DUST Search - Lack of Corporate Espionage and Meta

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

And nobody takes me up on this stuff either. It's easy!

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

Working with [Challenge 3] Betray your Corporation for Great Prizes, I am writing these two new objectives.

Corporate Dossier Disclosure
-Photograph the primary corporate hierarchy including CEOs, Directors, and Accountants. Names must be visible however, you may post these images under a burner account to avoid suspicion for your deeds.
-Reward: 14 tickets for delivery.
-Bonus: +2 Tickets for every 10 members that exist in the corp. For example, a corporation such a KILL-EM-QUICK with 651 member would net 130 additional bonus tickets.
-Secondary Bonus: I will award an additional 30 tickets for completing a full list with correctly corresponding PSN IDs.

-Additional Points: The corporation must contain a minimum of 10 members and be at least 30 full days old. Yes, I'm going to make it a tad more difficult on you shell corp opperators Big smile

. Dustboard and other investigative methods will be utilized before authorization of ticket payment. You may still create shell corporation, however, there is a 'cooling off period.'

Corporate Sightseer
Challenge Type: Best in Show
-Three days before the lottery drawing show that you have the longest employment history (most number of unique corporations) of any merc to claim the contract.
-Use this post as a point of reference for size.
-Reward: 80 Tickets + 15 Bonus for first submission above 60 corporations.

Dossier

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Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1113	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:21:00 - [1] - Quote By this time in Dust, I've imagined that we would be knee deep into espionage. Not simply because this is New Eden but because we were actually working towards big spy rings and black collar work. Remember S.I. and Jenza sending out those AWOXers when PC first came around? I believe a many corps had trouble initially getting into PC because of that. In fact, the Golden Age of Planetary Conquest was really muddy and dirty. Backstabbing and lying and whatnot. It was hard to keep your hands clean when you needed to do otherwise to get an advantage on corps. Really quirky times back then. Or remember people stealing ISK from corps to place into other corps and not just doing it because they can or simply got pissed at the CEO? Made you really watch your back or play dirty with the worst of them. Or do you remember those few moments where there were actual information leaks? I remember one time where General Tso's Dust side PC plans were outed due to one Mithidrates IV. Or how about The Info Broker. Some people loved him, some people hated him, others found him to be quite annoying. Before his alter-ego was revealed, he brought up a few accusations that shook Molden Heath(People will deny it but there was plenty of talking going on about his "leaks," to say the least). But blah, none of that is going down today. Even the Eon War, which is no doubt still a big war no matter how you slice it, didn't have much Espionage going down. It was simply Big Guy vs Little Guy. Why have we made such a drastic turn from back then? Right now, it seems like everyone's shaking hands and kissing ass . That's not how it was last year. Some of us were really at each other's ******* throats. It was brutal . And on that note, why did we never have a corp dedicated to Espionage and Intel Selling? Seemed like the perfect idea. A neutral corporation who sells information to whoever wants it for a certain price, making their own prices. Hiring people or simply just buying this information from corporation members to hold for later selling. The only thing such a corporation would have to worry about is tarnishing it's brand of service. tl;dr: YOU GUYS SUCK "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2764	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:22:00 - [2] - Quote So much, Dust is pretty boring meta-game wise. Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2152	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:28:00 - [3] - Quote And nobody takes me up on this stuff either. It's easy! Jadek Menaheim wrote: Working with [Challenge 3] Betray your Corporation for Great Prizes, I am writing these two new objectives. Corporate Dossier Disclosure -Photograph the primary corporate hierarchy including CEOs, Directors, and Accountants. Names must be visible however, you may post these images under a burner account to avoid suspicion for your deeds. -Reward: 14 tickets for delivery. -Bonus: +2 Tickets for every 50 members that exist in the corp. For example, a corporation such a KILL-EM-QUICK with 651 member would net 26 additional bonus tickets. -Secondary Bonus: I will award an additional 10 tickets for completing a full list with correctly corresponding PSN IDs. -Additional Points: The corporation must contain a minimum of 10 members and be at least 30 full days old. Yes, I'm going to make it a tad more difficult on you shell corp opperators . Dustboard and other investigative methods will be utilized before authorization of ticket payment. You may still create shell corporation, however, there is a 'cooling off period.' Corporate Sightseer Challenge Type: Best in Show -Three days before the lottery drawing show that you have the longest employment history (most number of *unique* corporations) of any merc to claim the contract. -Use this post as a point of reference for size. -Reward: 20 Tickets + 15 Bonus for first submission above 60 corporations. Dossier - War Ravens - - - - - - - Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1115	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:31:00 - [4] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: And nobody takes me up on this stuff either. It's easy! Jadek Menaheim wrote: Working with [Challenge 3] Betray your Corporation for Great Prizes, I am writing these two new objectives. Corporate Dossier Disclosure -Photograph the primary corporate hierarchy including CEOs, Directors, and Accountants. Names must be visible however, you may post these images under a burner account to avoid suspicion for your deeds. -Reward: 14 tickets for delivery. -Bonus: +2 Tickets for every 50 members that exist in the corp. For example, a corporation such a KILL-EM-QUICK with 651 member would net 26 additional bonus tickets. -Secondary Bonus: I will award an additional 10 tickets for completing a full list with correctly corresponding PSN IDs. -Additional Points: The corporation must contain a minimum of 10 members and be at least 30 full days old. Yes, I'm going to make it a tad more difficult on you shell corp opperators . Dustboard and other investigative methods will be utilized before authorization of ticket payment. You may still create shell corporation, however, there is a 'cooling off period.' Corporate Sightseer Challenge Type: Best in Show -Three days before the lottery drawing show that you have the longest employment history (most number of *unique* corporations) of any merc to claim the contract. -Use this post as a point of reference for size. -Reward: 20 Tickets + 15 Bonus for first submission above 60 corporations. Dossier - War Ravens - - - - - - - O_o Forgot all about this but ugh, shouldn't the information not be publicly available? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2154	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:36:00 - [5] - Quote Sure, but in the spirit of democratizing espionage, this public directory can help anyone contact these players to switch allegiance or participate in a join scam. Edit: I made a change to sweeten the ticket deal. -Bonus: +2 Tickets for every 10 members that exist in the corp. For example, a corporation such a KILL-EM-QUICK with 651 member would net 130 additional bonus tickets. -Secondary Bonus: I will award an additional 30 tickets for completing a full list with correctly corresponding PSN IDs. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1995	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:39:00 - [6] - Quote I lack the funding and resources to start anything at this point. KRRROOOOOOM
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3265	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:44:00 - [7] - Quote lol and you ask this where folks make threads about listing people who TK in FW and such. The majority of the console community isn't ready for that and would cry that it is unfair. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 989	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:45:00 - [8] - Quote Some of us are not douchebags. Who wants some?
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2713	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:47:00 - [9] - Quote Who's to say I haven't been running a female Caldari alt on another PSN account since late Chromosome, and have recently positioned myself for a Director's position? Just prior to leaving this unsaid corp with 1 ISK in the wallet, I'm going trade its districts for petty items just to rub their noses in it. Why? All because somebody ran their mouth in a poorly written hatemail a little too much. So what, I'm spiteful and vengeful? Try to catch me giving a **. I don't take ** from anyone. Ever. I GÖú Kittens.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2155	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:51:00 - [10] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Who's to say I haven't been running a female Caldari alt on another PSN account since late Chromosome, and have recently positioned myself for a Director's position? Just prior to leaving this unsaid corp with 1 ISK in the wallet, I'm going trade its districts for petty items just to rub their noses in it. Why? All because somebody ran their mouth in a poorly written hatemail a little too much. So what, I'm spiteful and vengeful? Try to catch me giving a **. I don't take ** from anyone. Ever. I wish this guy came back to Dust, then again, are you YoutubableHD? Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...

Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2764	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:58:00 - [11] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: And nobody takes me up on this stuff either. It's easy! Jadek Menaheim wrote: Working with [Challenge 3] Betray your Corporation for Great Prizes, I am writing these two new objectives. Corporate Dossier Disclosure -Photograph the primary corporate hierarchy including CEOs, Directors, and Accountants. Names must be visible however, you may post these images under a burner account to avoid suspicion for your deeds. -Reward: 14 tickets for delivery. -Bonus: +2 Tickets for every 10 members that exist in the corp. For example, a corporation such a KILL-EM-QUICK with 651 member would net 130 additional bonus tickets. -Secondary Bonus: I will award an additional 30 tickets for completing a full list with correctly corresponding PSN IDs. -Additional Points: The corporation must contain a minimum of 10 members and be at least 30 full days old. Yes, I'm going to make it a tad more difficult on you shell corp opperators . Dustboard and other investigative methods will be utilized before authorization of ticket payment. You may still create shell corporation, however, there is a 'cooling off period.' Corporate Sightseer Challenge Type: Best in Show -Three days before the lottery drawing show that you have the longest employment history (most number of *unique* corporations) of any merc to claim the contract. -Use this post as a point of reference for size. -Reward: 80 Tickets + 15 Bonus for first submission above 60 corporations. Dossier - War Ravens - - - - - - - I'm sure if you ask corps they will just tell you who there directors are, it is no big secret... Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1117	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:58:00 - [12] - Quote I'd actually get into full fledge spying if most of my friends and allies disappeared from the game. Would be fun but at the same time, I wouldn't want to be putting my pals in bad situation for my business. Plus that would also mean there's less people who remember how my voice sounds. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 184	Posted - 2014.02.21 02:58:00 - [13] - Quote Because nothing is of consequence at the moment. When compared to the vast ocean of opportunity, politics, and potential that is EVE , DUST is a small aquarium; decorated with cheap plastic treasure chests and other trappings that only pay homage to the greater game. If DUST were to matter to New Eden -- if it mattered to the power blocs and the industrialists, and not just a couple of pew-pew players.... *Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur*
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1118	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:02:00 - [14] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: Because nothing is of consequence at the moment. When compared to the vast ocean of opportunity, politics, and potential that is EVE , DUST is a small aquarium; decorated with cheap plastic treasure chests and other trappings that only pay homage to the greater game. If DUST were to matter to New Eden -- if it mattered to the power blocs and the industrialists, and not just a couple of pew-pew players.... I'd argue differently on the "smaller bowl" issue, especially with evidence beforehand of Espionage back when PC first started. Having an expanded game and the rest of New Eden looking to infiltrate Dust corps would help but the overall issue is that Dust players aren't doing it. Kinda hope in the future that someone takes the initiative and do it. Maybe one day, I'll step into those shoes... "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 246	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:03:00 - [15] - Quote i may or may not have several psn's with accounts older than my main.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2765	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:06:00 - [16] - Quote Getting a spy into a dust corp is one of the simplest things anyone can do, damn near all dust corps have sh*tty counter-intel and background checks... Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
tastzlike chicken ROGUE SPADES 184	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:10:00 - [17] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: Because nothing is of consequence at the moment. When compared to the vast ocean of opportunity, politics, and potential that is EVE , DUST is a small aquarium; decorated with cheap plastic treasure chests and other trappings that only pay homage to the greater game. If DUST were to matter to New Eden -- if it mattered to the power blocs and the industrialists, and not just a couple of pew-pew players.... I'd argue differently on the "smaller bowl" issue, especially with evidence beforehand of Espionage back when PC first started. Having an expanded game and the rest of New Eden looking to infiltrate Dust corps would help but the overall issue is that Dust players aren't doing it. Kinda hope in the future that someone takes the initiative and do it. Maybe one day, I'll step into those shoes... Would you burn a 'toon for what is on the table now, or would you wait ? *Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur*
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1118	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:10:00 - [18] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Getting a spy into a dust corp is one of the simplest things anyone can do, damn near all dust corps have sh*tty counter-intel and background checks... Lol that's exactly what I'm thinking. Anyone could join a corp and make side money by selling information. Right now it wouldn't be as lucrative but if something like a war breaks out, it would be quality pay. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 2768	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:13:00 - [19] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Getting a spy into a dust corp is one of the simplest things anyone can do, damn near all dust corps have sh*tty counter-intel and background checks... Lol that's exactly what I'm thinking. Anyone could join a corp and make side money by selling information. Right now it wouldn't be as lucrative but if something like a war breaks out, it would be quality pay. Yeah if they fix PC and war is something that will occur selling intel might become a good gig. Templar BPO(375Mil) EVE Pilot I feed off your tears
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1118	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:13:00 - [20] - Quote tastzlike chicken wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: tastzlike chicken wrote: Because nothing is of consequence at the moment. When compared to the vast ocean of opportunity, politics, and potential that is EVE , DUST is a small aquarium; decorated with cheap plastic treasure chests and other trappings that only pay homage to the greater game. If DUST were to matter to New Eden -- if it mattered to the power blocs and the industrialists, and not just a couple of pew-pew players.... I'd argue differently on the "smaller bowl" issue, especially with evidence beforehand of Espionage back when PC first started. Having an expanded game and the rest of New Eden looking to infiltrate Dust corps would help but the overall issue is that Dust players aren't doing it. Kinda hope in the future that someone takes the initiative and do it. Maybe one day, I'll step into those shoes... Would you burn a 'toon for what is on the table now, or would you wait ? Burn? You mean reveal myself as a spy? Nah but I wouldn't need to do that lol. Just make another toon on another account and use it as a mediator. Of course we'd have to run through different security measures just to make sure when we can track who's getting ISK from where, it doesn't connect directly to both accounts. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 1148	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:45:00 - [21] - Quote As others have said, the meta of DUST 514 is far below that of EVE, and lacking in many parts. DUST CEOs lack key features that EVE players can do, prime example shares. An EVE player can buy all the shares for a DUST corp and hijack it, and the DUST CEO can only sit there and watch as his corp is no longer his own due to factors he couldn't control at all. And really, espionage is redicilously easy, because proper background checks are non-existent due to lack of API. And really, there isn't much need for espionage, the only thing you can really steal is ISK in some form or another, which has lost its value quite a bit due to PC. Heck, the biggest impact you can ever make to New Eden as a DUST player is through FW. Nullsec power blocs we can only ever dream of affecting. Don't forget the fact that not a lot of guys here haven't played EVE, and aren't aware of its embrace of the meta. When someone betrays their trust, steals all the ISK and disbands the corp, they cry that its unfair on the forums. Even some of the big corps have this mentality of death before dishonor, which has led to their doom(ANONYMOUS, anyone?). I don't think that DUST is really ready for the full scale meta EVE holds. And to note about FW teamkillers, there is a fine line between using game mechanics to give you an advantage through unusual methods, and abusing mechanics to grief players for the lulz(shotgun needle guys definitely fall into this category). Just keeping one person from doing anything for a battle is hardly going to make a difference. If I really wanted to make an impact in FW through non-conventional means, I wouldn't just go there by myself using a shotgun and a needle. I'd get my friends, form a squad and make strategic strikes throughout the match to let the enemy overrun heavily defended positions, and let them win the match. If I wanted to disrupt my squad, I could "accidentally" drop a remote and oops, I just blew up the whole squad. Sorry! I could aim that OB on a friendly location and kill everyone if I wanted do. If I had many friends, I'd q-sync all of them and tell them to do absolutely nothing, let the enemy win. Heck, I could get my EVE friends in space to get to those planets and blow up the guys setting up for OBs and replace them with my own. I could infiltrate the enemy ranks and lead the OB support to a trap, while my own forces get ready. My schemes could be countered too, maybe that trap was actually a counter-trap, and while we fight on the ground the OB support instead selects another squad for OB support, and bombards us to death. This all could be just as well be applied to PC. THAT is the meta I want to see in this game, and most likely the vision CCP has. Month-long schemes to gain an enemy's trust, and betraying them at the critical moment when they are the most vulnerable, not running around aimlessly griefing people with a shotgun and a needle. But the point still stands that there is hardly no benefit at all to doing all this. Elaborate schemes are too troublesome and too time-consuming, when the only commodity you have are ISK and PC districts. When we get things line open-player market, nullsec integration to PC, ability to select which planets to fight on in FW and generally make DUST impact EVE a lot more, then we can start using the meta to its fullest capacity. Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Feb. 10th
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1671	Posted - 2014.02.21 03:49:00 - [22] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Some of us are not douchebags. Douchebag. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2720	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:32:00 - [23] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Who's to say I haven't been running a female Caldari alt on another PSN account since late Chromosome, and have recently positioned myself for a Director's position? Just prior to leaving this unsaid corp with 1 ISK in the wallet, I'm going trade its districts for petty items just to rub their noses in it. Why? All because somebody ran their mouth in a poorly written hatemail a little too much. So what, I'm spiteful and vengeful? Try to catch me giving a **. I don't take ** from anyone. Ever. I wish this guy came back to Dust, then again, are you YoutubableHD? Men in their late teens and early twenties are profoundly gullible. I GÖú Kittens.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2675	Posted - 2014.02.21 15:38:00 - [24] - Quote There is nothing to gain If you have access to the wallet then you may get alot of ISK but thats it You cant transfer districts to another corp/alliance You cant steal items You cant disband an alliance Your hands are tied, even information about movement of a corp or alliance doesnt matter because those who are in control of PC are strong enough to deal with anything right now Intelligence is OP
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 2156	Posted - 2014.02.21 23:25:00 - [25] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I'm sure if you ask corps they will just tell you who there directors are, it is no big secret... Sure, but I am looking for all identifiable roles that CCP has currently unlocked for dust toon. In other news a nifty thing you can do for do corporate sabotage is get an Eve pilot with corporate management skills to impart their ability to boost dust corp numbers. On the back end very few dust bunnies understand how shares work in this arangement. Video: I don't always fight dropships, but when I do...


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