DUST Search - Is Planetary Conquest Dead or Alive?

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:

PC is stupid, the mechanics suck and only a handful of players benifit from it. it needs to be scrapped and redesigned so we must perchase MCC's , SI, as well as instalations. locked districts need to make no isk or clones untill it is onlne and vulnerable, the timers are **** and need to be done away with along with addng a raid system for attacking parties to allow more participation of smaller corps. as it is now lots of districts are under attack from alles to prevent anyone from launching a real attack.

PC IS CRAP FIX IT CCP

This is a big part of it, and it's a part that many of the elite corps don't recognize.

CCP has to sit down and think of ways to make winning attacks and defending districts the path to riches, not holding a bunch of land.

If CCP can't find a way to open up PC to more players or feels that they need to keep it so highly competitive they need to roll out team deploy ASAP. It's holding back the game.

I'm becoming worn out from pub matches and crap blueberries that give up after one unsuccessful push on an objective. Really in general I'm tired of relying on players I have nothing to do with for 95% of my Dust playing time.

The lack of team deploy is a bigger issue than a lack of PVE in my opinion. PVE doesn't do anything to raise the skill level of Dust overall.

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Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 134	Posted - 2014.02.11 20:42:00 - [1] - Quote After Being in 2 huge wars, hearing constant adolescence Corporations debating over districts (more of who gets what), locking districts, and much more, I came to ask the following question. IS PC DEAD OR ALIVE AND WILL IT BE AFTER 1.8? This is a matter of opinion and please do not care about what others may say. Open Beta (12/13/2012) to a 1-year Vet. Tends to flip the table when seeing the words: YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3105	Posted - 2014.02.11 20:48:00 - [2] - Quote Yeah it's dead. No.
Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 179	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:05:00 - [3] - Quote It will stay dead until CCP prevents district locking for profit. Why fight when you can get hundreds of millions of ISK for free? I sure as hell wouldn't.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1031	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:07:00 - [4] - Quote its definatly dead
commando biffle Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 18	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:11:00 - [5] - Quote give PC to EVE
Aisha Ctarl Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3262	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote We kinda broke PC therefore it's dead. I'm a narcissist, LIKE MY POSTS =^,.,^=
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 10	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:28:00 - [7] - Quote Apparantly A.E. is gonna get it come March. (sarcasm) Director of The Phoenix Federation. Shut up or I'll mute you.
Sgt Buttscratch lcritMYpantS 1506	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:29:00 - [8] - Quote michael jackson dead, has been since month 2 I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2778	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote Dj grammer wrote: After Being in 2 huge wars, hearing constant adolescence Corporations debating over districts (more of who gets what), locking districts, and much more, I came to ask the following question. IS PC DEAD OR ALIVE AND WILL IT BE AFTER 1.8? This is a matter of opinion and please do not care about what others may say. It's dead. Most think that it'll be fixed if they fix the locking mechanic. But it'll still be home to a VERY small percentage of Dust players. Of that small percentage an even smaller percentage is able to dominate due to weird mechanics that favor small groups (24-48 hour timers). PC runs far more people off than it attracts and that's a problem. The mechanics should change to allow the big dogs to eat but not allow them to dominate 50% of the map. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6798	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:42:00 - [10] - Quote I don't see bikini clad girls with bouncing boobs. So it must be neither. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6940	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:48:00 - [11] - Quote Even assuming CCP does prevent district locking....PC corps and players are so rich they never need to grind for ISK again. So the rich exploiters stay rich, while the gap between poor and low SP grows that much greater. I should have bandwagonned back in November. I could be rich now. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 583	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:48:00 - [12] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: It will stay dead until CCP prevents district locking for profit. Why fight when you can get hundreds of millions of ISK for free? I sure as hell wouldn't. Basically this. Newb
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6798	Posted - 2014.02.11 21:53:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Even assuming CCP does prevent district locking....PC corps and players are so rich they never need to grind for ISK again. So the rich exploiters stay rich, while the gap between poor and low SP grows that much greater. I should have bandwagonned back in November. I could be rich now. This is why ISK sinks are desperately needed to control the flow and distribution of ISK. One way to do that is by implementing material costs needed to even operate a district much like control towers in Eve Online require a steady supply of fuel just to even turn on. Also we need to get rid of selling clones to npc corps (clone sink) and make it sellable to player corps only. On top of that, allow harvesting materials in those districts for selling to player corps also. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2793	Posted - 2014.02.12 17:54:00 - [14] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: True Adamance wrote: Even assuming CCP does prevent district locking....PC corps and players are so rich they never need to grind for ISK again. So the rich exploiters stay rich, while the gap between poor and low SP grows that much greater. I should have bandwagonned back in November. I could be rich now. This is why ISK sinks are desperately needed to control the flow and distribution of ISK. One way to do that is by implementing material costs needed to even operate a district much like control towers in Eve Online require a steady supply of fuel just to even turn on. Also we need to get rid of selling clones to npc corps (clone sink) and make it sellable to player corps only. On top of that, allow harvesting materials in those districts for selling to player corps also. This is so much bullshit. The ISK sink for who?? The vast majority of the playerbase runs battle to battle much in a way someone goes paycheck to paycheck. Most people have no interest in running BPOs 24/7 and very, very few people participate in PC with any success. This myth of an ISK sync is honestly what makes pubs suck so bad. Having a FPS that makes people watch their wallet from battle to battle is silly. Perhaps they can go back to this model once there are some other ways for people to grind ISK. 90% of pub matches are over in minutes because one group's blueberries throw in the towel at the first sign of trouble. I can't think of any other reason (besides tank spam) other than ISK conservation. ISK sinks are already here, it's called losing 5-10 non-milita suits trying to win a match and watching your profit go away. There are people biomassing clones, boosting in other servers, and AFKing to get ISK. Let's put this ISK sink myth to bed. Certainly there are players that could use one, but if we are going to ignore PC because it only involves a small portion of the playerbase then WHY would we be concerned about an ISK sink for probably an even smaller portion of the player base? ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2818	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:23:00 - [15] - Quote I'd say KDR conservation is a more likely reason blue dots give up. After all you can run free fits.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 751	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:27:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I don't see bikini clad girls with bouncing boobs. So it must be neither. I see what you did there. Very clever. And a very good series, btw. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2818	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:29:00 - [17] - Quote Any ISK sink should be for vanity goods. Do you spend your entire paycheck on work supplies? No? Then why should a mercenary be forced to barely break even? Someone like that should be raking in the dough to blow on luxury yachts, booze and women, not scraping by to purchase the next suit to get his head blown off in.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4987	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:52:00 - [18] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: We kinda broke PC therefore it's dead. Yes, we broke the system Just wait until after 1.8 (if they are really fixing district locking then). Haven't you seen all the AE and Nyain San hate threads? > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4987	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:54:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Even assuming CCP does prevent district locking....PC corps and players are so rich they never need to grind for ISK again. So the rich exploiters stay rich, while the gap between poor and low SP grows that much greater. I should have bandwagonned back in November. I could be rich now. Yes, you should see how much Zatara has paid me Actually, it's not that much :( Most of my 70 mil came from ringing. 2-3 mil per contract yo :D > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 365	Posted - 2014.02.12 18:59:00 - [20] - Quote PC is stupid, the mechanics suck and only a handful of players benifit from it. it needs to be scrapped and redesigned so we must perchase MCC's , SI, as well as instalations. locked districts need to make no isk or clones untill it is onlne and vulnerable, the timers are **** and need to be done away with along with addng a raid system for attacking parties to allow more participation of smaller corps. as it is now lots of districts are under attack from alles to prevent anyone from launching a real attack. PC IS CRAP FIX IT CCP

THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 924	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:05:00 - [21] - Quote Dead since RA decided to lock all districts to bring attention to it a week or two ago. But even before this past time since EONs time 2 major things have happened, 1- some corps got much better at PC, the PC matches between corps now make the EoN wars matches look stupid. And 2- The survivable, powerful corps have become rare, Nyain San & AE are the current kings while the other few corps are just meh really, not too big and still without a lot of PC experience. AE seems tired, while Nyains playerbase stills plays the game like its chrome, as in energetically, with no signs of fatigue. How to get likes: post QQ reply to every thread where a PC corps players post claiming they only win cus "FOTM"
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4987	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:07:00 - [22] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Dead since RA decided to lock all districts to bring attention to it a week or two ago. But even before this past time since EONs time 2 major things have happened, 1- some corps got much better at PC, the PC matches between corps now make the EoN wars matches look stupid. And 2- The survivable, powerful corps have become rare, Nyain San & AE are the current kings while the other few corps are just meh really, not too big and still without a lot of PC experience. AE seems tired, while Nyains playerbase stills plays the game like its chrome, as in energetically, with no signs of fatigue. This isn't the War Room so I guess I won't trash talk :\| but lol at the underlined parts > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 614	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:09:00 - [23] - Quote So in the meantime all of the big PC are making tons of isk right now right? Risk free, locked districts are pumping out how much isk? And militia and standard BPO`s are bad for the economy?!?! L M F A O
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 4988	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:20:00 - [24] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: So in the meantime all of the big PC are making tons of isk right now right? Risk free, locked districts are pumping out how much isk? And militia and standard BPO`s are bad for the economy?!?! L M F A O It's because only a small part of the playerbase can play PC, with the big alliance (RA) owning about 40% of Molden Heath. Everyone had access to BPOs. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2795	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:40:00 - [25] - Quote Skihids wrote: I'd say KDR conservation is a more likely reason blue dots give up. After all you can run free fits. I guess that could be the case, but a lot of these guys are going 1-6 and giving up. What is the difference between 1-6 and 3-18? One guy is in theory going to get better at some point. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2795	Posted - 2014.02.12 19:48:00 - [26] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: PC is stupid, the mechanics suck and only a handful of players benifit from it. it needs to be scrapped and redesigned so we must perchase MCC's , SI, as well as instalations. locked districts need to make no isk or clones untill it is onlne and vulnerable, the timers are **** and need to be done away with along with addng a raid system for attacking parties to allow more participation of smaller corps. as it is now lots of districts are under attack from alles to prevent anyone from launching a real attack. PC IS CRAP FIX IT CCP This is a big part of it, and it's a part that many of the elite corps don't recognize. CCP has to sit down and think of ways to make winning attacks and defending districts the path to riches, not holding a bunch of land. If CCP can't find a way to open up PC to more players or feels that they need to keep it so highly competitive they need to roll out team deploy ASAP. It's holding back the game. I'm becoming worn out from pub matches and crap blueberries that give up after one unsuccessful push on an objective. Really in general I'm tired of relying on players I have nothing to do with for 95% of my Dust playing time. The lack of team deploy is a bigger issue than a lack of PVE in my opinion. PVE doesn't do anything to raise the skill level of Dust overall. ML Director Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1580	Posted - 2014.02.12 20:21:00 - [27] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Dj grammer wrote: After Being in 2 huge wars, hearing constant adolescence Corporations debating over districts (more of who gets what), locking districts, and much more, I came to ask the following question. IS PC DEAD OR ALIVE AND WILL IT BE AFTER 1.8? This is a matter of opinion and please do not care about what others may say. It's dead. Most think that it'll be fixed if they fix the locking mechanic. But it'll still be home to a VERY small percentage of Dust players. Of that small percentage an even smaller percentage is able to dominate due to weird mechanics that favor small groups (24-48 hour timers). PC runs far more people off than it attracts and that's a problem. The mechanics should change to allow the big dogs to eat but not allow them to dominate 50% of the map. If something isn't done about it and the stupid amount of wealth it unleashed on Dust, it will be the death of the game. CCP will get no AUR sales then cause lets face it, Valkyrie is going to a very small demographic. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 371	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:41:00 - [28] - Quote SCRAP PC CCP its only worth freeiskto a select few people and they use that isk to protostomp pubs repeatedly without risking anything but a free proto suit paid for by a locked or dummy attacked district
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 650	Posted - 2014.02.14 04:52:00 - [29] - Quote I hope its dead. We want corp battles. Who wants some?
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 888	Posted - 2014.02.14 05:05:00 - [30] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Dead since RA decided to lock all districts to bring attention to it a week or two ago. But even before this past time since EONs time 2 major things have happened, 1- some corps got much better at PC, the PC matches between corps now make the EoN wars matches look stupid. And 2- The survivable, powerful corps have become rare, Nyain San & AE are the current kings while the other few corps are just meh really, not too big and still without a lot of PC experience. AE seems tired, while Nyains playerbase stills plays the game like its chrome, as in energetically, with no signs of fatigue. Gotta beat your own drum or who else would amirite? Why waste time posting though when you can be farming ambush with your godlike comrades? PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.

Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1040	Posted - 2014.02.14 05:05:00 - [31] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I don't see bikini clad girls with bouncing boobs. So it must be neither. What you did there... I see it.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 888	Posted - 2014.02.14 05:08:00 - [32] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: PC is stupid, the mechanics suck and only a handful of players benifit from it. it needs to be scrapped and redesigned so we must perchase MCC's , SI, as well as instalations. locked districts need to make no isk or clones untill it is onlne and vulnerable, the timers are **** and need to be done away with along with addng a raid system for attacking parties to allow more participation of smaller corps. as it is now lots of districts are under attack from alles to prevent anyone from launching a real attack. PC IS CRAP FIX IT CCP This is a big part of it, and it's a part that many of the elite corps don't recognize. CCP has to sit down and think of ways to make winning attacks and defending districts the path to riches, not holding a bunch of land. If CCP can't find a way to open up PC to more players or feels that they need to keep it so highly competitive they need to roll out team deploy ASAP. It's holding back the game. I'm becoming worn out from pub matches and crap blueberries that give up after one unsuccessful push on an objective. Really in general I'm tired of relying on players I have nothing to do with for 95% of my Dust playing time. The lack of team deploy is a bigger issue than a lack of PVE in my opinion. PVE doesn't do anything to raise the skill level of Dust overall. An excellent post! I am with you 100%. At least FW should be have the clan deploy function. PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8. That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1970	Posted - 2014.02.14 05:49:00 - [33] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Dead since RA decided to lock all districts to bring attention to it a week or two ago. But even before this past time since EONs time 2 major things have happened, 1- some corps got much better at PC, the PC matches between corps now make the EoN wars matches look stupid. And 2- The survivable, powerful corps have become rare, Nyain San & AE are the current kings while the other few corps are just meh really, not too big and still without a lot of PC experience. AE seems tired, while Nyains playerbase stills plays the game like its chrome, as in energetically, with no signs of fatigue. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 355	Posted - 2014.02.14 06:12:00 - [34] - Quote It's dead. Even PFC is dying now. PC 2.0 better bring big changes otherwise it'll more than likely remain in a state of limbo.


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