is OP. All it needs is to have its RoF toned down by about 15-25% to cut back on any modded controller abuse that may be happening. That's it. The weapon when used with human hands instead of modded hardware is fine, but it has too much excess RoF. Its overheat and semiautomatic nature keeps its high DPS from being truly OP.

Rail Rifle. This weapon is the best balanced weapon in the game. Its spool-up time keeps it from being used in close quarters, and its slow RoF keeps it from dealing too much damage. It also takes a lot of skill to effectively use it, and only the best players in the game can use it effectively.... Just kidding, this thing needs to be nerfed into the ground. Lol.

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Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1358	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:35:00 - [1] - Quote So, logged on to play some games yesterday. Ragequitted after an hour or so because the game is just sht right now. During that hour, I started thinking about the state of the game, and I want to ask the community: What is not broken in this game?* I came up with the following things that seem to be well balanced (not OP, not UP): - Assault Rifle (plasma) - SMG - Grenades (flux/locus/AV) Is there any game mode that doesnt have general flaws? Sorry, I just feel very bitter about this game right now.... CCP has been working on the core mechanics ("eating our vegetables rather than desert") of this game for months without results. Kind of makes me sad, because the game was at least playable in the beginning of Uprising. "CCP - Working on the (d)evolution of Dust 514." Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
Benjamin Heisenberg NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 8	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:36:00 - [2] - Quote The Aur market! 'If thatGÇÖs true, if you donGÇÖt know who I am, then maybe your best courseGÇª would be to tread lightly.GÇÖ
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 430	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:41:00 - [3] - Quote YOUR WRONG :D Assault rifle should be called plasma rifle, also it should overheat Grenade spam SMG should be MUCH less requied to fit, It is a projectile weapon and it requies more then CR So ha! Everything is broken "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 176	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:41:00 - [4] - Quote Afking is not broken. R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2021	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:42:00 - [5] - Quote Assault Rifles and SMG's are broken, just like any HROF weapon. Grenades are Ok now that lag bombs have been fixed the spam is less. The only things I would say works are the HMG and the Forge Gun(against infantry) Combat Engineer in training. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl 2.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 966	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:42:00 - [6] - Quote LAV's Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
Benjamin Heisenberg NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 8	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:45:00 - [7] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: LAV's I must say... You are right. short,sweet,and true. Kudos 'If thatGÇÖs true, if you donGÇÖt know who I am, then maybe your best courseGÇª would be to tread lightly.GÇÖ
PO0KY Virtual Syndicate 460	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:50:00 - [8] - Quote Everything's broken? Everything?! I don't think everything's broken, maybe you're just bad.
Spartacus Dust The-Legionnaires The CORVOS 126	Posted - 2014.02.22 11:50:00 - [9] - Quote Tactics and teamwork isn't broken. Player comprehension of tactics and teamwork on the other hand :P Twitter @Matthew_Dust Candidate for the CPM1 One Universe//One War
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 574	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:11:00 - [10] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: SMG should be MUCH less requied to fit, It is a projectile weapon and it requies more then CR The SMG eats through all comers. So does the CR. The CR needs higher fitting costs, really. Projectile weapons have the lowest fitting costs in EVE, but also have the highest reload time (along with missiles) and a whole bunch of other things that don't translate well to DUST 514. I contribute nothing.

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2750	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:12:00 - [11] - Quote Lighting. I GÖú Kittens.
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 92	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:44:00 - [12] - Quote Forge damage against infantry... Exactly what it should be... Now if I could just add a scope....
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 91	Posted - 2014.02.22 12:54:00 - [13] - Quote The sky boxes look nice. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
Alternate Insano SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD 140	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:05:00 - [14] - Quote Here's a thought. You paid nothing for this game. You can't figure out that it's more of a 'do step A then step B then step C to win' kind of game than a shooting game. My 7 yr old loves DUST because of this. If his little predeveloped mind can figure this out, why can't the rest of you? Oh, yeah, I almost forgot.... Can I have your ISK? DUST 514 Super Scrub Level 262 Forum Troll Play, or play not. There is no balance.
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 261	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:13:00 - [15] - Quote The music? I wouldn't even know, I play with it off. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1781	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:25:00 - [16] - Quote AR? LOL GUESS WHAT WE QQed ABOUT IN 1.6 AND ALSO GOT BUFFED IT WASN'T TANKS. ALSO LOL CORE LOCUS Forge on for great justice! Defend the meek! Destroy the weak! Q-sync breaches into the rectum of everyone else!
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1686	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:29:00 - [17] - Quote HMG and Forge Gun (excluding breach) are pretty well balanced now, actually... Strong, but not rage post inducing. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Scheherazade VII 234	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:35:00 - [18] - Quote Even aiming doesn't work, your aim still gets thrown all over the place when moving up or down a hill. When you try to press yourself up against an object to shoot over, your crosshair goes BELOW your gun! It's buggy and unacceptable! And what about the floating grass and muddy textures? DUST is still in beta. Basic movement is still a chore, it's very difficult traversing rocks etc Also you still cannot jump over a 2 foot high barrier! It's pathetic! Super soldiers in space? Non-human beings and yet we have earth-like gravity and somehow can't jump over a barrier! What would be wrong with programming a "hurdle" animation like in every popular FPS game? Why are there no weapon attachments? Why does my GEK have a scope attached to it in the preview?
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 92	Posted - 2014.02.22 13:44:00 - [19] - Quote The ladders work as intended... Oh wait, sometimes they're buggy and won't let you get on them when you need to in a hurry... never mind.
Sgt Buttscratch KILL-EM-QUICK 1738	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:08:00 - [20] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: YOUR WRONG :D Assault rifle should be called plasma rifle, also it should overheat Grenade spam SMG should be MUCH less requied to fit, It is a projectile weapon and it requies more then CR So ha! Everything is broken AR can overheat Thats not the SMG, the CR needs raising I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans

Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1360	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:10:00 - [21] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: You paid nothing for this game. Assumption wrong! Drop it like its hat. CCP - Working hard on the (d)evolution of Dust 514 since 2013.
axu jen The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 9	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:17:00 - [22] - Quote Alternate Insano wrote: Here's a thought. You paid nothing for this game. You can't figure out that it's more of a 'do step A then step B then step C to win' kind of game than a shooting game. My 7 yr old loves DUST because of this. If his little predeveloped mind can figure this out, why can't the rest of you? Oh, yeah, I almost forgot.... Can I have your ISK? Heres a thought, your play time benefits CCP. Like the old saying goes, if the product is free that means you're the product. AUR are not going to play alone, and sure i shouldn't expect anything from CCP, but then CCP shouldn't expect people to stick around and put up with their crap.
Templar XVX Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:18:00 - [23] - Quote reminds me of what my son said while trying to get him on the game... the 2 of us were playing and having a good time and I said "now imagine if we had more people on Dust ?" he said "now imagine if Dust worked ?" there was no reply as I turned off the game and we went outside....
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 133	Posted - 2014.02.22 14:33:00 - [24] - Quote Off the top of my head... Scrambler Pistol. This thing is amazing, it can absolutely slaughter any suit in the game faster then anything but an orbital, but it is balanced by 2 simple things. Magazine size, and headshots. Its mag is too small to kill many suits, but you can work around that drawback with skill, by shooting the enemy in the head. Just to get this through, the ScP has been capable of 4000+ DPS since its release about 2 years ago, but it hasn't been considered very unbalanced yet, because it requires skill to obtain that DPS. SMG. Its a spray n' pray weapon, and it does its job really well. Its a weapon anyone can pick up and understand immediately, because there is nothing complex about it. Someone said that it is UP because the Combat Rifle uses less resources than it, they are wrong. The Combat Rilfe doesn't use enough resources if you ask me. The SMG was released first, just because another weapon comes along that is better than it doesn't mean that it suddenly becomes UP, it means that the other weapon is OP. Scrambler Rifle...almost. This thing is so close to being balanced, that I can't blame CCP for not seeing that it is OP. All it needs is to have its RoF toned down by about 15-25% to cut back on any modded controller abuse that may be happening. That's it. The weapon when used with human hands instead of modded hardware is fine, but it has too much excess RoF. Its overheat and semiautomatic nature keeps its high DPS from being truly OP. Rail Rifle. This weapon is the best balanced weapon in the game. Its spool-up time keeps it from being used in close quarters, and its slow RoF keeps it from dealing too much damage. It also takes a lot of skill to effectively use it, and only the best players in the game can use it effectively.... Just kidding, this thing needs to be nerfed into the ground. Lol. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 2108	Posted - 2014.02.22 15:19:00 - [25] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Off the top of my head... Scrambler Pistol. This thing is amazing, it can absolutely slaughter any suit in the game faster then anything but an orbital, but it is balanced by 2 simple things. Magazine size, and headshots. Its mag is too small to kill many suits, but you can work around that drawback with skill, by shooting the enemy in the head. Just to get this through, the ScP has been capable of 4000+ DPS since its release about 2 years ago, but it hasn't been considered very unbalanced yet, because it requires skill to obtain that DPS. SMG. Its a spray n' pray weapon, and it does its job really well. Its a weapon anyone can pick up and understand immediately, because there is nothing complex about it. Someone said that it is UP because the Combat Rifle uses less resources than it, they are wrong. The Combat Rilfe doesn't use enough resources if you ask me. The SMG was released first, just because another weapon comes along that is better than it doesn't mean that it suddenly becomes UP, it means that the other weapon is OP. Scrambler Rifle...almost. This thing is so close to being balanced, that I can't blame CCP for not seeing that it is OP. All it needs is to have its RoF toned down by about 15-25% to cut back on any modded controller abuse that may be happening. That's it. The weapon when used with human hands instead of modded hardware is fine, but it has too much excess RoF. Its overheat and semiautomatic nature keeps its high DPS from being truly OP. Rail Rifle. This weapon is the best balanced weapon in the game. Its spool-up time keeps it from being used in close quarters, and its slow RoF keeps it from dealing too much damage. It also takes a lot of skill to effectively use it, and only the best players in the game can use it effectively.... Just kidding, this thing needs to be nerfed into the ground. Lol. You had me for a second there... Well played, sir. I agree with all of your non-trolling points 100%. I'd also say the heavy weapons are pretty well balanced too. Two additional thoughts: AR is also thisclose. Drop the range and up the DPS (relative to the other rifles, that is) a few percent and it's solid. It also needs it's name to be changed. Sniper rifle needs a little tweak to hit detection and then it's totally fine too. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.2 Amarr victor!


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