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WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 80	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:49:00 - [1] - Quote Should there be a penalty to cpu and pg for using weapons on a different races suit? Amarr suit with a scrambler rifle no penalty with a rail rifle, combat rifle, assault rifle 25% penalty to weapon cpu and pg. Something like that. The weapons in game are made for the suits of the same race why not have some sort of penalty for putting it on a different racial suit. Or have a racial crossover skill that allows use of other racial weapons. Swarm SP Refund Please!!!!!!! "LONG LIVE DARK LEGION"
buzzzzzzz killllllllll TRA1LBLAZERS 139	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:53:00 - [2] - Quote + 9001
Ripley Riley 470	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:55:00 - [3] - Quote That pigeon holes you into using the racial weapons. Instead of penalizing you, just provide a bonus with your race's weapons. That is enough of an incentive. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1329	Posted - 2014.02.04 17:58:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: That pigeon holes you into using the racial weapons. Instead of penalizing you, just provide a bonus with your race's weapons. That is enough of an incentive. This guy gets it. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 630	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:00:00 - [5] - Quote Also, Amarr has no Heavy weapons, what do they do? Same with Gallente. And Caldari need to use HMG's once THEIR Heavies drop, because no Heavy AI weapon yet. And Minmatar using FG's for the opposite reason. So... no. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Squagga The State Protectorate 147	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:07:00 - [6] - Quote Oh my god I didn't think you were still in the game. Uh sorry no. I mean technically it makes sense. We already got enough problems with CCP understanding and following basic logic. It would just be cruel to challenge them any further Reloading, the silent killer.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8813	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:12:00 - [7] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: That pigeon holes you into using the racial weapons. Instead of penalizing you, just provide a bonus with your race's weapons. That is enough of an incentive. Important note: this is how Eve does it and it works very well. This Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
sabre prime The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 65	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:53:00 - [8] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: The weapons in game are made for the suits of the same race... In terms of lore, yes that is true. But in terms of reality, no that is not true. Do the racial suits currently give benefits to each of their racial weapons? The only suit that did that (Amarr assault) is having that benefit potentially removed. Instead of applying penalties for combining cross racial suit/weapons, CCP should build on the idea of benefits to weapons for staying racially pure. Just like the Amarr assault. Edit: point already made above. Desperate attempt to get BPOs
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1814	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:36:00 - [9] - Quote No because then I can't justify using a rail rifle on my Gallente even though rail tech is both Gallente and Caldari. Armor and Shields are not the same!
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 631	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:40:00 - [10] - Quote You should not be punished for using another race's weapon. you should get rewarded for using racial weapons on their respective dropsuits. Best PVE idea I've seen.

KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1008	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:50:00 - [11] - Quote Who wants the world where every amarr suit wields only amarr weapons? Every caldari suit only caldari weapons? Gallente gallente? You get the point. Creating penalties/bonuses inevitably leads to that. Everyone deviating from that is a loltard. Why? If some weapons has bonus, the gameplay has to be balanced considering that bonus. So it sets a new par, new baseline for that weapon type. Therefore non-bonused use of those weapons is obsolete. Masochism L5.
Oswald Rehnquist 1212	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:52:00 - [12] - Quote Well, if we are going with this idea, instead of a penalty I think it should be a small fitting reduction based on the suit, like a small 1-5%, so the only thing it would help with if you were just out of reach of just making a fit. So you end up with two min max builds A) putting the best of everything on a suit (which most likely is racially mixed) B) making a suit more efficient by sticking to one race to fit a little extra on it. I think the above would make a good for the meta game. Below 28 dB
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 125	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:54:00 - [13] - Quote The racial bonuses that are being introduced in 1.8 are fantastic from a lore and verisimilitude perspective and I love that the races are becoming more defined in their battlefield philosophy but if you get too carried away and start penalising in the way you outlined in the OP then you are basically eradicating the flexibility of fittings and combat tactics that DUST has had as a cornerstone since the start. I got into this game because you could fit dropsuits any way you wanted and this is what made the game unique. Take that away and what you're left with is a similar model as all other military FPS games where you#re basically a support, a scout, an assault...but with races. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1826	Posted - 2014.02.04 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote Eeh, As it stands I am currently opposed to that idea. Your weapon determines more about you style of play then your suit does. Unlike EVE where your ship determines how you play. If we had full racial parity for all ranges then sure that wouldn't be a problem. But as it stands if I want to play a shotgun scout I would have to be a gallante (per your suggestion) otherwise I miss the bonuses. However if we had a Gallante, Minamatar, Caldari and Amarr Shotgun each with their own specific perks etc. Then I would agree. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1091	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:03:00 - [15] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Also, Amarr has no Heavy weapons, what do they do? Same with Gallente. And Caldari need to use HMG's once THEIR Heavies drop, because no Heavy AI weapon yet. And Minmatar using FG's for the opposite reason. So... no. MKB + FG = AI weapon STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
MrShooter01 Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 486	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:22:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: That pigeon holes you into using the racial weapons. Instead of penalizing you, just provide a bonus with your race's weapons. That is enough of an incentive. Important note: this is how Eve does it and it works very well. The thing is, the only time it is acceptable to put whatever kind of turret you want on a ship in EVE is when that ship doesn't have a bonus to a particular turret type. In Dust, the base DPS of the weapons is so comparatively high that you CAN put other race's weapons on your dropsuits and still be effective. In EVE, you NEED the ship bonus to do decent damage in most cases. As long as one of the ship bonuses is to a specific type of weapon, choosing not to fit that weapon in the name of player choice and creativity is a terrible idea. You can get away with putting whatever kind of weapon you want on a ship that has no explicit bonus to a particular turret, for example, drone ships like the Prophecy and Myrmidon which have multiple unbonused weapon hardpoints. On the other hand, if you put anything other than medium projectile turrets on a Hurricane, or medium hybrid turrets on a Brutix... well, the people who kill you are going to be very, very amused by your "outside the box" thinking. They'll probably share the killmail with all their friends so they can discuss the creative way you fit the ship.
Ripley Riley 489	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:26:00 - [17] - Quote MrShooter01 wrote: In Dust, the base DPS of the weapons is so comparatively high that you CAN put other race's weapons on your dropsuits and still be effective. The racial dropsuit's weapon bonuses shouldn't be base damage then. They should shore up a weapon's weakness: reducing heat build-upon lasers for Amarr, reduce spool up time on rail rifles for Caldari, etc. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 640	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:39:00 - [18] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Also, Amarr has no Heavy weapons, what do they do? Same with Gallente. And Caldari need to use HMG's once THEIR Heavies drop, because no Heavy AI weapon yet. And Minmatar using FG's for the opposite reason. So... no. MKB + FG = AI weapon The control type is irrelevant. It is still primarily AV. I can kill Infantry with MY FG with a DS3, but that means nothing. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1092	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Also, Amarr has no Heavy weapons, what do they do? Same with Gallente. And Caldari need to use HMG's once THEIR Heavies drop, because no Heavy AI weapon yet. And Minmatar using FG's for the opposite reason. So... no. MKB + FG = AI weapon The control type is irrelevant. It is still primarily AV. I can kill Infantry with MY FG with a DS3, but that means nothing. Yea but with MKB its insanely easy. STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado, Cannabis Sativa Connoisseur
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4363	Posted - 2014.02.04 20:43:00 - [20] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: That pigeon holes you into using the racial weapons. Instead of penalizing you, just provide a bonus with your race's weapons. That is enough of an incentive. Important note: this is how Eve does it and it works very well. I like this guy. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)



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