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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:38:00 -
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protostomping has always been a problem in DUST, and is supposedly becoming a bigger problem now. i'll probably get flamed for this, but I actually take a slightly defensive standpoint on protostomping, and here's why:
The Isk Factor: protostomping isn't cheap, and if you die too much, then you'll be broke before you can blink, UNLESS you are in a corp who can farm isk off of PC.
Skill IS A Factor: the reality is, if you suck in STD or ADV gear, then you won't do much better in proto (UNLESS you are a skill-less FoTM scrub. if that's the case, then you should be ashamed to even call yourself good). I've seen many proto players that are just trash, even in FoTM gear. I saw a fully proto heavy go 2\25. I can't even imagine how expensive that had to be. I run a proto scout that can cost as much as 200k, but I don't lose isk because I don't die much. I don't have a corp that just gives me millions of isk, and i die in .25 seconds of concentrated fire. why don't i lose isk? because i know the limitations of my suit, and i try to stay within those boundaries(most of the time).
Protostomping Requires A Squad: protostomping isn't anything when it's one guy running proto by himself. protostomping requires a SQUAD of proto players who know play, because no matter how much proto you wear, if you suck, you just suck.
it's been said before, but i suggest a much longer academy or a mode that doesn't allow proto suits, but gives less isk. that way people can have a mode where everyone is on the same playing field, and people don't have to worry about who has better gear.
Anime > EVERYTHING
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:41:00 -
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Proto gear by itself isn't the problem, stomping is, however voluntarily giving up some advantages is the only viable solution to make things less bad, proto gear is the most obvious choice. |
Jake Bloodworth
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
397
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:45:00 -
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PvE is so absolutely necessary. That and a market are the only thing that will fix this perceived problem in an organic and non nerf bat way. I don't think it's all that bad to be honest. It's squad/vet stomping that is happening. Proto is simply the scapegoat a community of talentless players, who can't take personal responsibility, have chosen.
New players refuse to join channels and squad with veteran mentors.
Old players refuse to recognize they have no gun game and few friends with gun game. So, they complain about proto. Anything else, and they would actually give credit to those that beat them. |
The Infected One
Fatal Absolution
Public Disorder.
678
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:54:00 -
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Jake Bloodworth wrote:
Old players refuse to recognize they have no gun game and few friends with gun game. So, they complain about proto. Anything else, and they would actually give credit to those that beat them.
This is true in most cases. Every once and a while I'll get a GG mail at the end of the match from a guy who ran proto the whole time vs my standard suits when I end up dominating him over and over.
I managed to take down the same proto gal logi with a kala RR, 5 times before he killed me while I was in a sever logistics suit with a basic CR because he just kept rushing in to my optimal range and trying to dance it out.
I laughed as he died, got mail at the end of the match, expected hate mail, received a "GG, you're a beast with that CR"
Most hate mail I get is if I use any proto anything, regardless of how well I do during the match, or how poor the enemy team actually is.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1166
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:02:00 -
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NOBODY HAS TO PLAY THIS GAME! IT IS NOT A DUTY, JOB OR COMMITMENT!
If it ain't fun, it's crap. You can afford to say "Adapt or die", "This game isn't for you" etc. CCP can not.
And I don't want to quit the game. I want a casual balance in pubs. FW is supposed to be for newbies too in EVE. It should be so in DUST.
There is no real connection to fighting for resources in EVE. PC is a crap epeen mechanic.
Whenever they add that then that will be the real metagame environment where the biggest dog wins.
Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
Legacy Rising
87
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:35:00 -
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I guess the EVE equivalent would be having new pilots fight Goonswarm day in and day out. Thats why PVE is so nice in EVE. I got proto, and anyone pretending there's no big difference between a proto suit and an ADV one is a liar. A complete an utter liar. I have one of the weakest of proto suits, the minmatar logi. I can still crush any adv suit in the game with it.
Proto is supposed to be high tier as well as the eventual goal towards your racial suit preference, which i dont mind at all. I do mind the crap matchmaking and how the majority of proto will only try to use the suits against weaker opponents, and cry out on the comms "oh its nyan san better rock free suits" and then use made up phrases like "gungame".
People rock proto to crush others who don't have it. And if those other people are new to the game, well its a sad day for them. CCP really ought to fix matchmaking and hopefully the SP sink. People shouldn't have to grind out 2.5 million SP just to be competitive.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2402
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:59:00 -
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ISK factor - They are already rich on a personal level and a corp level, there corp can easily fund protostomps, ISK isnt a factor
Skill - Ah skill, Gal logi with x3 dmg mods, who needs skill with a setup like that just land a few shots and that militia frontline suit is dead, or tanking a suit with upto 1000hp and its a medium suit i think that can last against a militia AR, proto can and generally makes the better players better because it increases DPS/HP and TTK on them, it can make average players above average but even then most players have the core skills maxed out so compared to new players they are better in basic gear than the new player
Squad - Most corps run squads, most corps already are rich and so are the players generally and they are all able to support each other with hives/reps and 360scan
Intelligence is OP
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