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Free Beers wrote:

Darth Threatius wrote:

I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter.

Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS

First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF?

None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it.

How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd.

CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps.

Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real.

Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C.
Obliviously locking districts is part of that.

Oh Darth Scrubious CCP loves the Meta like a toothless ***** loves the ****. As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same thing occurs in eve and has been apart of the game, well, forever. CCP won't do anything nor do they really even care. PC is not the land of hugs. If you can't take the district by yourself you have 2 options left: pay for it or play pubs.

Can you please show me in the game description where it says everyone gets participation trophies and their own little district to call their own. Thing is you can either pay the ransom, protection, extortion and participate in PFC or not. I wouldn't pay it. I find corps that try to promote e-honor or principles in dust are pretty terrible and belong in pubs anyways.

o7 best of luck

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HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4507	Posted - 2014.02.09 08:46:00 - [31] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Two things 1. It is not very smart for those people on PFC to bash everyone outside of PFC who says something or gives input. PFC should start teaching those corps the value of not **** talking every corp outside of PFC. If they honestly expect to get a district outside of PFC and no one will attack them for constantly talking crap, they are very dumb. It would be funny though lol, AE, FA, NS, DDB, WTF, etc. all argue on who gets to attack them, or they all just form a 16 merc team of all of their corps to attack so everyone gets in on it lol. Public relations are important though and rolling down the window and urinating on everyone the car drives by along the sidewalk isn't really smart... Unless you are like me and know that if I urinate on you, you should say "thank you sir, may I have another?!" 2. Sota! Sign this! When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them. That being said, you should go read your own corp member statements before coming down on us with veiled threats yet again and trying to push any sort of wise statement that we should follow. Put your own house in order before judging us for our efforts at trying to put logic in peoples mind. In all conversations you are mentioned because your alliance owns 40% of all districts, don't take it personally. If you do then I am impressed we are regarded with such attention and we are honoured by it ! I know you mean well. Your corp is the type of corp that would actually gain from PFC, and I know you guys will eventually make a big splash on Molden Heath. I just suggest with all this magnifying glass on PFC it might make more sense for these new corps to align with an established alliance, to get free protection and assitence, diplomacy?
Judge SoTa PoP Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2014.02.09 09:16:00 - [32] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: A low low fee. Please pay up front, we will gladly take your money this month as we feel we are the strongest corp. However we give no refunds if next month we were unable to hold your districts, but if you give us more money we will gladly get you a district back sometime in the future. We are here for you younger corps "insert pretty fluffy wording with the desire to win your hearts and minds" but please send your corps hard earned isk! Its really not that much Taste, If there district is flipped we flip it back at no cost to them. Renter fee covers all. and if you feel like you can put together a team to beat your old alliance, by all means FINALLY DO. WE'VE BEEN WAITING. Until then we'll continue to enjoy flipping your districts.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1852	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:55:00 - [33] - Quote WTF is Hellstorm doing with with a PFC district in the first place. What type of closed beta **** corp are they? Jesus just clear them out and end their embarrassment. Taste my man I find it hard to take you seriously when you earn a paycheck for doing nothing in PC land. While I think PFC should just be removed I do laugh at people who call it extortion. Damn right it is and its been a part of New Eden as long as I can remember. They are called renter alliances in nullsec. I still can't passed how many scrubs play in PC and want the passive isk but God forbid people find a way to earn it. I still think PC should be shut off and put the isk into FW. Passive isk has made the vet community just a bunch of ***s and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. Your closed beta self would have kicked your PC isk farming asses. [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2615	Posted - 2014.02.09 16:44:00 - [34] - Quote Who is sht talking corps outside of pfc or saying that they can take corps outside of it? Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 818	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:36:00 - [35] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Who is sht talking corps outside of pfc or saying that they can take corps outside of it? First page I believe. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2620	Posted - 2014.02.09 23:54:00 - [36] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Who is sht talking corps outside of pfc or saying that they can take corps outside of it? First page I believe. I mean the others hidden within the hype lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 211	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:17:00 - [37] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Two things 1. It is not very smart for those people on PFC to bash everyone outside of PFC who says something or gives input. PFC should start teaching those corps the value of not ** talking every corp outside of PFC. If they honestly expect to get a district outside of PFC and no one will attack them for constantly talking crap, they are very dumb. It would be funny though lol, AE, FA, NS, DDB, WTF, etc. all argue on who gets to attack them, or they all just form a 16 merc team of all of their corps to attack so everyone gets in on it lol. Public relations are important though and rolling down the window and urinating on everyone the car drives by along the sidewalk isn't really smart... Unless you are like me and know that if I urinate on you, you should say "thank you sir, may I have another?!" 2. Sota! Sign this! When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them. That being said, you should go read your own corp member statements before coming down on us with veiled threats yet again and trying to push any sort of wise statement that we should follow. Put your own house in order before judging us for our efforts at trying to put logic in peoples mind. In all conversations you are mentioned because your alliance owns 40% of all districts, don't take it personally. If you do then I am impressed we are regarded with such attention and we are honoured by it ! 1. My corp and FA do a lot of smack talking... to themselves and each other. We know each other pretty well. You don't see our corps talking crap with random people we never heard of unless they started it. A prime example is Rampage because he is known for talking a lot of crap but the truth is, you won't see him starting crap with random people he has never heard of that he doesn't know. 2. "When a kid picks up a bad habit its because they have seen another person do it before them" <-- A lot of times, a kid sees but does not understand. You say you see us smack talking but do you understand it? Who are the people talking smack the most? Dust and Rampage, do you notice who they are talking to? The people they know in FA and Kobra, not random people they don't know. If two people don't like each other and always nag at the other when they are together, it is understandable because that happens all the time between people that don't like each other. What you (not you as in you but in a general context) don't see is one of them attacking and starting an argument with someone they don't know who is asking a question. When that happens, they look like an ***** to everyone around them. To put in simple, two people arguing with someone they have history with and know is not really a very bad thing because many people don't get along with someone they know. So people for the most part shouldn't view it as "that person is such a jerk and is mean". If someone starts crap with a random person on the street who is asking a question or trying to give you directions, that person is a jerk and other people walking by will most likely view that person as such. 3. I only take one thing personally... looks at CCP Lockingbro y u no luv meh Dad? 4. I thought of this when you said "kid" :P 02/05/whatever Peace made between psychopath Yoshi and CCP. You all get to live... for now... :P
Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2014.02.10 00:44:00 - [38] - Quote I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter. Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF? None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it. How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd. CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps. Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real. Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C. Obliviously locking districts is part of that. This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1856	Posted - 2014.02.10 01:26:00 - [39] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter. Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF? None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it. How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd. CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps. Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real. Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C. Obliviously locking districts is part of that. Oh Darth Scrubious CCP loves the Meta like a toothless *** loves the **. As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same thing occurs in eve and has been apart of the game, well, forever. CCP won't do anything nor do they really even care. PC is not the land of hugs. If you can't take the district by yourself you have 2 options left: pay for it or play pubs. Can you please show me in the game description where it says everyone gets participation trophies and their own little district to call their own. Thing is you can either pay the ransom, protection, extortion and participate in PFC or not. I wouldn't pay it. I find corps that try to promote e-honor or principles in dust are pretty terrible and belong in pubs anyways. o7 best of luck [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 432	Posted - 2014.02.10 02:03:00 - [40] - Quote Something else that should be look at is Alliance with multiple district on PFC 3 is to many for one alliance to have, Two Alliances that have this is Zero-Day, and The Corvos, I just feel more corps from different alliances need to be on PFC

Darth Threatius Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 23	Posted - 2014.02.10 03:15:00 - [41] - Quote Free Beers wrote: Darth Threatius wrote: I speak for myself and not for my corp in this matter. Subsonic complains because there are MANY MANY Sooooo Many members in the corp that can easily see thru BS First came Teamplayers, then AE , then Pradox thought they could police the PFC but got ran off. Then came DDB now NF? None have every completely upheld the rules of PFC as far as policing it. How about a fee for reclaiming a district if it is taking by violation of the rules? That is really the only policing that really needs to be done. Also the only policing that can be done. You think the fact that you are policing is going to deter someone from attacking when they have nothing to lose? A weekly fee for doing NOTHING is absurd. CCP should be ashamed of allowing some of these large corps to act this way especially since there are dev. to player relationships within some of these "elite" corps. Subsonic has always kept it's district unlocked. Even though CCP has done a very poor job in creating a game that can't easily be manipulated doesn't mean you have to take advantage of unrealistic characteristics of the game. Treat the game as if it was real. Since when does a defender get to choose when they get attacked? That is the first mistake CCP made with P.C. Obliviously locking districts is part of that. Oh Darth Scrubious CCP loves the Meta like a toothless *** loves the **. As I pointed out earlier in the thread the same thing occurs in eve and has been apart of the game, well, forever. CCP won't do anything nor do they really even care. PC is not the land of hugs. If you can't take the district by yourself you have 2 options left: pay for it or play pubs. Can you please show me in the game description where it says everyone gets participation trophies and their own little district to call their own. Thing is you can either pay the ransom, protection, extortion and participate in PFC or not. I wouldn't pay it. I find corps that try to promote e-honor or principles in dust are pretty terrible and belong in pubs anyways. o7 best of luck glad you got your sissy whine session out of the way. too bad none of it was relevant to what I said. This could be a picture that you could look at yet now you're wasting your time reading this.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 60	Posted - 2014.02.10 04:40:00 - [42] - Quote A valid point and duely noted.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 974	Posted - 2014.02.10 14:54:00 - [43] - Quote Judge SoTa PoP wrote: So let's add your pennies and make something that anyone would want to make sure is runned successfully, that can survive even if NF breaks a part. Did you really use the word "runned" ? bwahahahaha What if a district that is under protection by a paying corp is lost to say, AE. And NF is unable to take the district back, because lets face it even the best of NF can be beaten which has been proven a few times lately. What can the corporation who lost its "protected" district expect as compensation back from the insurance company? Book value? 200 million?
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 214	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:29:00 - [44] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: Judge SoTa PoP wrote: So let's add your pennies and make something that anyone would want to make sure is runned successfully, that can survive even if NF breaks a part. Did you really use the word "runned" ? bwahahahaha What if a district that is under protection by a paying corp is lost to say, AE. And NF is unable to take the district back, because lets face it even the best of NF can be beaten which has been proven a few times lately. What can the corporation who lost its "protected" district expect as compensation back from the insurance company? Book value? 200 million? You then hire the Anime Coalition Their W/L is too good to have on text, it must be whispered in your ear with garlic breath... nice and slowly... Perfection complete... * blows kiss * I'm hungry... Dad! (CCP Lockingbro) Buy us pizza porfavor? CCP Lockingbro needs help! Sign!
Free Beers Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1856	Posted - 2014.02.10 16:58:00 - [45] - Quote Darth Threatius wrote: glad you got your sissy whine session out of the way. too bad none of it was relevant to what I said. Wait didn't you come in here whining? Complain about big corps some? Dev players relationship some? CCP letting corps pick on you some? Please take your *** * corp and play in pubs. ***** like you dont even belong in the war room Kid go back to playing candy crush your vag is showing [CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm [CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit [CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 240	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:11:00 - [46] - Quote In the real world there is a word for this type of activity; EXTORTION! How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 114	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:31:00 - [47] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: In the real world there is a word for this type of activity; EXTORTION! How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. <3
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1416	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:42:00 - [48] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: In the real world there is a word for this type of activity; EXTORTION! How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. Just today, actually, an alliance PFC district was attacked by a corp who has previously stolen one of our PFC districts before, when Ancient Exiles was supposed to be providing enforcement. And in previous attacks they've brought overwhelming numbers of clones. Why do we support it? We may very well be getting more than our money's worth this week alone. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2572	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:49:00 - [49] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: bigolenuts wrote: In the real world there is a word for this type of activity; EXTORTION! How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. Just today, actually, an alliance PFC district was attacked by a corp who has previously stolen one of our PFC districts before, when Ancient Exiles was supposed to be providing enforcement. And in previous attacks they've brought overwhelming numbers of clones. Why do we support it? We may very well be getting more than our money's worth this week alone. If you were smart you would have burnt PFC via proxy before coming to its rescue. Alas! You aren't smart. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
CR4SH OVERRIDE 0	Posted - 2014.02.10 17:50:00 - [50] - Quote Judge SoTa PoP wrote: NF is willing to let other corps police and take the ISK for doing so - we're not saying we monopolize this business. The business is created so the community has an entity to work with regarding PFC, so PFC itself can choose who polices it. So if a corp on PFC says they want another corp other than one in NF to protect them... they they don't have to pay the 8 mil a week to NF? Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 2/22/2014 3:38:16 AM.

bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 243	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:21:00 - [51] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: bigolenuts wrote: In the real world there is a word for this type of activity; EXTORTION! How and why people think this is a "deal" is beyond me. Kudos to those refusing to pay and shame on you to those who are following along. Just today, actually, an alliance PFC district was attacked by a corp who has previously stolen one of our PFC districts before, when Ancient Exiles was supposed to be providing enforcement. And in previous attacks they've brought overwhelming numbers of clones. Why do we support it? We may very well be getting more than our money's worth this week alone. I attacked you in my alt Corp. See you on the field.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1417	Posted - 2014.02.10 19:38:00 - [52] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: I attacked you in my alt Corp. See you on the field. The fight isn't in my time zone, but I'm sure my associates will give you a good fight. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:06:00 - [53] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: bigolenuts wrote: I attacked you in my alt Corp. See you on the field. The fight isn't in my time zone, but I'm sure my associates will give you a good fight. I lied
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.02.10 20:08:00 - [54] - Quote Good point up there dude. So, if Corp A doesn't pay the extortion fee and says they will defend their land themselves why do the PFC Police have to attack them and take it? Why can they not just stay and keep their land until the time limit is up? According to the rules of PFC hiring ringers is not allowed. So....that would eliminate the Kanes crew of misfits from coming in.
Z3R0 GR4VITY Red Star. EoN. 331	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:37:00 - [55] - Quote bigolenuts wrote: Good point up there dude. So, if Corp A doesn't pay the extortion fee and says they will defend their land themselves why do the PFC Police have to attack them and take it? Why can they not just stay and keep their land until the time limit is up? According to the rules of PFC hiring ringers is not allowed. So....that would eliminate the Kanes crew of misfits from coming in. You're thinking too logically here, this is the war room where only nonsense and bullshit can be understood. Even though good points have been made, it doesn't matter apparently. "Oh yeah, well where did you buy your clothes, the toilet store?"
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1641	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:42:00 - [56] - Quote Simply state the names of those who did not pay the fee and say they are fair game for eviction so if Corp A refuses to pay the fee and Corp B wants a district tell Corp B they can try and flip it if they want. If they succeed they have a PFC district if they fail they got some practice. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 2290	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:59:00 - [57] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Simply state the names of those who did not pay the fee and say they are fair game for eviction so if Corp A refuses to pay the fee and Corp B wants a district tell Corp B they can try and flip it if they want. If they succeed they have a PFC district if they fail they got some practice. I like this... as long as the district is unlocked, locked ones ought to get sniped by NF Listen I'll change the song every week
CR4SH OVERRIDE 4	Posted - 2014.02.11 14:38:00 - [58] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Simply state the names of those who did not pay the fee and say they are fair game for eviction so if Corp A refuses to pay the fee and Corp B wants a district tell Corp B they can try and flip it if they want. If they succeed they have a PFC district if they fail they got some practice. And what if corp B calls in ringers to flip it... is that "fair" to corp A since they really shouldn't use ringers per the rules of PFC? If corp A is doing everything that PFC was intended for and following all rules but not paying this extortion fee... do you think it is fair that they lose their PFC district to some other corp that is willing to roll over and give into this forced insurance plan? Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 2/22/2014 3:38:16 AM.


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