DUST Search - @ CCP Sabrewing / Assault Bonuses Fixed

David Spd wrote:

Auris Lionesse wrote:

Lol iron wolf saber lost all his credibility in this thread.
no idea how he became a cpm, no wonder this game is so broken.

Galente are active tankers. Complex repairer should be able to get to 10 armor rep a second or slightly over that after adding in skills. Caldari desperately need a regulator buff.

while medium suits are cruisers. with 1 slot no Caldari heavy will be able to rep like a drake which it should.
Caldari assault needs to be able to rep quickly.

Ideally we'd have mid slots also, more mods like shield/armor resistance mods and tracking mods to help turning speed on shotguns while ads.

suits need a 4 bonus system like eve, if you went tech 2 you'd get two bonuses for that ships role.

This is the thorax from eve:
Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage
7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed

That's just the basic gallente cruiser, not even tech 2, I.e.
gallente medium, then you get two bonuses for going assault, or two bonuses for going logistics.

The op is fine for all races as the game currently is because ccps not giving enough bonuses and assault and logistics are basically acting as the tech two stand ins for medium standard frames being tech one with no role bonuses.

If iron wolf wants to give the assault suit combat bonuses and not tank bonuses, do this and give each assault suit a weapon bonus like eve would to encourage use of that weapon on the suit of the race it belongs to.

Yeah let's just copy everything over from EVE Online and expect it to translate perfectly well. I don't play EVE but as far as I know it's not a twitch-based skill shooter.

You can't just lob a bunch of offensive or defensive tank bonuses into passive skills and expect everybody to be pleased. As a first person shooter if you are better at the game than your opponent then it needs to show. Dust is supposed to be faster paced, and we're all ready seeing a low population thanks to the game requiring months of dedicated play to actually be competitive with skill investments.

Not only this but Dust 514 has insane competition when it comes to the genre. As an EVE Online player tell me what kinds of modern games do you have to play as alternatives? Dust needs to evolve beyond the "constraints" of EVE Online to appeal to a different audience. EVE Online should be used as a rough concept to take inspiration from, not be the base fundamentals upon which this game is built.

Also the idea of making "tracking" mods on any first person shooter is ridiculous. This was one of the prime issues of Heavies being broken UP before Uprising: the restriction of turning speed. In a game where fast-paced twitch based skill is key, a heavy was a waste of a suit, since they couldn't turn fast enough to hit anything. Which is why the restriction was removed. That means people with better aim in a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER will do better. The only "tracking" that needs to be in a console FPS is aim-assist to help with the general inaccuracies of using joysticks with our thumbs, and people ***** up a storm about even that. "Mandatory" aim-assist with increasing strengths ON MODS would make people furious because it eliminates the need for SKILL in a SKILL BASED GENRE. And before someone quotes me saying EVE Online requires skill.. yes... I know all video games require some level of skill. These aren't the same skills we're talking about. Different genres = different skills required. You can be the best EVE Online player in the world... and be terrible at Dust 514 and vice versa.

And semi-unrelated to this quote more directed at OP: I find Regulator bonus to be much more fitting to Caldari Assault, but I was never directly opposed to reload bonus either. Both bonuses support the same concept of hit & move gameplay I think supports the Assaults well.


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Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 182	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:28:00 - [1] - Quote Lol iron wolf saber lost all his credibility in this thread. no idea how he became a cpm, no wonder this game is so broken. Galente are active tankers. Complex repairer should be able to get to 10 armor rep a second or slightly over that after adding in skills. Caldari desperately need a regulator buff. while medium suits are cruisers. with 1 slot no Caldari heavy will be able to rep like a drake which it should. Caldari assault needs to be able to rep quickly. Ideally we'd have mid slots also, more mods like shield/armor resistance mods and tracking mods to help turning speed on shotguns while ads. suits need a 4 bonus system like eve, if you went tech 2 you'd get two bonuses for that ships role. This is the thorax from eve: Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed That's just the basic gallente cruiser, not even tech 2, I.e. gallente medium, then you get two bonuses for going assault, or two bonuses for going logistics. The op is fine for all races as the game currently is because ccps not giving enough bonuses and assault and logistics are basically acting as the tech two stand ins for medium standard frames being tech one with no role bonuses. If iron wolf wants to give the assault suit combat bonuses and not tank bonuses, do this and give each assault suit a weapon bonus like eve would to encourage use of that weapon on the suit of the race it belongs to.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 185	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:15:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: This is the same reson why it could be abused. 2cx Shield ext, 3 Shield Regulators and 2 shield energizers or rechargers would result in 400HP being recharged in less than 6 seconds total. Is...way too much of an advantage, that the CALDARI SCOUT is best to abuse. Did you do the math based on your new proposed bonus? Because with a bonus to Rechargers/Energizers I think a Caldari Assault with the same fit as you listed above would recharge it's shields in about the same time as it would with a Regulator bonus (remember that even without a bonus to Regulators the shield delay would be around 2.3 and 3.7). So if you think a Regulator bonus is OP, then so would a Recharger/Energizer bonus. You ARE CORRECT. And im a dumbass. I really dont care if caldaris recharge at 0 secs XD . I like the regulator bonus and think its useful its staying, re edited the post. Please give your opinion on the 2 ''DPS'' bonuses i added as alternatives for gal and CAl. We still can ALL Agree they are way better, way more balanced than what CCP is currently proposing. The original bonuses in your OP were great. A fully dedicated shield tank with nothing but regs in lows shoul be able to rep passively. That's how the Caldari play.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:31:00 - [3] - Quote Dunce Masterson wrote: if they are not going to put the heat mechanic on the RR then the laser heat mechanic needs to go so a proper amarr bonus would be, 5% armor resistance to all damage per level (since gallente get 10% to armor repairs) no rail technology fires through magnets, no need for overheating. though legitimate damage resistances need to be introduced. all suits should have em, explosive, kinetic, and thermal resistances for shields and armor as base stats that varies depending on suit function and race. im fine with an amarr suit having both tbh, not many people are good with laser weapons as it is anyway. an amount of damage resistance and the heat reduction bonus would be ideal.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:48:00 - [4] - Quote David Spd wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Lol iron wolf saber lost all his credibility in this thread. no idea how he became a cpm, no wonder this game is so broken. Galente are active tankers. Complex repairer should be able to get to 10 armor rep a second or slightly over that after adding in skills. Caldari desperately need a regulator buff. while medium suits are cruisers. with 1 slot no Caldari heavy will be able to rep like a drake which it should. Caldari assault needs to be able to rep quickly. Ideally we'd have mid slots also, more mods like shield/armor resistance mods and tracking mods to help turning speed on shotguns while ads. suits need a 4 bonus system like eve, if you went tech 2 you'd get two bonuses for that ships role. This is the thorax from eve: Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 7.5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret tracking speed That's just the basic gallente cruiser, not even tech 2, I.e. gallente medium, then you get two bonuses for going assault, or two bonuses for going logistics. The op is fine for all races as the game currently is because ccps not giving enough bonuses and assault and logistics are basically acting as the tech two stand ins for medium standard frames being tech one with no role bonuses. If iron wolf wants to give the assault suit combat bonuses and not tank bonuses, do this and give each assault suit a weapon bonus like eve would to encourage use of that weapon on the suit of the race it belongs to. Yeah let's just copy everything over from EVE Online and expect it to translate perfectly well. I don't play EVE but as far as I know it's not a twitch-based skill shooter. You can't just lob a bunch of offensive or defensive tank bonuses into passive skills and expect everybody to be pleased. As a first person shooter if you are better at the game than your opponent then it needs to show. Dust is supposed to be faster paced, and we're all ready seeing a low population thanks to the game requiring months of dedicated play to actually be competitive with skill investments. Not only this but Dust 514 has insane competition when it comes to the genre. As an EVE Online player tell me what kinds of modern games do you have to play as alternatives? Dust needs to evolve beyond the "constraints" of EVE Online to appeal to a different audience. EVE Online should be used as a rough concept to take inspiration from, not be the base fundamentals upon which this game is built. Also the idea of making "tracking" mods on any first person shooter is ridiculous. This was one of the prime issues of Heavies being broken UP before Uprising: the restriction of turning speed. In a game where fast-paced twitch based skill is key, a heavy was a waste of a suit, since they couldn't turn fast enough to hit anything. Which is why the restriction was removed. That means people with better aim in a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER will do better. The only "tracking" that needs to be in a console FPS is aim-assist to help with the general inaccuracies of using joysticks with our thumbs, and people ***** up a storm about even that. "Mandatory" aim-assist with increasing strengths ON MODS would make people furious because it eliminates the need for SKILL in a SKILL BASED GENRE. And before someone quotes me saying EVE Online requires skill.. yes... I know all video games require some level of skill. These aren't the same skills we're talking about. Different genres = different skills required. You can be the best EVE Online player in the world... and be terrible at Dust 514 and vice versa. And semi-unrelated to this quote more directed at OP: I find Regulator bonus to be much more fitting to Caldari Assault, but I was never directly opposed to reload bonus either. Both bonuses support the same concept of hit & move gameplay I think supports the Assaults well. You already invalidated your entire post within your first paragraph because dust is not supposed to be a twitch based shooter. It's an extension of eve online on the console in the form of an fps. this game is not tryin to compete with cod it's supposed to be an mmo first with deep interaction with eve. Second I never suggested or even remotely hinted at tracking mods tracking a target. I said improve ads turn spee for weapons that are currently too slow such as the shotgun. learn to read. This game is failing because it's not enough like eve which has grown year after year. Why would people pay 15$ a month on a more complex and difficult and unfair game? Because eves formula works/!: this hodgepodge they've created with dust doesn't which is why they can't even get people to play it for free. Without eve online dust does not and should not exist. this isn't call of duty so twitch shooter shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as dust lol. This game is about tactics strategy and metagame. Not going 40-0 with your sensitivity maxed out.