DUST Search - [Discussion] the cloak and the logi

DEZKA DIABLO wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Ok so, so far it seem that most people are ok with the sacrifices that need to be made (it may be early yet though). But what about the bar on cloak field from benefiting from the logi CPU/PG reduction skill bonus? No one has commented on this yet. As I said in my OP the difference would be 40/9 CPU/PG, and that the best upgrade to the demonstrated fitting that I could think of would be: complex cardiac regulator/proto grenade.

What are your guys thoughts in this?

Personally I don't think the sacrifice is enough honestly, wait until the Amar are using pro damage, charge shot ohk with scr, with base HP . It's ment for scouts to hide, not med frames to abuse, your fitting won't be the only style the better an more op way will be ghost mode, scanner, rep hives, damage , proto gun that decimate at range and profile damps in the lows, make that fit under 28 db an post stats, so ..
Shields
Damage ( as many as you can) plus factor proficiency 5
The scanner
Rep hives
And complex profile dampeners

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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.15 20:54:00 - [1] - Quote Ok so, I've been playing around with the numbers and making fittings, so that I can assess the viability of using a cloak on a logi suit. Before we get to the meat of the discussion, I would first like to present the best fitting that I was able to create, and get your opinion about functionality: 1) do you think it is functionally viable? 2) what would you have done differently and why? (only one fittings example is given, using the prot Gallente logi. Please feel free to post fittings of other race logi fittings or iterate on this one) Relevant stats Fittings shield/armor: 178/318 Fitting max CPU/PG: 640/116 Fitting consumed CPU/PG: 623/115 Fitting shield recharge rate: 24.81 HP/s Fitting max stamina/stamina recovery: 200.81/23.28 Fitting armor repair rate: 0.0 HP/s Fitting movement speed: 4.61 m/s Fitting sprint speed: 7.62 m/s Fitting profile with cloak inactive: 45 dB Fitting profile with cloak active: 34 dB Gear Complex shield extender Complex shield energizer Complex light damage modifier Kaalakiota rail rifle Locus grenade Proto type scanner (doesn't really matter which one) Allotek nanohive Standard cloak field (CPU/PG consumption: 160/35) Wiyrkomi nanite injector Complex power grid upgrade (+128 CPU; for complex would be +179) Enhanced CPU upgrade (14 PG at the cost of 24 CPU) Enhanced cardiac regulator Complex kinetic catalyzer Basic armor plate So, how viable is this? Will being able to cloak make up for the sacrifices that have to be made here (not to mention you only get to use the standard cloak field). Please I would very much like to hear the community's thoughts on this, as well as anyone who may have better fittings ideas, and reasons why they would be better. Or simply reasons why this fitting is terrible if you like. Here is a few points, which I feel should be the "meat" of this discussin: 1. Is the sacrifice to fit a cloak to high? 2. Should a proto type logi at least be able to fit an advanced cloak without making further fittings sacrifices? 3. Why is that CCP is not going to let the logi bonus to CPU/PG cost of equipment apply to the cloak field? Do you agree or disagree with CCP on this. My opinions on the above three: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. If the bonus were to apply to the cloak field as well, you would get a total of 40/9 extra CPU/PG to work with for your fitting. Take a look at the fitting I posted and see what you can do with 40/9. Or, incorporate this into your own fittings idea, and then tell me if you think this specific equipment should be being singled out and barred from benefiting from the logi bonus. The only thing I can think of to do is add a prototype grenade and a complex cardiac regulator. I look forward to your opinions/discussion. Thank you for reading. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: snip OP was changed. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.15 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: as a scout, I welcome medium frames like logi's using cloaks. you'll be easier to see(you're physically larger, so more shimmer per shimmer effect will be visible) you'll have less health than I do(finally, someone does!) and, I already learned how to do stealth without it. so at this point it's just gravy for scouts to actually be invisible, instead of just mostly invisible(since people in the "good" corps rely more on their active scanners than their eyes anyways) So, fit away, just know that you won't fool a scout. I am simply seeking community input on the viability of "cloaked logies". And discussion on how to make them more viable if it is the community consensus that they would be UP. As I stated in the OP, I am of the opinion that there should be at least one other suit class capable of being at least simi-viable with the cloak. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:17:00 - [4] - Quote Ok so, so far it seem that most people are ok with the sacrifices that need to be made (it may be early yet though). But what about the bar on cloak field from benefiting from the logi CPU/PG reduction skill bonus? No one has commented on this yet. As I said in my OP the difference would be 40/9 CPU/PG, and that the best upgrade to the demonstrated fitting that I could think of would be: complex cardiac regulator/proto grenade. What are your guys thoughts in this? {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.15 22:40:00 - [5] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ok so, so far it seem that most people are ok with the sacrifices that need to be made (it may be early yet though). But what about the bar on cloak field from benefiting from the logi CPU/PG reduction skill bonus? No one has commented on this yet. As I said in my OP the difference would be 40/9 CPU/PG, and that the best upgrade to the demonstrated fitting that I could think of would be: complex cardiac regulator/proto grenade. What are your guys thoughts in this? Personally I don't think the sacrifice is enough honestly, wait until the Amar are using pro damage, charge shot ohk with scr, with base HP . It's ment for scouts to hide, not med frames to abuse, your fitting won't be the only style the better an more op way will be ghost mode, scanner, rep hives, damage , proto gun that decimate at range and profile damps in the lows, make that fit under 28 db an post stats, so .. Shields Damage ( as many as you can) plus factor proficiency 5 The scanner Rep hives And complex profile dampeners Show us stats It will be extremely slow/low stamina though, with only 30 seconds of invisibility, which means that, more than likely, the enemy will be able to easily eventually track you down and kill you. I'll make the fit if you like though, but I don't think that it will be as viable as the one I have posted, especially considering the changes coming to the active scanner. It'll take some time to create the fitting though. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.15 23:17:00 - [6] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ok so, so far it seem that most people are ok with the sacrifices that need to be made (it may be early yet though). But what about the bar on cloak field from benefiting from the logi CPU/PG reduction skill bonus? No one has commented on this yet. As I said in my OP the difference would be 40/9 CPU/PG, and that the best upgrade to the demonstrated fitting that I could think of would be: complex cardiac regulator/proto grenade. What are your guys thoughts in this? Personally I don't think the sacrifice is enough honestly, wait until the Amar are using pro damage, charge shot ohk with scr, with base HP . It's ment for scouts to hide, not med frames to abuse, your fitting won't be the only style the better an more op way will be ghost mode, scanner, rep hives, damage , proto gun that decimate at range and profile damps in the lows, make that fit under 28 db an post stats, so .. Shields Damage ( as many as you can) plus factor proficiency 5 The scanner Rep hives And complex profile dampeners Show us stats There you go: Poster reques fitting stats Relevant stats Fitting shield/armor: 178/346 Fitting max CPU/PG: 691/116 Fitting consumed CPU/PG: 649/113 Fitting shield recharge rate: 15 HP/s Fitting max stamina/stamina recovery: 131.25/12.60 Fitting armor repair rate: 0.0 HP/s Fitting movement speed: 4.61 m/s Fitting sprint speed: 6.77 m/s Fitting profile with cloak inactive: 26 dB Fitting profile with cloak active: 23 dB Gear Complex shield extender 2x Complex light damage modifier Visiam scrambler rifle Locus grenade Proto type scanner (doesn't really matter which one) 2x Allotek nanohive Standard cloak field (CPU/PG consumption: 160/35) Complex power grid upgrade (14 PG at the cost of 24 CPU) Complex CPU upgrade (+179 CPU) 2x complex dampener Basic armor plate {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1261	Posted - 2014.02.16 00:19:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: 1. Cloak is about getting away from the battle, not using it agressively. Why the heck do you have a prototype weapon on a support suit that only has about 500 ehp? Not only is this a waste of fitting space, but is just a bad idea in general. Sometimes the best defense is a good offence. I'm okay with low HP I-Shayz-I wrote: 2. Complex shield energizer? That's another waste of 90 CPU If you think you can do better then post a fit, please. I-Shayz-I wrote: 3. You need a complex armor repair on your suit, especially if you're only runnning 317 armor. There's no point in pulling out an allotek to repair 200 of your armor. Difference of opinion. I-Shayz-I wrote: I just don't understand what you were trying to do here...make it an expensive scout? The equipment setup seems like it's supposed to be for support, yet it is just all around confusing. I'll respond later see if I can make you understand. Right now I'm playing dust with my corp. {:)}{3GÇó>
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1282	Posted - 2014.02.17 06:06:00 - [8] - Quote Bump {:)}{3GÇó>