DUST Search - CR costs less pg/cpu to fit than SMG

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote:

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote:

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case.

you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread.

or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun?

PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU.

If he does not pay attention to pg and cpu what makes you think he cares about other gun requirements. A good player always looks and foresees at ALL top options available.

I'm nothing special and I don't boast otherwise but while I don't hold specifics forever I have a general ball park of where things are stat wise, after I discard them from my fits I don't keep them stored in my memory. In this particular case I did not remember seeing the CR being lower fitting wise than smg's, so hearing such surprised me, but as others pointed out he is using asmg vs a regular CR.

I have my own cheap excel fitting tool which I play with which I already have the new weapons and suits in there, which I have shared my caldari scout ones with a corp on my alt.

Regardless should I feel special for getting called out on an alt?

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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1941	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:29:00 - [1] - Quote Both Minmitar weapons. Both same meta level. One is light weapon, other is sidearm, both are projectile cqc weapons. ;ight weapon costs less to fit, somehow. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Oswald Rehnquist 1243	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:32:00 - [2] - Quote lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. Below 28 dB
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 744	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:35:00 - [3] - Quote Proto SMG is 57 Cpu, whereas CR is 82(yes i memorized these, same as the 2204 EN drain on the Gazelle RJ legs in Last Raven.) Pg for Boundless cr is 9, correct? SMG is like 11 for Ishukone Assault, whereas Sixkin/boundless is 7. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 569	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:37:00 - [4] - Quote Incorrect, at least at standard. STD CR: 22 CPU, 3 PG STD SMG: 15 CPU, 3PG The CR is too good, but that's no reason to lie.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1096	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:27:00 - [5] - Quote It also reloads faster than an smg.
ScottyTheMatchMaking AI Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 34	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:51:00 - [6] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4687	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:58:00 - [7] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Proto SMG is 57 Cpu, whereas CR is 82(yes i memorized these, same as the 2204 EN drain on the Gazelle RJ legs in Last Raven.) Pg for Boundless cr is 9, correct? SMG is like 11 for Ishukone Assault, whereas Sixkin/boundless is 7. AWWWWWWWWH ****! ARMORED CORE. I loved the Cougar 2 Legs. That and the LN224 Crest Legs I think. The CR-C89E was my favorite core and the Fourth Generation EYE part was the best.
Tectonic Fusion 1052	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:01:00 - [8] - Quote All I know is the Assault Combat RIfle costs less CPU/PG than the Assault SMG. Fact. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1666	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:01:00 - [9] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread. or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun? PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
ScottyTheMatchMaking AI Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 34	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:11:00 - [10] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread. or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun? PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU. If he does not pay attention to pg and cpu what makes you think he cares about other gun requirements. A good player always looks and foresees at ALL top options available.

Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 746	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:14:00 - [11] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Proto SMG is 57 Cpu, whereas CR is 82(yes i memorized these, same as the 2204 EN drain on the Gazelle RJ legs in Last Raven.) Pg for Boundless cr is 9, correct? SMG is like 11 for Ishukone Assault, whereas Sixkin/boundless is 7. AWWWWWWWWH **! ARMORED CORE. I loved the Cougar 2 Legs. That and the LN224 Crest Legs I think. The CR-C89E was my favorite core and the Fourth Generation EYE part was the best. panther lightweight bipeds. They had ** poor defense and mobility, but they're midair drain was so low you could almost permaflight. Almost. My other faves were the Crest low drain medbi-peds. Genobee and Jouster used them. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 746	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:17:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: All I know is the Assault Combat RIfle costs less CPU/PG than the Assault SMG. Fact. Assault SMG is harder to fit than basic because of Ammo andRoF. Not to mention extended range. If you compare the Sixkin Smg to the Sixkin Cr you'll have a different story. Under 28db 'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.' Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
Thrillhouse Van Houten DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 80	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:24:00 - [13] - Quote The OP also doesn't say what his skills are at. If he has Sidearms at level 1 and Light Weapons at level 5, that could easily make the CR seem to have lower CPU/PG cost. Ditto for Fitting Optimization skills. The PG costs on the SMG are definitely higher than the CR (I have 0 in both Fitting Optimization skills) but the CPU is quite a bit higher on the CR (and I have L. Weapons at 3 and Sidearms at 0). Still doesn't make much sense that a Minmatar sidearm uses more power than a Minmatar Light Weapon that satisfies the same exact niche on the battlefield...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4688	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:38:00 - [14] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Proto SMG is 57 Cpu, whereas CR is 82(yes i memorized these, same as the 2204 EN drain on the Gazelle RJ legs in Last Raven.) Pg for Boundless cr is 9, correct? SMG is like 11 for Ishukone Assault, whereas Sixkin/boundless is 7. AWWWWWWWWH **! ARMORED CORE. I loved the Cougar 2 Legs. That and the LN224 Crest Legs I think. The CR-C89E was my favorite core and the Fourth Generation EYE part was the best. panther lightweight bipeds. They had ** poor defense and mobility, but they're midair drain was so low you could almost permaflight. Almost. My other faves were the Crest low drain medbi-peds. Genobee and Jouster used them. A loved Crest body parts but not their weapons so much. I preferred Mirage weapons and internal parts.
Oswald Rehnquist 1247	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:41:00 - [15] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread. or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun? PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU. If he does not pay attention to pg and cpu what makes you think he cares about other gun requirements. A good player always looks and foresees at ALL top options available. I'm nothing special and I don't boast otherwise but while I don't hold specifics forever I have a general ball park of where things are stat wise, after I discard them from my fits I don't keep them stored in my memory. In this particular case I did not remember seeing the CR being lower fitting wise than smg's, so hearing such surprised me, but as others pointed out he is using asmg vs a regular CR. I have my own cheap excel fitting tool which I play with which I already have the new weapons and suits in there, which I have shared my caldari scout ones with a corp on my alt. Regardless should I feel special for getting called out on an alt? Below 28 dB
ScottyTheMatchMaking AI Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 35	Posted - 2014.02.15 07:01:00 - [16] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread. or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun? PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU. If he does not pay attention to pg and cpu what makes you think he cares about other gun requirements. A good player always looks and foresees at ALL top options available. I'm nothing special and I don't boast otherwise but while I don't hold specifics forever I have a general ball park of where things are stat wise, after I discard them from my fits I don't keep them stored in my memory. In this particular case I did not remember seeing the CR being lower fitting wise than smg's, so hearing such surprised me, but as others pointed out he is using asmg vs a regular CR. I have my own cheap excel fitting tool which I play with which I already have the new weapons and suits in there, which I have shared my caldari scout ones with a corp on my alt. Regardless should I feel special for getting called out on an alt? You are getting called out because you are an idiot, do not be so delusional with yourself.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1097	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:19:00 - [17] - Quote Agreed, this is an issue. I HEREBY CALL FOR A REDUCTION TO SMG PG/CPU USAGE! <----------(Proficiency 5 SMG's, Proficiency 4 CbR) MAG ~ Raven
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3114	Posted - 2014.02.15 10:24:00 - [18] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: All I know is the Assault Combat RIfle costs less CPU/PG than the Assault SMG. Fact. Yup. My sidearm scout felt wronged. No.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2195	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:35:00 - [19] - Quote It's pretty irrelevant that it's comparing an assault SMG to a regular CR - the DPS is still comparable but the extra range of the CR is the real kick in the balls here. Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1382	Posted - 2014.02.15 12:06:00 - [20] - Quote yet another thing that i think any other game developer would have realized before introducing the weapon.. sadly dust is made by ccp and we have to deal with absurdities like this more-tae-dee-um-more stop asking how to pronounce my name its quite irritating

Insufficient Data 0uter.Heaven 17	Posted - 2014.02.15 12:20:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Proto SMG is 57 Cpu, whereas CR is 82(yes i memorized these, same as the 2204 EN drain on the Gazelle RJ legs in Last Raven.) Pg for Boundless cr is 9, correct? SMG is like 11 for Ishukone Assault, whereas Sixkin/boundless is 7. AWWWWWWWWH **! ARMORED CORE. I loved the Cougar 2 Legs. That and the LN224 Crest Legs I think. The CR-C89E was my favorite core and the Fourth Generation EYE part was the best. panther lightweight bipeds. They had poor defense and mobility, but they're midair drain was so low you could almost permaflight. Almost. My other faves were the Crest low drain medbi-peds. Genobee and Jouster used them. A loved Crest body parts but not their weapons so much. I preferred Mirage weapons and internal parts. My AC was a mix of various option parts along with Chrome-Murakumo AC build. Second gen. Was Karasawa-Moonlight with Crest Core along with Mirage body parts, and of course the OP-Intensify. Third gen is Aaliyah frame with various boosters just to achieve "Third Stage" quick boosting. The tunning was b** as I always changed it with each AC mod. Im a Tickle My Null-Sac at heart. XD Also beware the Jolly, Luper and Noob (b^_^)b
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 365	Posted - 2014.02.15 12:25:00 - [22] - Quote basic 22/3 bk42 38/4 rs90 43/4 sixkin 78/8 boundless 81/8 basic 15/3 m209 42/7 m512 35/6 ia smg 68/11 sixkin 57/10 basic -- has lower req advanced assault -- cr has lower req advanced -- has lower req proto assault -- has lower reqs proto -- has lower reqs /thread 32db Mad Bomber.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1032	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:01:00 - [23] - Quote I didn't realize you could fit a CR in a sidearm slot? oh wait
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2195	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:26:00 - [24] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: basic 22/3 bk42 38/4 rs90 43/4 sixkin 78/8 boundless 81/8 basic 15/3 m209 42/7 m512 35/6 ia smg 68/11 sixkin 57/10 basic -- smg has lower reqs advanced assault -- cr has lower reqs advanced -- smg has lower cpu req but higher pg req proto assault -- smg has lower cpu req but higher pg req proto -- smg has lower cpu req but higher pg req thread goes on ER-Bullitt wrote: I didn't realize you could fit a CR in a sidearm slot? oh wait The requirements shouldn't even be close, let alone less for the CR in any regards at any level. In every single case the CR has greater DPS and at least double the optimal range. Sidearms are supposed to be smaller, less powerful counterparts to light weapons and should have their fittings requirements adjusted appropriately as such against their racial lights. It's the case for all other sidearms, so why not the SMG and CR? And if you want to just throw in the 'it's a sidearm and you can't fit a CR in that slot' comment - then you'll also say that a HMG should have comparable fittings to CRs? (FYI - it doesn't) Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot Scout community is the nuts
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1032	Posted - 2014.02.15 16:54:00 - [25] - Quote I didn't realize you could fit an HMG into a light slot? oh wait...
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 174	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:00:00 - [26] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread. or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun? PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU. If he does not pay attention to pg and cpu what makes you think he cares about other gun requirements. A good player always looks and foresees at ALL top options available. or you dont care about something you dont use. the way you put it ppl should know the pg and cpu of everything in the game which is just crazy
Atheor Sindromer Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 57	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:03:00 - [27] - Quote ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ScottyTheMatchMaking AI wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: lol, I've never checked it to be quite honest, that is a pretty dam good catch if that is the case. you must be a garbage player if you do not even look at the pg cpu size to fully bring the true potential of a suit or vehicle. yet you have more likes than half the people on this thread. or... maybe he doesn't use either of those gun? PG's the killer, anyway. Way harder to get one unit of PG than a few of CPU. If he does not pay attention to pg and cpu what makes you think he cares about other gun requirements. A good player always looks and foresees at ALL top options available. Geez, you must be fun at parties. Love the sinner, hate the Sindromer.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 855	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:04:00 - [28] - Quote Joel II X wrote: It also reloads faster than an smg. More ammo capacity so that long reload makes sense. *Assassination is my thing.*
Onesimus Tarsus 1209	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:05:00 - [29] - Quote What are you waiting for? Throw a few million SP after it and enjoy the OP before CCP moves the goalposts again. I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here. cc2.27.13
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4692	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:05:00 - [30] - Quote Insufficient Data wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Proto SMG is 57 Cpu, whereas CR is 82(yes i memorized these, same as the 2204 EN drain on the Gazelle RJ legs in Last Raven.) Pg for Boundless cr is 9, correct? SMG is like 11 for Ishukone Assault, whereas Sixkin/boundless is 7. AWWWWWWWWH **! ARMORED CORE. I loved the Cougar 2 Legs. That and the LN224 Crest Legs I think. The CR-C89E was my favorite core and the Fourth Generation EYE part was the best. panther lightweight bipeds. They had poor defense and mobility, but they're midair drain was so low you could almost permaflight. Almost. My other faves were the Crest low drain medbi-peds. Genobee and Jouster used them. A loved Crest body parts but not their weapons so much. I preferred Mirage weapons and internal parts. My AC was a mix of various option parts along with Chrome-Murakumo AC build. Second gen. Was Karasawa-Moonlight with Crest Core along with Mirage body parts, and of course the OP-Intensify. Third gen is Aaliyah frame with various boosters just to achieve "Third Stage" quick boosting. The tunning was b as I always changed it with each AC mod. Hmm? I know what your talking about but you might be a generation ahead. Generation one: Armored Core Armored Core Final Phantasma Armored Core Master of Arena Generation two*: (Favorite generation)* Armored Core Two Armored Core Another Age Generation three: (longest generation) Armored Core Three Armored Core Silent Line Armored Core Nine Breaker Armored Core Formula Front (PSP Japan only) Armored Core Nexus Armored Core Last Raven (Hardest motherfucking game of the entire generation) Generation four: (gets a lot of criticism but I liked Generation 4) Armored Core 4 Armored Core 4 Answer Generation five: (By far the worse generation only due to poor support from FROM and lack of diversity) Armored Core five Armored Core Verdict Day. (Which I have not played yet because I'm not wasting 30 on something I'll be disappointed with)



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