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ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 547	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:08:00 - [1] - Quote i like the idea of combat rifle and rail rifle bringing variety to this dull game. but when you nerf armor and shields making this a game of call of duty with space weapons its pointless to own or use proto suits in anything other then pc and even then it wouldnt matter. as much as id like to deny and say i never used proto in pubs i would be lying because i have many times. not all the times but many. im not saying nerf anything. what i am asking for is a complete total armor and shield buff. why? because the combat rifle murders you with 2 burst doesnt matter what suit you have it is very powerful the rail rifle isnt as powerful because it shoots like a breach and can be defeated close up. but the range is seriously too much. now the survivability of suits is at its all time low. WTH and WTF where you thinking? you seriously made this game like cod you get shot and it feels like you got 1 shot killed by a thales. Buff shields to where they were in chromosome buff armor to how it was not to long ago sometime in september then the game would feel somewhat even with these new weapons. unless this was a part of your "balancing" the game idea. then id have to say FAIL. viziam scrambler OMG if there wasnt a godliar weapon. i had on a proto caldari suit of 460 shields and around 500 armor and got 1 shot killed 4 times in a row by this gun. you cannot tell me this gun was made to do this. its the weakness of shields and armor. can i please get some kind of feedback from the people who still play this or have played this in the last month. is it just me? or did the devs really mess up? and what are they going to do about this? i know you have dealt with rage from the community since day one and it is frustrating but if the community was heard just a little bit it would make somewhat of a differance. People play this game daily and would know what issues are there and arent im sure people arent just making this up to get the game to go their way. ive never seen a dev in a pub match or a pc, but i have seen the same people for almost 2 years now playing this game and i think they know a bit about the issues. an answer to a fix would be greatly appreciated. and please not an answer to shut us up until the next mess update you create. i mean an answer and sticking to fixing the issues in the game. its been wayy to long for you to not know what you are doing STILL. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4261	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:19:00 - [2] - Quote I kinda find it funny how everyone says the Combat and Rail Rifles are OP, yet I can 1-4 shot most suits with a SCR.. I don't even use Amarr Assault or Proficiency. No need for ADS either. Does -20% even matter when you have such an extreme amount of damage? Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 547	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:23:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: I kinda find it funny how everyone says the Combat and Rail Rifles are OP, yet I can 1-4 shot most suits with a SCR.. I don't even use Amarr Assault or Proficiency. No need for ADS either. Does -20% even matter when you have such an extreme amount of damage? the crazy thing is theres going to be more power added to the scrambler i think by fw lp. or something like that. but in my opinion its not the weapons. its the ninja nerf on the suits. if you played in closed beta all the way till pc was introduced nothing was ever said about the shields and armor. actually 1 thing was said about armor people wanted a buff but still the suits were really never an issue back then now a 1000hp suit is no differant then a militia its crazy to have 25 plus million sp and still die like you just got out of acadamy like WTF CCP REALLY? what did people spend all this time on this game for? *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 174	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:25:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: I kinda find it funny how everyone says the Combat and Rail Rifles are OP, yet I can 1-4 shot most suits with a SCR.. I don't even use Amarr Assault or Proficiency. No need for ADS either. Does -20% even matter when you have such an extreme amount of damage? Amen brother, amen. Armor tankers have just entered the game ive been playing since the start. Ah you thought short TTK was your ally? You merely just now entered my world. I was born in it, molded by it. I've never seen anything but short TTK. What's not to love about the scrambler rifle, the thing is a precision weapon and at the same time a shotgun.
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 530	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:25:00 - [5] - Quote Do you have any idea how hard scrambler rifles are to use? Viziam or the others are the hardest rifles to use besides the laser or breach. And even those wont blow up in your face. Tanks are garbage and jihad jeeps are heros. Not sure what you mean about armor/sheilds or buffing them. I give you this: S H I T is frustrating as hell in this game right now. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 547	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:34:00 - [6] - Quote scramblers arent that hard to use. the only way its hard its if its the holding the charge for a 1 shot kill the timing does take some skill i agree. but when you can kill someone in 4 shots its not that hard to use. ive maxed proficiency in them, assaults, combat rifles, and im lvl 3 proficiency in rails. the scrambler is to damn strong with the weakness of the suits. so yes buff armor and shields and then it will make this game a bit better no need to nerf the guns because ccp does a horrible job at it just remember the missle pistol. the suits from advance to proto need a buff in shields and armor. survivability is whats needed the point of getting to a proto lvl suit is to be able to do more. to achieve kills and skill others dont have because they have not earned the lvl suit that others have. a lvl 1 scout with a combat or a viziam scrambler can take on a fully proto assault this is how u can tell the game seriously needs work. i started playing this game back when if you didnt get the code from ccp you werent in closed beta. or you had to contact contra for one. thee 1st build when heavies wouldnt die. ive been through all the bs this game has had but i can honestly say this is just thee worst of it all. great weapons great tanks no av's. no survivability . you made it to proto lvl so some random scrub with a militia suit can kill you with his combat rifle or scrambler or rail. makes no sence *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 242	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:36:00 - [7] - Quote Remove Aim assist, remove bullet magnetism and TTK will go back to where it was. Bring balance to this game CCP. Oh yea trap, why do you think so many guys roll around in tanks now?
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 547	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:40:00 - [8] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Remove Aim assist, remove bullet magnetism and TTK will go back to where it was. Bring balance to this game CCP. Oh yea trap, why do you think so many guys roll around in tanks now? aim assist isnt the issue. as i never had mine on to begin with bro its just the weakness in suits man. im telling you why do you think i went proto gallente assault? because shields werent worth a damn. now the armor isnt worth anything either between the rate of fire of the combat rifle and the damage it does per sec its just way to much for any suit to survive. ill prove it tomorrow with you ill jump on my heavy suit oprahh and let you 3 burst kill a 1300 plus hp heavy with 3 burst of the rifle. then you will see what i mean. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
HYENAKILLER X AGGRESSIVE TYPE 530	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:42:00 - [9] - Quote So if the scrambler is so op and so easy to use why do you almost never see them. I see maybe 1 every other game. Also flaylock pistol was rediculously op. So was the mass driver. You could not fight them. When you cant fight something its op. Ill fight scramblers and win 90% of the time. You are welcome for my leadership *Proven Aggressive Type
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 547	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:44:00 - [10] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: So if the scrambler is so op and so easy to use why do you almost never see them. I see maybe 1 every other game. Also flaylock pistol was rediculously op. So was the mass driver. You could not fight them. When you cant fight something its op. Ill fight scramblers and win 90% of the time. because the combat rifle is much faster and easier to use. but before they came out everyone used them.scrambler rifles were fotm when the flaylock and mass driver was op. but the argument isnt the rifles as i said before i clearly said buff shields and armor on suits. not nerf the weapons. soooooooo yea *I Sware It Wasnt Me*

ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 242	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:44:00 - [11] - Quote ANON Illuminati wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Remove Aim assist, remove bullet magnetism and TTK will go back to where it was. Bring balance to this game CCP. Oh yea trap, why do you think so many guys roll around in tanks now? aim assist isnt the issue. as i never had mine on to begin with bro its just the weakness in suits man. im telling you why do you think i went proto gallente assault? because shields werent worth a damn. now the armor isnt worth anything either between the rate of fire of the combat rifle and the damage it does per sec its just way to much for any suit to survive. ill prove it tomorrow with you ill jump on my heavy suit oprahh and let you 3 burst kill a 1300 plus hp heavy with 3 burst of the rifle. then you will see what i mean. Oh man I totally understand you, I know time to kill is stupidly fast now. I dont know exactly why this is but I do know that when CCP changed the way aim assist worked it made the problem worse. I dont know what other changes they have made over the past 6 months or more but something needs to be done. Right now its a lot cheaper and generally more effective for people to buy a cheap ass 70k isk tank and go to town. Thats why there is so much tank spam. I will be honest, I feel more effective on the battlefield in my maddrugar with less than 7m sp, than I do on my main with 23+m sp.
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 547	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:47:00 - [12] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: ANON Illuminati wrote: ANON Cerberus wrote: Remove Aim assist, remove bullet magnetism and TTK will go back to where it was. Bring balance to this game CCP. Oh yea trap, why do you think so many guys roll around in tanks now? aim assist isnt the issue. as i never had mine on to begin with bro its just the weakness in suits man. im telling you why do you think i went proto gallente assault? because shields werent worth a damn. now the armor isnt worth anything either between the rate of fire of the combat rifle and the damage it does per sec its just way to much for any suit to survive. ill prove it tomorrow with you ill jump on my heavy suit oprahh and let you 3 burst kill a 1300 plus hp heavy with 3 burst of the rifle. then you will see what i mean. Oh man I totally understand you, I know time to kill is stupidly fast now. I dont know exactly why this is but I do know that when CCP changed the way aim assist worked it made the problem worse. I dont know what other changes they have made over the past 6 months or more but something needs to be done. Right now its a lot cheaper and generally more effective for people to buy a cheap ass 70k isk tank and go to town. Thats why there is so much tank spam. I will be honest, I feel more effective on the battlefield in my maddrugar with less than 7m sp, than I do on my main with 23+m sp. exactly. i did the same tonight ask stikki. it got to a point that tank spam was just bad and nothing but combat and rails. finally i said the hell with this im going to my tank account. its stupid. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 548	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:49:00 - [13] - Quote im an assault frontline slayer who played gun game the entire time only to come back and fight tanks with nothing. ccp litterally gave us eggs for av and those sheet like dresses they give you in the hospital with your a$$ hanging out *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 548	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:52:00 - [14] - Quote this is all i see going thru the general discussions on the forums. this is written by others not me. and ccp still chooses to ignore this. i feel bad for you when planetside and other fps and mmo games drop for the next gen. people will not stay. heres what i took from someone elses post. #1Posted: 2014.01.30 19:10 \| Report \| Edited by: Komodo Jones Unlike 3 I got buddies leaving the game that I never thought would be leaving, apparently they were secretly getting sick of it, there's still plenty of people to squad with but not really anyone I'm excited to get on and screw around with, and they're pretty much the only reason I play besides the SP...changes have to happen when good people who have invested a ton of time and money are capable of just picking up and leaving. I like that this game is unique to the realm of FPS but really...ya have to take some hints from other games like battlefield or mag, not because of how successful they are or their player base but just because no-one had a problem with them in terms of balancing. I've never heard anyone on any other multiplayer shooter, first or third person, that has complained about a gun being OP, and maybe that's because of the economy but it's to the point where people are getting frustrated and quitting and that's just poor game design, games that are difficult and challenging aren't bad, games that are frustrating and punishing aren't going to be very liked. Honestly I think this game should've started with PVE and then worked in the competitive mode later, people can't get frustrated with the game when the AI are built correctly. P.S.: There's alot going on and building in this post, taken back alot about other games not having balancing issues and turned more towards why people are leaving and getting frustrated, read ahead. This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 548	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:54:00 - [15] - Quote another #1Posted: 2013.12.24 17:26 \| Report \| Edited by: Crimson Cerberes Like Why does any CR do anywhere near the amount of damage as an HMG? (due to bullet grouping, extended range, and LOL RoF it does do more effective DPS) *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
Squagga The State Protectorate 102	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:55:00 - [16] - Quote Anybody that's been around long enough knows that I'm an AR guy. What you may not know is that I've skilled proficiency into every single racial AR. I'm currently working on a little PSA about the state of the four rifles as to what would be, in my opinion, needs to be worked on. With that being said; I don't know what why CCP comes up with these quirky little ideas of what they think would make the game "better". Like making it A LOT more difficult to get bullets. But that's not what we're talking about here. I honestly don't know how much I agree with you about the armor. The sheidls on the other hand what the flux happeneded there? Oh yeah! They even said it publicly in one of their dev videos that they don't want any of this bunny hopping around dancing fighting. This is the way we want things to be from now on. So .. why play this game? I own a copy of BF4. Should the entire DUST community just play COG?COD?BF? Golden Eye? Now that was a FPS. What's the point of putting time and effort of earning SP to build shields and armor? I got an idea! Let's just ... get rid of that part of the game! And then CCP Frame will go to everybodies house and give them a blowjob and then CCP Eterne will give them a blowjob! Then we'll all go play MAG together Reloading, the silent killer.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 242	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:55:00 - [17] - Quote Oi mate jump on dust I will be on in a few.
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 548	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:58:00 - [18] - Quote Squagga wrote: Anybody that's been around long enough knows that I'm an AR guy. What you may not know is that I've skilled proficiency into every single racial AR. I'm currently working on a little PSA about the state of the four rifles as to what would be, in my opinion, needs to be worked on. With that being said; I don't know what why CCP comes up with these quirky little ideas of what they think would make the game "better". Like making it A LOT more difficult to get bullets. But that's not what we're talking about here. I honestly don't know how much I agree with you about the armor. The sheidls on the other hand what the flux happeneded there? Oh yeah! They even said it publicly in one of their dev videos that they don't want any of this bunny hopping around dancing fighting. This is the way we want things to be from now on. So .. why play this game? I own a copy of BF4. Should the entire DUST community just play COG?COD?BF? Golden Eye? Now that was a FPS. What's the point of putting time and effort of earning SP to build shields and armor? I got an idea! Let's just ... get rid of that part of the game! And then CCP Frame will go to everybodies house and give them a blowjob and then CCP Eterne will give them a blowjob! Then we'll all go play MAG together im so down with mag but they killed the servers so mag is now rip as of the 28th but you do understand my point right? *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:59:00 - [19] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Oi mate jump on dust I will be on in a few. its 5 am i got off around 2am with stikki and them we got kasper back in ill be on later on in the day i need some sleep i just needed to vent to ccp about this game. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:01:00 - [20] - Quote heres another one #1Posted: 2014.01.31 00:35 \| Report \| Edited by: Charlotte O'Dell Like 9 There is literally no lower level of noobery. You might as well lump yourself in with the faglocks, lagdrivers, noob tubes (duvolles), murder taxis, and Chromosome rail snipers at that point. It takes no skill to chill there with an armor tank that has more ehp than a squad of AV can dish out in DPS in one second. It takes no skill to use a weapon that slaughters infantry even at 100m, is perfectly accurate, and has the hit detection of 1.4 assault rifles. If you KDR means that much to you, then you are playing the wrong game. The real tankers brawl with railguns and missiles (hard mode). Every kill is earned. Every kill is done outside of the redline. For those of you who are aspiring tankers, do not spec blasters- it is the fastest way to get yourself nerfed. This is obvious because Pyrex is running blasters- let's make a list of things he liked and things that got nerfed- same things in each category. STOP BEING A PUBSTOMPING BLASTER TURRET TOTING NOOB...also don't redline railsnipe. That is just as bad. EDIT: Also, don't jump out of your tank right before you die to preserve your KDR- another KDR *** noob move. Real cavalrymen stay with their horses- There's a reason that the Old Breed called them White Stallions and Grey Mares. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn! I Sware It Wasnt Me**

Squagga The State Protectorate 102	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:01:00 - [21] - Quote I'm guessing you don't realise through all my crazy antics that yes I do agree with you. Just put some of the things back the way they belong CCP! Who was even crying on the forums that sheilds are too op anyways? I'm serious I was gone for about four months or so. Also I'm aware that MAG is shut down. That sucks Reloading, the silent killer.
Squagga The State Protectorate 102	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:02:00 - [22] - Quote Also good to see you again Reloading, the silent killer.
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:03:00 - [23] - Quote i could go on all night about the problems this game has but the people are openly saying it weather its about people or about the game. the problems are the same the game needs a major fix major major fix. it took how long to get lag out of pc? it took how long for you to balance heavies when they were op? it tok how long for you to fix the missles on a missle tanks when they were powerful? it took how long for you to fix tanks when stb litterally almost killed the game with there unstoppable tanks? *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:04:00 - [24] - Quote Squagga wrote: Also good to see you again likewise friend. add me up we can play sometime. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:10:00 - [25] - Quote Squagga wrote: I'm guessing you don't realise through all my crazy antics that yes I do agree with you. Just put some of the things back the way they belong CCP! Who was even crying on the forums that sheilds are too op anyways? I'm serious I was gone for about four months or so. Also I'm aware that MAG is shut down. That sucks i was aware but i wanted you to openly admit it so they CCP can see where they messed up. i know im not crazy and niether is the community. nobody ever complained about the suits ever since i been playing 1st day of beta launch. it was always nades, assault rifles, heavies, tanks, missles, and such but t was never the suits and its crazy because you can tell they were ninja nerfed, fixing hit detection doesnt make suits weak. 400 plus shields are supposed to do something not shred like paper. and armor is in the same boat as shields now. for that ccp might as well take away all sp earnings isk earnings suits and modules and just make this yet another repetitive cod style shooter. by the way ps4 and bf4 is awsome. i have it it is beautiful to see and play. i just wanted to return to dust to fix what was messed up in the once mighty anon with people i played with for so long and it wouldnt be right to let things and friendships of close to a year and or over a year fall apart. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
Radar R4D-47 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 357	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:21:00 - [26] - Quote Illuminati take a chill pill bro. The only reason everything feels garbage is because we got everything "balanced" around chrome. While chrome wa good there was still the issue of half your bullets blue shielding. Meaning everything was buffed so that didn't feel like there was a problem. Now that every bullet hits you install die. We don't need more ehp a proto sentinel can get 1800ehp that is more than some LAV. One of my most effective scouts has 400ehp and does quite well. Its not more ehp its more ttk. Reduction of rifle damage across the board by 30% and increase isk price back to if I run this and die I'm going to lose all my isk. I agree the disparity between shields and armour is rough but I don't want to see Heavies having 2.3k ehp and scouts having 1000. That might Be the time I finally leave. Radar for CPM
The-Beard Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 97	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:23:00 - [27] - Quote TTK ? IMO, remove the proficiency skill from the weapons. I would also say to change the damage mods stacking penalty in a manner that makes triple stacking them or even double stacking them pointless. Do that, and TTK shouldn't be an issue. I really don't think a buff to shields or armor will fix much unless your talking about giving assault suits the base hp of the current heavy suit. CCP is thinking about (which means they probably will) doing a 15% shield resist and 10% armor resist to suits against certin race weapons. Will this help? maybe.... won't know until it happeneds. I really don't understand why CCP doesn't give us a test server that we can us to "field test" whatever changes or new toys they want to bring about. Better to work your kinks out on a test server then just patching it into the main server. The Flay Lock could have been fixed before it came out... and maybe it wouldn't be the useless weapon it is now. Thems my 2 cents. Oh, and Anon... you're still a turd
Squagga The State Protectorate 104	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:34:00 - [28] - Quote That's actually something that I meant to say I just got so caught up. Now that they've "fixed" sheilds damage mods, more importantly, damage mod stacking is a thing. Before they nerfed shields. Nobody sued damage mods cause there wasn't a point. Putting sp into your shields and armor and finding a good balance for your play style was Reloading, the silent killer.
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:36:00 - [29] - Quote Radar R4D-47 wrote: Illuminati take a chill pill bro. The only reason everything feels garbage is because we got everything "balanced" around chrome. While chrome wa good there was still the issue of half your bullets blue shielding. Meaning everything was buffed so that didn't feel like there was a problem. Now that every bullet hits you install die. We don't need more ehp a proto sentinel can get 1800ehp that is more than some LAV. One of my most effective scouts has 400ehp and does quite well. Its not more ehp its more ttk. Reduction of rifle damage across the board by 30% and increase isk price back to if I run this and die I'm going to lose all my isk. I agree the disparity between shields and armour is rough but I don't want to see Heavies having 2.3k ehp and scouts having 1000. That might Be the time I finally leave. Radar for CPM im not saying over power any of them but i mean come on its been almost 2 years and the word and meaning of balance to ccp still hasnt gotten out yet or something. because they either do it to much as u said having 1000 hp scouts or doing it to where they are worth nothing like now. what im saying is there needs to be a differance in suits now that hit detection works so much better. there needs to be a reason why the caldari specialises in shields and gallente in armor. the game wasnt based on just the weapons. it was based on the time you put into your character "this includes weapons and suits" to make it that much better and the variety of weapons modules are there to make suits unique to others. now ive played with the best and have similar suits to you guys best of the best and they still suck because of the way these guns are put out. there is no balance when it comes to the suits. they are just titles now theres no diferance other then fitting more stuff on them but you die just as fast as you would in a militia. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*
ANON Illuminati A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 549	Posted - 2014.01.31 14:41:00 - [30] - Quote The-Beard wrote: TTK ? IMO, remove the proficiency skill from the weapons. I would also say to change the damage mods stacking penalty in a manner that makes triple stacking them or even double stacking them pointless. Do that, and TTK shouldn't be an issue. I really don't think a buff to shields or armor will fix much unless your talking about giving assault suits the base hp of the current heavy suit. CCP is thinking about (which means they probably will) doing a 15% shield resist and 10% armor resist to suits against certin race weapons. Will this help? maybe.... won't know until it happeneds. I really don't understand why CCP doesn't give us a test server that we can us to "field test" whatever changes or new toys they want to bring about. Better to work your kinks out on a test server then just patching it into the main server. The Flay Lock could have been fixed before it came out... and maybe it wouldn't be the useless weapon it is now. Thems my 2 cents. Oh, and Anon... you're still a turd lol i said this about 7 month ago about a test server and or the devs setting up some kind of event where they fight vs with these weapons to see where they need the tweeking. but this wont happen and hit detection is working now what i mean by buffing i mean making them a bit more harder to go down because now they honestly just evaporate. its not worth using an all shield suit loadout you have to both armor tank and shield tank to do any decent in a match and this kills the distiction between races because caldari is shields and gallente is armor. they might as well combine both races because that is what its coming down to. the heavies are fine in my opinion but when it comes to a combat rifle vs a heavy that heavy has no chance unless he gets the first drop and even then he takes away about 60 to 70 percent of his hp. cause the "defensive" heavy role to be nothing. and yes i am a turd but you and i will meet again on the field lololol it also takes away the mobility of the race of your choice. armor is heavy they created a lighter armor pad shields were speed and durability against other weapons. *I Sware It Wasnt Me*



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