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John Lengrios Horizons' Edge 3	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:26:00 - [31] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Non charged shots do less damage than the scrambler pistol and also shoot slower The charge shot overheats the gun after the first shot and dosent look like it has enough damage to ohk most suits Why use it? Because you can switch weapons after the first charged shot. I was thinking this might be it, like the plasma pistol from Halo. Kai Leng + Thane Krios = Lengrios
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3675	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:31:00 - [32] - Quote The Breach Scrambler Pistol makes the Ion Pistol redundant. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3675	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:32:00 - [33] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons. Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care. With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game. I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read this Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) Flaylock My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 67	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:34:00 - [34] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons. Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care. With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game. I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read this Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) Flaylock Whooo now shame on me i forgot infamous Flaylock, yup i see that tning like more supportive arm (something like laser for Amar). Support - Tactician/Support
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8685	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:38:00 - [35] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons. Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care. With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game. I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read this Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) edit.: And about weapon itself, Gallente many times show their versatile and multiuse arms in combat. Their AR is still god weapon for every situation, their shooty same story in hands of speedysuits, thats reason why i thing Ion pistol should be race con in weapons. I I didn't make the thread. He probably compared it to the SMG because they're both sidearms. And no, lore does not, and should not dictate balance. Ideally every weapon should be equally viable, but thrive in different roles and have different pros and cons. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 67	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:44:00 - [36] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons. Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care. With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game. I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read this Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) edit.: And about weapon itself, Gallente many times show their versatile and multiuse arms in combat. Their AR is still god weapon for every situation, their shooty same story in hands of speedysuits, thats reason why i thing Ion pistol should be race con in weapons. I I didn't make the thread. He probably compared it to the SMG because they're both sidearms. And no, lore does not, and should not dictate balance. Ideally every weapon should be equally viable, but thrive in different roles and have different pros and cons. Oki, what i trying to say every side should have crappy arms and some good ones. What i can see: Amar - Scramble/Scramble Minmatar - HMG/SMG Caldari - Rail/Forge Gallente - AR/Shotgun Its maybe a faulty observation (sorry Aspi here), but its how i see it. What is best from its lore, oher weaponry i see like support ones. Support - Tactician/Support
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1370	Posted - 2014.01.29 00:58:00 - [37] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons. Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care. With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game. I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read this Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. *BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name)* edit.: And about weapon itself, Gallente many times show their versatile and multiuse arms in combat. Their AR is still god weapon for every situation, their shooty same story in hands of speedysuits, thats reason why i thing Ion pistol should be race con in weapons. I lolno It honestly depends on if you are talking about damage or range. Damage: Gallente>Minmatar>Amarr>Caldari Range: Caldari>Amarr>Minmatar>Gallente At least that is how it was explained to me in my early days of Eve , I must say that I am pretty much a Minmatar purist (with some Gallente crosstraining) so I can't speak definitively. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness 1067	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:08:00 - [38] - Quote Texs Red wrote: I have seen it stated else where that devs said only the scrambler pistol gets the extra headshot multiplier. Also what use is a side arm that takes 1.5 seconds to deal 500 damage then will be useless for another 2-3 seconds, while requiring you to be within 20 meters. You can do more damage per clip with any other side arm and it's not even a challenge to beat the ion pistol. You guys keep saying 500 damage. It is only 385 at prototype. You can get it up to 529.34 with prof Lv 5 and two sidearm DMs, but seriously is this thing really worth moding, outside of for lols? {:)}{3GÇó>
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8686	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:09:00 - [39] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Sam Tektzby wrote: Oki its worst and what, do you really need everything to have powerfull. Im more for Variety ad more intereting stuff, everything should have plus and cons. Caldari pistol will be powerful, but slow. Maybe the Ion one will be more stable and faster, but i honestly dont care. With this thinking, where everyone want have his racial arms most usefull ingame, we will lost diversity and interesting lore thingys in game. I dont know if iam alone, but im more for variety of "stuff", than for powerbuffing of it. Go read this Variety is great, but only makes a difference if the items are actually viable and worth using. If cons outweigh the pros, then no one will use it, and it won't effect variety in actual gameplay. I have question, why you comparing pistol with submachine gun?! SMG will be everytime faster. BTW what i know, by lore observation, it should be (in pistols) scramble>bolt>Ion>matari one (dont know matari pistol name) edit.: And about weapon itself, Gallente many times show their versatile and multiuse arms in combat. Their AR is still god weapon for every situation, their shooty same story in hands of speedysuits, thats reason why i thing Ion pistol should be race con in weapons. I I didn't make the thread. He probably compared it to the SMG because they're both sidearms. And no, lore does not, and should not dictate balance. Ideally every weapon should be equally viable, but thrive in different roles and have different pros and cons. Oki, what i trying to say every side should have crappy arms and some good ones. What i can see: Amar - Scramble/Scramble Minmatar - HMG/SMG Caldari - Rail/Forge Gallente - AR/Shotgun Its maybe a faulty observation (sorry Aspi here), but its how i see it. What is best from its lore, oher weaponry i see like support ones. This is bad for variety since it would mean each race would have guns not worth using, so no one would use those guns, and it would be the same as not having those guns in the game at all. Its better to just try to make every weapon good and useful in their own ways wit pros and cons than having a weapon itself be the pro or con. No one will use a con weapon, and it will be bad for variety. Also, the AR is outclassed by the new rifles, the plasma cannon is a crappy AV weapon not on par with the Caldari swarm launcher. The Gallente already have enough weapons that suck compared to the others, so even by your logic, having the ion pistol be plain inferior is unwarranted. Furthermore, labeling weapons a weapon "support" does not make up for the fact that they just suck. As for lore, it dictates that: Gallente have shortest range, and use plasma/blaster weapons (AR, shotgun, plasma cannon, ion pistol, blaster) that are good against shields. Caldari have longest range, and use high damage railgun weapons (rail rifle, forge gun, sniper rifle, bolt pistol, magsec SMG, railguns) that are good against armor, and some missile weapons that are the best against armor (swarm launcher, missile turrets) Amarr have 2nd longest range, and use laser/energy weapons (scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle, laser rifle) that are the best against shields Minmatar have the 2nd shortest range, and use projectile weapons that are good against armor, and some explosives (mass driver, flaylock pistol) that are the best against armor. While these things are generally set in stone, there is still lots of room to balance around them. For example, Caldari have high range, high damage, and good armor damage, to balance it you can make Caldari weapons have very low rate of fire as a tradeoff so it will have overall lower damage per second in exchange for having the highest range. Gallente have lowest range, but to make up for that, they can be given the highest damage per second. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 69	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:14:00 - [40] - Quote Thx for explanation, how i told before my observation can be wrong. I just told how i see that in my aspi eyes boyo Otherwise still better teach myself new look on issue, than stuck with bad one Support - Tactician/Support

Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness 1067	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:16:00 - [41] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: [The ScP has a 375% headshot bonus, not 450% source? Because I very distinctly remember hearing that 450% number come directly from the mouth of a DEV a long time back. So, source or I call bull****. {:)}{3GÇó>
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 325	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:25:00 - [42] - Quote i think the charge up time should be short(like rail rifle short), the weapon needs a 10% damage increase, still instantly overheats, but allows for a weapon to be switched to immediately following the shot, allowing for suprise attack openings and close encounter finishers. Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Help Shields
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 325	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:28:00 - [43] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: It is a Secondary weapon so it doesn't need to be, or should be, unbelievably powerful. The Scrambler would do more with consistent headshots but you can't rely on that 100% of the time. I think the Ion Pistol has some interesting uses. Ready a charge when you see someone, hit them with it, swap to a different weapon if it doesn't kill them. It basically becomes a single shot shotgun sidearm. Burst vs. Consistency. SCP does more damage per shot, has higher fire rate with 1 less in the clip (still more damage per clip) WITHOUT headshots. It also has more range. There is no competition. lol for the Ion pistol to compete to the scrambler it needs to do upwards of 120+ damage per shot. Before people crap their pants the bolt pistol does 130 damage per shot fully automatic at 40 meters. but it only has a mag cap of 6, and a charge time as well (like the rail rifle), so it is balanced. What im worried about is the magsec. That things just smells of OPness Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Help Shields
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 69	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:34:00 - [44] - Quote Its caldari tech, it should be powerfull and range one. Support - Tactician/Support
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 214	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:42:00 - [45] - Quote I have no idea why anyone at CCP Shanghai decided that the Ion pistol should just be a rip off of the plasma pistol from HALO. Do you SERIOUSLY have no originality left guys? Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
Oswald Rehnquist 1169	Posted - 2014.01.29 01:43:00 - [46] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: but it only has a mag cap of 6, and a charge time as well (like the rail rifle), so it is balanced. What im worried about is the magsec. That things just smell of OPness, as it resembles the rail rifle with more fire rate and less charge time, so in other words making up for everything the RR lacks to be effective in every situation .25 is smaller than .3, also it has half the range of the RR, but it also has about the same cpu/pg the RR, so the RR outclasses the magsec in all categories, the benefit of the magsec is for sidearm specialists who will get better diversity with sidearm damage mods Below 28 dB
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4375	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:13:00 - [47] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: It is a Secondary weapon so it doesn't need to be, or should be, unbelievably powerful. The Scrambler would do more with consistent headshots but you can't rely on that 100% of the time. I think the Ion Pistol has some interesting uses. Ready a charge when you see someone, hit them with it, swap to a different weapon if it doesn't kill them. It basically becomes a single shot shotgun sidearm. Burst vs. Consistency. except it only works at 20 meters. If it overheats chances are you can't swap. And if you can get a successful shot with it at 20 meters chances are the victim wasn't aware of your presence meaning nova knives would be a better alternative. So you're saying that, unlike the Ion Pistol, Shotguns and Nova Knives work effectively at more than 20m range?
Lorhak Gannarsein 1403	Posted - 2014.01.29 02:18:00 - [48] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: [The ScP has a 375% headshot bonus, not 450% source? Because I very distinctly remember hearing that 450% number come directly from the mouth of a DEV a long time back. So, source or I call bull****. Go point it at a bluedot's head, and factor in the standard resistances. Field testing is your friend. For example, the devs say that the large railgun deals hybrid-rail type damage. It's actually dealing hybrid-blaster. Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters. Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 6041	Posted - 2014.01.29 03:51:00 - [49] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: It is a Secondary weapon so it doesn't need to be, or should be, unbelievably powerful. The Scrambler would do more with consistent headshots but you can't rely on that 100% of the time. I think the Ion Pistol has some interesting uses. Ready a charge when you see someone, hit them with it, swap to a different weapon if it doesn't kill them. It basically becomes a single shot shotgun sidearm. Burst vs. Consistency. SCP does more damage per shot, has higher fire rate with 1 less in the clip (still more damage per clip) WITHOUT headshots. It also has more range. There is no competition. lol for the Ion pistol to compete to the scrambler it needs to do upwards of 120+ damage per shot. Before people crap their pants the bolt pistol does 130 damage per shot fully automatic at 40 meters. but it only has a mag cap of 6, and a charge time as well (like the rail rifle), so it is balanced. What im worried about is the magsec. That things just smell of OPness, as it resembles the rail rifle with more fire rate and less charge time, so in other words making up for everything the RR lacks to be effective in every situation Uhh... That's assuming the RR is balanced. It isn't. So you can guess what will happen with the bolt pistol. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos


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