DUST Search - Can we have grenades that affect armor?

Fizzer94 wrote:

Maciej Szambelan wrote:

deepfried salad gilliam wrote:

Maciej Szambelan wrote:

Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades?

all other grenades are armor focused but i think you mean make explosives like -40% shield +40% armor or maybe even more extreme

Yeah, that is what I mean, explosives that take down the aromor like flux take shield down.

Do you mean a grenade that ignores shields? That would be OP, and would be worse for shield users anyway, as it would bypass their primary defenses and kill them more easily than it would kill an armor user.
I think you have a disdain for armor and want a powerful weapon against it, but aren't even considering the implications of the weapon... If you want a grenade that works well against armor tanked suits, Locus Grenades usually strips our shields and does a considerable amount of damage to our armor, and oftentimes outright kills us in a single blow. A Flux grenade never kills, and they are used more for anti-equipment rather than stripping enemy shields anyway.

Let's compare their effects on two typical suits. 1 typical armor suit, and 1 typical shield suit.

Armor Suit: 150 shields/550 armor
Shield Suit: 400 shields/150 armor

An Allotek Flux's effects on a typical shield suit.
0 shields/ 150 armor... 150 HP left
A Core Locus' effects on a typical shield suit.
80 shields/150 armor... 230 HP left

An Allotek Flux's effects on an armor suit
0 shields/ 550 armor... 550 HP left
A Core Locus' effects on a typical armor suit.
0 shields/ 295 armor... 295 HP left

So, the armor suit will leave the explosion with more HP than the shield suit, but the shield suit will always regenerate back to full health within a few seconds. This fits well within the shield vs armor paradigm.

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Maciej Szambelan Made in Poland... E-R-A 35	Posted - 2014.01.30 03:36:00 - [1] - Quote Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades?
Kara Anschel Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 46	Posted - 2014.01.30 04:11:00 - [2] - Quote Core Locus kills any and all armor. Your point is moot.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1746	Posted - 2014.01.30 04:17:00 - [3] - Quote Locus- can kill. Has a bonus to armor, and is weak to shields. Flux- can't kill. Only affects shields. They seem balanced to me... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 410	Posted - 2014.01.30 04:57:00 - [4] - Quote Maciej Szambelan wrote: Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades? all other grenades are armor focused but i think you mean make explosives like -40% shield +40% armor or maybe even more extreme Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
oooooooooooo 111111111111 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 3	Posted - 2014.01.30 05:22:00 - [5] - Quote Flux -> Sheild Tankers, bigger range Locus-> Doesn't do jack to armor tanks Forget this part.
Maciej Szambelan Made in Poland... E-R-A 36	Posted - 2014.01.30 18:35:00 - [6] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Maciej Szambelan wrote: Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades? all other grenades are armor focused but i think you mean make explosives like -40% shield +40% armor or maybe even more extreme Yeah, that is what I mean, explosives that take down the aromor like flux take shield down.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate 629	Posted - 2014.01.30 19:25:00 - [7] - Quote we do have a grenade that effects armor. its called a locus grenade.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1756	Posted - 2014.01.30 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote Maciej Szambelan wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Maciej Szambelan wrote: Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades? all other grenades are armor focused but i think you mean make explosives like -40% shield +40% armor or maybe even more extreme Yeah, that is what I mean, explosives that take down the aromor like flux take shield down. Do you mean a grenade that ignores shields? That would be OP, and would be worse for shield users anyway, as it would bypass their primary defenses and kill them more easily than it would kill an armor user. I think you have a disdain for armor and want a powerful weapon against it, but aren't even considering the implications of the weapon... If you want a grenade that works well against armor tanked suits, Locus Grenades usually strips our shields and does a considerable amount of damage to our armor, and oftentimes outright kills us in a single blow. A Flux grenade never kills, and they are used more for anti-equipment rather than stripping enemy shields anyway. Let's compare their effects on two typical suits. 1 typical armor suit, and 1 typical shield suit. Armor Suit: 150 shields/550 armor Shield Suit: 400 shields/150 armor An Allotek Flux's effects on a typical shield suit. 0 shields/ 150 armor... 150 HP left A Core Locus' effects on a typical shield suit. 80 shields/150 armor... 230 HP left An Allotek Flux's effects on an armor suit 0 shields/ 550 armor... 550 HP left A Core Locus' effects on a typical armor suit. 0 shields/ 295 armor... 295 HP left So, the armor suit will leave the explosion with more HP than the shield suit, but the shield suit will always regenerate back to full health within a few seconds. This fits well within the shield vs armor paradigm. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 375	Posted - 2014.01.30 21:03:00 - [9] - Quote Maciej Szambelan wrote: Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades? Locus is an Anti-Armor Grenade. => Weakier against shield :-20% damage +20% on armor.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1778	Posted - 2014.01.30 22:37:00 - [10] - Quote Maciej Szambelan wrote: Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades? This is a joke right? Flux grenades cleans your shields but if you hide out for like 20 seconds your back to full HP. Locus grenade if it hist an armor suit you better have 700+ armor 300+ shields because it's going to 1 shot you. Flux grenades is a tickle compared to what a locus grenade does. Armor and Shields are not the same!

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1778	Posted - 2014.01.30 22:39:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Maciej Szambelan wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Maciej Szambelan wrote: Bit unfair beeing caldari with all shield bonuses when the flux granades take it all down in a second. Armor racies have so much advantage over shield ones. Can you look into bringing in armor grenades? all other grenades are armor focused but i think you mean make explosives like -40% shield +40% armor or maybe even more extreme Yeah, that is what I mean, explosives that take down the aromor like flux take shield down. Do you mean a grenade that ignores shields? That would be OP, and would be worse for shield users anyway, as it would bypass their primary defenses and kill them more easily than it would kill an armor user. I think you have a disdain for armor and want a powerful weapon against it, but aren't even considering the implications of the weapon... If you want a grenade that works well against armor tanked suits, Locus Grenades usually strips our shields and does a considerable amount of damage to our armor, and oftentimes outright kills us in a single blow. A Flux grenade never kills, and they are used more for anti-equipment rather than stripping enemy shields anyway. Let's compare their effects on two typical suits. 1 typical armor suit, and 1 typical shield suit. Armor Suit: 150 shields/550 armor Shield Suit: 400 shields/150 armor An Allotek Flux's effects on a typical shield suit. 0 shields/ 150 armor... 150 HP left A Core Locus' effects on a typical shield suit. 80 shields/150 armor... 230 HP left An Allotek Flux's effects on an armor suit 0 shields/ 550 armor... 550 HP left A Core Locus' effects on a typical armor suit. 0 shields/ 295 armor... 295 HP left So, the armor suit will leave the explosion with more HP than the shield suit, but the shield suit will always regenerate back to full health within a few seconds. This fits well within the shield vs armor paradigm. Core grenades have a weird way on how they apply damage, if you have less than 300 shields and less than 700 armor that grenade will 1 shot you. In your case that grenade will kill the armor suit. Armor and Shields are not the same!


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