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Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 111	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:32:00 - [1] - Quote It's just common sense. I'm not going to stick around when I'm at a disadvantage so you can have your "fair fight". I'm going to run away and come back to hit you when your guard is down. Sorry if that offends your sense of bushido...
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 475	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:35:00 - [2] - Quote So who called you a scrub for running away? I haven't failed 10,000 times, i've successfully found 10,000 ways that won't work. Thomas Edison
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 314	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:35:00 - [3] - Quote I'm a man! * runs into a large group * **** this i'm not a man! * runs away and links up with a big group of allies * Okay, now I can be a man! jk lol Outsmarting your foe is the way to go CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 32	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:36:00 - [4] - Quote As a scout I'm a perma scrub then
Philipp Achtel Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 111	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:36:00 - [5] - Quote Dunk Mujunk wrote: So who called you a scrub for running away? It seems to be one of the standard lines around here. "I shot at that guy and he ran away like a *****." and so on.
Trenix Keltron Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 72	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:41:00 - [6] - Quote Intelligence over barrage onslaught...you'll live longer and save ISK. OUKH corporation recruitment active. Initiate enlistment protocols. The future is now
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1268	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote In the Marines we had a name for the guys that didn't run away GÇö "dead" Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Reapers' Assailant 742	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:52:00 - [8] - Quote As Phage said, as a scout, attacking head-on is... no. People forget its called 'tactical retreat' or 'regrouping' not 'i'm a scrub.' But most people that say that are cowards anyway. But what about the people that are retreating and they shoot you in the back? FlayLock Pistol Explosives and knives are my thing, Call me Psycho Scout Give me parkour and Bow&Arrows CCP
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 414	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:53:00 - [9] - Quote Yep! Never hug a heavy... they dont like the love.. Gÿé Syeven 514
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 3169	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:54:00 - [10] - Quote As a Nova knife scout this makes me the ultimate of all scrubs :) "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficiency 5 \o/

Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 303	Posted - 2014.02.20 00:57:00 - [11] - Quote Can't help but notice the large number of minmatars here. It is called hit and run for a reason...
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 268	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:04:00 - [12] - Quote I chuckle to myself whenever I read somebody whining and ranting about the enemy running away. I mean, do people seriously expect me to just sit there and just let them pound me with a Forge Gun and Swarms? ** no, I'm getting the hell out of there. Oh I ran into the Redline to cool off my modules? No ! I want to minimize the window in which I'm at my most vulnerable. I get overpowered and am forced to waddle my fatsuit to cover so I can recharge my shields and then you up because you followed me like an idiot and you're now 5m in front of my hungry HMG? I'm so *** sorry that I'd rather survive than sacrifice myself to your delusions of honor. FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!**
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 369	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:08:00 - [13] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: It's just common sense. I'm not going to stick around when I'm at a disadvantage so you can have your "fair fight". I'm going to run away and come back to hit you when your guard is down. Sorry if that offends your sense of bushido... I'm sorry if you're a proto CR/RR Gallogi/heavy and you turn to run away from the business end of a militia fit rifle. You're scrubby and I'm calling you out. 32db Mad Bomber.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1658	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:24:00 - [14] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Yep! Never hug a heavy... they dont like the love.. No no, by all means, please do. I love getting hugs. My hungry, hungry HMG concurs. All seriousness: I have less respect for the players who stand and fight me than the ones who use tactics, run away and juke to defeat my fatness. The best fight I ever had was a 1v1 with a Scout on the rooftop of the Gallente communications map. He had an AR, I had FG and SMG. He'd chip away at me, flee to the various cover, and come back to hit me once his faster-charging shields were up. It was a war of attrition slogfest, like DUST chess. And the Scout finally won in 5% armor. He got a well-deserved GG mail from me at the end. (If I had only cooked my last grenade a half-second longer...) I figured I was the "boss fight" of that match. Anyway, keep running away. The very best players in this game do the same. I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1382	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:25:00 - [15] - Quote Knowing when to retreat and when to attack is part of being a good player. It's something I struggle with myself. I just can't help but attack 4 people at once. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Yeeeuuuupppp KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 104	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:43:00 - [16] - Quote Apparently everything is being a scrub nowadays.. Driving a tank : Scrub. Take someone's car after they die : Scrub. ACcidentally killing your blues: Scrub. Corporation ads in local : Scrub. This community is ****** when this game takes a giant turn.. My Minnie is friendly.. don't worry, I don't bite. I slash. Novice incubus pilot. Feel the wrath of my troll.
Dheez Kinsho Swords Caldari State 71	Posted - 2014.02.20 01:44:00 - [17] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Yep! Never hug a heavy... they dont like the love.. Yep, They're the 'Steak & Beer' kinda folks.
Asher Night Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:32:00 - [18] - Quote This game is just a big cluster **** of paper-rock-scsissors. You might have what beats the enemy, you might not. If you have the exact same aim, and the exact same hit points, and the exact same weapon as an enemy, and he has a weapon modifier, you lose - not because you didn't have the skill, but because he could deal more damage. This FPS requires probably some of the least skill and most luck/coincidence you can find in an FPS. I rarely feel as though I 'outskilled' an enemy when I kill them. I only feel like I rolled a higher number in dice, if that makes any sense. Of course if you run around with an RR or a tank then you are basically taking all the dice and manually putting them with the 6 side up.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5280	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:34:00 - [19] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Knowing when to retreat and when to attack is part of being a good player. It's something I struggle with myself. I just can't help but attack 4 people at once. This, also inb4sometopplayerthatsaysrunningawayisforpussies (although I'd consider Protocake a top player, so what I mean by that is some other top player besides him). Fatal Absolution's official bench warmer (scoot over Faquira) and mascot I go negative in PC, yay
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1264	Posted - 2014.02.20 02:40:00 - [20] - Quote standing toe to toe unless your confident your rocking the most damage and health is silly and not worth the risk.. Anyone can land some headshots and put anyone down. It's why I was hated in Counter-strike.. I would rather shoot someone through a wall then give them a chance to even glance at me and return fire. Basically Always use *THIS* as your strategy in DUST.

Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 241	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:20:00 - [21] - Quote Pester large groups of enemies. Fall back and shoot from cover as they advance profit
PAXTON HAILFIRE Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.02.20 03:52:00 - [22] - Quote I used to run away often, but I was always chased down and slaughtered anyway. Now I prefer to die face to face. I'll retreat if I can, but its an awareness issue. Gotta have somewhere to fall back to. Usually its turn corner and, "oh shitaki mushroom, heavy. Run! Damn AV nades"
Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1373	Posted - 2014.02.20 04:12:00 - [23] - Quote Philipp Achtel wrote: It's just common sense. I'm not going to stick around when I'm at a disadvantage so you can have your "fair fight". I'm going to run away and come back to hit you when your guard is down. Sorry if that offends your sense of bushido... Excellent tactic. What some people call "cowardice", I call "baiting". Smart players utilize this tactic. Chase me if you want...if I find cover, it won't end well for you. Promise. PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
neausea 1987 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 43	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:49:00 - [24] - Quote running away as a tactic shows the intellegence to discern between dying and trying, i run scout so i know this first hand lets not stand here and get shot to hell so i can be a +1 on their kill list. (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ what i do to proto suit users
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1234	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:54:00 - [25] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: As a scout I'm a perma scrub then This. We don't have any options. A nanohive has more health than us... If you're a combat scout with health enhancers, that's a different story.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6677	Posted - 2014.02.20 05:56:00 - [26] - Quote That's fine, you have a brave armor tanker to make sure everyone can retreat. I always stand and fight even with low HP if it means survival of a squad mate. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 294	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:08:00 - [27] - Quote As a scout it's funny seeing people run from you and another scout. I forgot who was with me but we seen a heavy and the heavy took out waddling away. It was strange but funny. Like dude your hp is more than us combined.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 367	Posted - 2014.02.20 06:42:00 - [28] - Quote I don't know where all you other scouts find the time to run away. I am usually dead before I know I am being shot at. Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 290	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:12:00 - [29] - Quote Discretion is the better part of valor. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 9786	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:18:00 - [30] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Knowing when to retreat and when to attack is part of being a good player. It's something I struggle with myself. I just can't help but attack 4 people at once. This, also inb4sometopplayerthatsaysrunningawayisforpussies (although I'd consider Protocake a top player, so what I mean by that is some other top player besides him). Running away is for scrubs! ... Like me. ZATARA CARRIES US ALL Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution MAG Raven

Dengru Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 425	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:21:00 - [31] - Quote it's a bit lame to perma scan the enemy, wade in an out of red dots with your DMG modded rifle.. sit at insane ranges, or on buildings but run away when you are you forced into a mid range or cqc 1v1. I never run from 1v1 with people I recognize, and often don't have the option to since the amount of DMG people can do before you can press sprint... so I always notice which players which will literally run away, bunny hop while spraying and flinging grenades the moment their 0.1 sec ttk duck hunt is interrupted... as opposed to the players who immediately fall into a strafe of some kind and handle the fight with obvious composure and skill. (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Aria Gomes R 0 N 1 N 295	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:24:00 - [32] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't know where all you other scouts find the time to run away. I am usually dead before I know I am being shot at. I know some zig zag or just plain jump down and take off in a different direction. Though jumping may result in death.
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 243	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:32:00 - [33] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Yep! Never hug a heavy... they dont like the love.. No no, by all means, please do. I love getting hugs. My hungry, hungry HMG concurs. All seriousness: I have less respect for the players who stand and fight me than the ones who use tactics, run away and juke to defeat my fatness. The best fight I ever had was a 1v1 with a Scout on the rooftop of the Gallente communications map. He had an AR, I had FG and SMG. He'd chip away at me, flee to the various cover, and come back to hit me once his faster-charging shields were up. It was a war of attrition slogfest, like DUST chess. And the Scout finally won in 5% armor. He got a well-deserved GG mail from me at the end. (If I had only cooked my last grenade a half-second longer...) I figured I was the "boss fight" of that match. Anyway, keep running away. The very best players in this game do the same. I used to do this with an AR/SMG - in tighter corners and a crate to dance around an ScP/SMG works as well. It also an RRs only weakness as well (charge delay) - sometimes they spam shots while chasing you, and you get feel for when they reload... Fighting a heavy is like playing Shadow of the Collosus for me - lots of fun ^_^ You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 163	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:27:00 - [34] - Quote A tactical retreat always makes sense. I think most of the threads I've seen where people complain about someone running away happens because the person running away has the odds immeasurably stacked in their favor and someone still manage to be cornered. Thus while they have no problem stomping on other players, even the slightest hint of defeat and they run at full speed. Not saying it isn't the smart thing to do, but terribly unsatisfying for a dominant foe to run rather than meet you in a test of skill.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1276	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:35:00 - [35] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Philipp Achtel wrote: It's just common sense. I'm not going to stick around when I'm at a disadvantage so you can have your "fair fight". I'm going to run away and come back to hit you when your guard is down. Sorry if that offends your sense of bushido... Excellent tactic. What some people call "cowardice", I call "baiting". Smart players utilize this tactic. Chase me if you want...if I find cover, it won't end well for you. Promise. I find a sniper rifle at close range then an SMG when they get around the corner to work very well. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 45	Posted - 2014.02.20 08:36:00 - [36] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Yep! Never hug a heavy... they dont like the love.. You just have to bring the right moves. From behind you leave them a box of chocolates and give them some space so you don't appear too clingy.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 785	Posted - 2014.02.20 09:00:00 - [37] - Quote The way i work my scout is to sprint with zig zags, and to jump at a 15 degree or so angle to the enemy(typically i want to land 5-8 meters away) then i continue my rampage. If i'm actively dodging fire and not trying to fight, i'll be sprinting, stop sprint, re-engage and jump, back up, sprint again and final sprint jump. The idea is to throw off their aim as much as possible. Also the way scouts 'run away before death' is they run the moment anyone looks at them, as to make sure RR doesn't 2-3 shot their asses. I'm not gonna lie, that's the hardest thing, is knowing the 35+ gaming personalities that you'll have to know the weaknesses of- the twitchy CoD player, the cool and (sometimes too much) calm guy that doesn't move too much, the guy that's so tunnelvisioned that you can walk 2 feet away from them and remain undetected, and then the 'Me' who is constantly doing 180's and 360's to make sure you're not getting nova'd. No SP refund=academy stomping FOR DAYYZ Proud owner of 69 'Fleshriver' Nk's. No i don't buy AUR
Yan Darn Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 243	Posted - 2014.02.20 09:30:00 - [38] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The way i work my scout is to sprint with zig zags, and to jump at a 15 degree or so angle to the enemy(typically i want to land 5-8 meters away) then i continue my rampage. If i'm actively dodging fire and not trying to fight, i'll be sprinting, stop sprint, re-engage and jump, back up, sprint again and final sprint jump. The idea is to throw off their aim as much as possible. Also the way scouts 'run away before death' is they run the moment anyone looks at them, as to make sure RR doesn't 2-3 shot their asses. I'm not gonna lie, that's the hardest thing, is knowing the 35+ gaming personalities that you'll have to know the weaknesses of- the twitchy CoD player, the cool and (sometimes too much) calm guy that doesn't move too much, the guy that's so tunnelvisioned that you can walk 2 feet away from them and remain undetected, and then the 'Me' who is constantly doing 180's and 360's to make sure you're not getting nova'd. This! Ive spent a lot of time steathily watching players visually and on extended passives - thinking ahead about how they would react in a particular situation, and adaptin my strategy to that is half the battle for me. The best is when it's scout v scout and then it's kinda a race to either flank or correctly predict their flank. Also, speaking of bushido - I remember reading that in some sword duels, samurai would basically stare at each other (playing out the battle in their mind), until one realised they could not win and forfeit. I'm going to mention Arkena Wyrmspire at this point - I've been watching you in battles - So many times I've wanted to RE/shotgun trap your Amarr Med/ScR... And I've just thought to myself...'I'll not succeed against this one...' You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.


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