DUST Search - 1.8 SP respec

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Duran Lex wrote:

Scalesdini wrote:

Quote:

[09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec
[09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise
[09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet

Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one.

Get on it, forum dwellers.

A full respec obviously isn't going to happen so some people need to get that out of their heads.

Now, a Partial Respec on Dropsuit Command might happen. That's the only tree going through enough changes to warrant one.

Weapons will never get a partial respec, for they will be changing consistently for many years to comes.

Dropsuit upgrades will also never get a partial respec, because almost everything you can skill into can be useful on almost any dropsuit fitting.

Judging my CCP's past actions when doing large changes, It's a good chance CCP will provide a partial respec on Dropsuit Command skills. But only Dropsuit Command.

Dropsuit command/weapons and dropsuit upgrades all respec

Why?

Because the skills for the suits now effect equipment and weapons

So you are a Cal logi with uplinks now, but after changes you should use nanohives with it or skill into amarr logi instead

Or you are a amarr assault with the RR, after changes you need the laser weapons or the cal assault

Your choices mean nothing because you cannot make a choice when everything changes

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Scalesdini BlackWater Liquidations INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 319	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:06:00 - [1] - Quote Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one.
Asterion Cretos DUST University Ivy League 198	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:09:00 - [2] - Quote A respec wouldn't help me much, but I can see why many wish for one. Maybe if we cry "NO RESPEC" they'll change their minds. I would rather die my way than live by yours.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 742	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:11:00 - [3] - Quote If it involves work don't expect CCP to be n board. Who wants some?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4749	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:13:00 - [4] - Quote Quality comments in this thread. Sad thing, there was such a time I would defend defend CCP in threads like this, but alas I was but a child to New Eden back then. *Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1692	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:13:00 - [5] - Quote Confirming that Hans told us to spam more respec threads, since as proved in the past the only way to get CCP to listen is to cause a massive uproar in the forums. Without a respec I only have my easymode tanks to use as I certainly don't want to use the other stuff that I most certainly didn't choose to skill into. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Ryme Intrinseca Fatal Absolution 729	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:18:00 - [6] - Quote This scale of changes to infantry skills requires a respec.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:23:00 - [7] - Quote I want a respec for several reasons, I'm a minmatar, and a heavy..So I'm a skinny guy in an oversized amarr suit, with a minmatar gun running around going "blaaaah". I'm not a role player per se, but I do like my stuff to match per the lore of the game.... I understand biting the bullet on mistaken purchases, and even slightly understand having to absorb the nerf hit to some of my fits, but overall the clutter to my skill sheet and skill tree is just nerve wracking. I get the fact were getting things events to help counteract this but I literally will not play amarr heavy once 1.8 drops if minmatar is even remotely viable.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 576	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:27:00 - [8] - Quote I believe the "we" is in regards to the CPM. I think the community has very clearly and persistently made our point across these forums. Anything else would just be discussion between players. What would be very interesting is if there was another poll by CCP to see how the community feels like there was with the SP change back in early open beta. Will that happen? I am going to say no. New Eden is all about waiting. In EVE, I wait to build my ship, wait to train up the skill that will let me get the skill I need to use my ship, and wait while I mine/salvage stuff. In DUST, we currently mostly wait for CCP Moses to come down from Mount Eden with the Tablets of thy Lord Patch.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 513	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:33:00 - [9] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. A full respec obviously isn't going to happen so some people need to get that out of their heads. Now, a Partial Respec on Dropsuit Command might happen. That's the only tree going through enough changes to warrant one. Weapons will never get a partial respec, for they will be changing consistently for many years to comes. Dropsuit upgrades will also never get a partial respec, because almost everything you can skill into can be useful on almost any dropsuit fitting. Judging my CCP's past actions when doing large changes, It's a good chance CCP will provide a partial respec on Dropsuit Command skills. But only Dropsuit Command.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2500	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:34:00 - [10] - Quote I donGÇÖt support respecGÇÖs on principal. I donGÇÖt need a respec. I went so far as to go six months on my Heavy without putting a single point into Dropsuit Upgrades and just using the Dren Heavy BPO, waiting for the rest of the racial suits so that I could have make an informed choice. (Ironically after seeing the stats on the new suits I finally decided to spec into Amarr Sentinel.) However, due to a very specific set of circumstances GÇô namely the introduction of the last of the base suit lineup to finally achieve racial parity and the change to suit bonuses across the board GÇô I do support a one time only respec of the Dropsuit Command skill tree. - Hopefully when the Pilot suit is released they will release all 4 racial variants at once. Fox Gaden: DUST Wall of Fame, 2014

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 142	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:36:00 - [11] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. A full respec obviously isn't going to happen so some people need to get that out of their heads. Now, a Partial Respec on Dropsuit Command might happen. That's the only tree going through enough changes to warrant one. Weapons will never get a partial respec, for they will be changing consistently for many years to comes. Dropsuit upgrades will also never get a partial respec, because almost everything you can skill into can be useful on almost any dropsuit fitting. Judging my CCP's past actions when doing large changes, It's a good chance CCP will provide a partial respec on Dropsuit Command skills. But only Dropsuit Command. Equipment will be significantly overhauled as well to be honest
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2593	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:41:00 - [12] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. A full respec obviously isn't going to happen so some people need to get that out of their heads. Now, a Partial Respec on Dropsuit Command might happen. That's the only tree going through enough changes to warrant one. Weapons will never get a partial respec, for they will be changing consistently for many years to comes. Dropsuit upgrades will also never get a partial respec, because almost everything you can skill into can be useful on almost any dropsuit fitting. Judging my CCP's past actions when doing large changes, It's a good chance CCP will provide a partial respec on Dropsuit Command skills. But only Dropsuit Command. Dropsuit command/weapons and dropsuit upgrades all respec Why? Because the skills for the suits now effect equipment and weapons So you are a Cal logi with uplinks now, but after changes you should use nanohives with it or skill into amarr logi instead Or you are a amarr assault with the RR, after changes you need the laser weapons or the cal assault Your choices mean nothing because you cannot make a choice when everything changes Intelligence is OP
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 514	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:43:00 - [13] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. A full respec obviously isn't going to happen so some people need to get that out of their heads. Now, a Partial Respec on Dropsuit Command might happen. That's the only tree going through enough changes to warrant one. Weapons will never get a partial respec, for they will be changing consistently for many years to comes. Dropsuit upgrades will also never get a partial respec, because almost everything you can skill into can be useful on almost any dropsuit fitting. Judging my CCP's past actions when doing large changes, It's a good chance CCP will provide a partial respec on Dropsuit Command skills. But only Dropsuit Command. Equipment will be significantly overhauled as well to be honest Equipment is still going to viable even if you don't have a specific race's bonus. It's not as if proto equipment will suddenly be on par with MLT simply because you don't have a bonus to it.
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES 90	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:45:00 - [14] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: If it involves work don't expect CCP to be n board. This actually made me laugh.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 226	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:45:00 - [15] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. Will do. o7 @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3138	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:47:00 - [16] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. The fact that they even considered this degree of change to the dropsuits, without factoring in a respec, makes me not want to play this game. No.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 514	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:51:00 - [17] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Scalesdini wrote: Quote: [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> There is no guarantee CCP is going to give a respec [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> Currently the answer is "no respec" until we convince them otherwise [09:54] <[CPM]Hans_Jagerblitzen> and we have not yet Apparently we need more respec threads with more people posting in them because CCP isn't getting the hint that a majority of us are going to stop playing for quite some time until we get one. Get on it, forum dwellers. A full respec obviously isn't going to happen so some people need to get that out of their heads. Now, a Partial Respec on Dropsuit Command might happen. That's the only tree going through enough changes to warrant one. Weapons will never get a partial respec, for they will be changing consistently for many years to comes. Dropsuit upgrades will also never get a partial respec, because almost everything you can skill into can be useful on almost any dropsuit fitting. Judging my CCP's past actions when doing large changes, It's a good chance CCP will provide a partial respec on Dropsuit Command skills. But only Dropsuit Command. Dropsuit command/weapons and dropsuit upgrades all respec Why? Because the skills for the suits now effect equipment and weapons So you are a Cal logi with uplinks now, but after changes you should use nanohives with it or skill into amarr logi instead Or you are a amarr assault with the RR, after changes you need the laser weapons or the cal assault Your choices mean nothing because you cannot make a choice when everything changes You already provided acceptable answers in accordance with CCP's logic from the very start of this game. You can always skill into something else that you want. That Cal Logi with uplinks now can still use those uplinks effeciently. He doesn't HAVE to skill into nanohives just because of the bonus. The uplinks will work just as well. If' im an Amarrian using an RR, that RR will still be useful in situations where a laser is not, the lack of a bonus isn't going to make the RR all of the sudden a terrible weapon. Do you think anyone who spec's into a Heavy Sentinel Suit Pre 1.8 should be given an SP respec immediately after you skill point into it, since it's bonus is for a weapon that doesn't exist yet and a useless 2% flat reload speed? No, the suit still worked fine with Minmatar weapon, and no viable bonus for it.
Yokal Bob G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 357	Posted - 2014.02.17 15:55:00 - [18] - Quote I have to say that a respec is needed, not just because of the new suits but because of the changes to the current suits as well. As a logi i feel that if I find myself alone in the field (which i find a lot, because people don't know how to defend objectives) why should I face a losing battle in RoF against other suits? Not only that but they decide to take away our passive reps. Then it comes to equipment, they now require more SP to skill into and have their effectivness reduced if your not wearing the "right" suit. This means that the only viable way to be a logi is to run in squads and follow them (yes, even if they are spawn camping). Disclaimer: The logi nerfs are things I have read on the forums so might not be 100% correct. CPM1 candidate I want my logi tank back
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 111	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:05:00 - [19] - Quote If we havent yet then there wont be any convincing. I have seen many threads making great arguments with many people who arent in support of respecs stating there should be one. If CCP doesnt give one at racial parity then they do all players a disservice. They throw out all of what this game is supposed to stand for. You cant speak about living with consequences of your actions and then change most of the reasons people made decisions and tell them to live with that. I would be OK if we dont get one because my suit isnt being changed much. Its actually being buffed in every way but that doesnt change the fact that I skilled into some things because my racials werent out at the time. Now what about the people who have been waiting for a year to play their preferred class or persons who skilled into classes to maximise the inherent skills. CCP just needs to do the just thing. "Shine bright like a diamond"
VLIGHT5 The Judas Coalition 297	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:09:00 - [20] - Quote Keep up the threads guys!

Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 414	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:27:00 - [21] - Quote Know what? I don't really care either way, just tell us something man. I need to know if I should spend money on dust or some other games. This indecision is killing me.
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 294	Posted - 2014.02.17 16:27:00 - [22] - Quote Episode 1.8 of Secret Diary of a Call Girl.
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1718	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:29:00 - [23] - Quote inb4lock/ban 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 5056	Posted - 2014.02.17 19:32:00 - [24] - Quote Locked for duplicate topic. Please keep all discussion regarding this issue in this thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1849134#post1849134 CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics



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