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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.27 15:57:00 -
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Missile turrets may finally be perfect. They are capable of killing anything and everything, short of hardened shield tanks, but they're not QQ'd about because they take skill to use.
Perhaps the way to balance blasters and rails is around these.
Rails are cried about bc of their ability to kill quickly at long range.
What needs to happen is that DPS needs to stay the same and range needs to stay the same, but ROF needs to be drastically reduced so that a shot has extremely high alpha, but this shot NEEDS to hit or the gunner will be SOL, especially in a brawl. However, an accurate shot will not lose any of his ability.
A blaster is a very good infantry killer...perhaps too good. The best way to fix this is the same was that the rail has been fixed- keep DPS, but reduce ROF (increase Alpha, though). Another change would be to increase damage within 8m by 10%, but increase the falloff rate.
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Cooper Eudaemon
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:00:00 -
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+1,000,000
Though for the Blaster turret, what about reducing accuracy instead? Giving it more spread, and as you suggest lowering the effective range.
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
557
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:01:00 -
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Its a good compromise but giving the rail more alpha at the cost of ROF will just encourage more sniping/ HAV sitting far too away from infrantry AV.
The blaster just needs a plain DPS nerf.
Missles are perfectly balanced, shockingly enough, theyre splash radius means you need to actually kinda know what your doing and they take a good heap of skill points to actually use. |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
ACME Holding Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:12:00 -
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apparently the blaster turret must have an invisible dispersion or something. why else would it take me 20-50 freaking rounds to kill some1 in a dropsuit. they die fast if they stand still but thats the only time. as there is alot of missing involved.or hit detection problems for it what ever the reason.
i feel majority of the current turrets r balanced as well. the only tanks ive been able to kill quickly with the rail turret r those few low hp tanks that were caught out in the open. missile feel perfect. capable of killing tanks extremely fast. with the downside of that long reload. after the missile burst/barrage. thats its main opening weakness/ vulnerability.
as for the few sicas. ive managed to kill them with my blaster tank easily.
damage modded railtank/ glass cannons. have the much bigger disadvantage in tankabillity. they can make short work of some poorly driven vehicles (when both dmg mods r active). but ive managed to survive against them for the most part. a tank with at least 1-2 hardeners active against the glass cannon can survive almost up to 4-6 rounds pretty easily from what ive seen. |
Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
732
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Posted - 2014.01.27 16:52:00 -
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Railgun range needs nerfed to 350m effective range with a drop off ending at 450m.
No way is 600m (full damage, btw) going to be utilized on our maps without redline abuse.
For example, on the Impact Ridge Dom Map, a rail tank can literally shoot at the objective from the redline (or close to it) for full damage and perfect accuracy (bar a little travel time that can be compensated for).
Each of those squares is 100m (I've measured it). At 350m, rails are still able to keep a safe distance from enemy tanks (not like they need to anyway), but abuse of the redline is more limited.
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REDBACK96USMC
Chaotic-Intent
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:08:00 -
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So basically the argument is, "No one should be able to use range to advantage. Make everyone scrum it out like a fist fight."
Lets do it! |
pyramidhead 420
Carbon 7
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2014.01.27 17:57:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Railgun range needs nerfed to 350m effective range with a drop off ending at 450m. No way is 600m (full damage, btw) going to be utilized on our maps without redline abuse. For example, on the Impact Ridge Dom Map, a rail tank can literally shoot at the objective from the redline (or close to it) for full damage and perfect accuracy (bar a little travel time that can be compensated for). Each of those squares is 100m (I've measured it). At 350m, rails are still able to keep a safe distance from enemy tanks (not like they need to anyway), but abuse of the redline is more limited.
do you have a link where i can find names, pictures, and layouts of maps? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.27 18:10:00 -
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Blaster already takes skill
I have to actually aim the turret at some one, if i dont aim i cant get a kill, if the aiming reticule isnt red it means i wont hit my target
Maybe i should be allowed to lock onto infantry and my bullets just track and kill them 100% of the time, no escape, it could be called the blaster launcher
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.27 19:03:00 -
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pyramidhead 420 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Railgun range needs nerfed to 350m effective range with a drop off ending at 450m. No way is 600m (full damage, btw) going to be utilized on our maps without redline abuse. For example, on the Impact Ridge Dom Map, a rail tank can literally shoot at the objective from the redline (or close to it) for full damage and perfect accuracy (bar a little travel time that can be compensated for). Each of those squares is 100m (I've measured it). At 350m, rails are still able to keep a safe distance from enemy tanks (not like they need to anyway), but abuse of the redline is more limited. do you have a link where i can find names, pictures, and layouts of maps?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:01:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Blaster already takes skill
I have to actually aim the turret at some one, if i dont aim i cant get a kill, if the aiming reticule isnt red it means i wont hit my target
Maybe i should be allowed to lock onto infantry and my bullets just track and kill them 100% of the time, no escape, it could be called the blaster launcher
By that logic, the rifles should be hailed as the most skilful weapons in DUST. 
And sure you can have a turret with tracking capabilities. But the AI has to go straight into the ground or turn into an obstacle whenever possible.
No escape? I'm rolling around in a Gunnlogi and I can easily escape Swarm Launchers by turning the corner.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1755
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:53:00 -
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Blasters are be far the worst AV turret in the game, because alpha damage is key to killing vehicles.
I'd actually like to see Large Blaster range decreased, overall DPS increased, but fire rate decreased. This would make them less effective against infantry (though still the best compared to Rails and Missiles), but allow them to be more competitive at close range against other vehicles.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:58:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Missile turrets may finally be perfect. They are capable of killing anything and everything, short of hardened shield tanks, but they're not QQ'd about because they take skill to use.
Perhaps the way to balance blasters and rails is around these.
Rails are cried about bc of their ability to kill quickly at long range.
What needs to happen is that DPS needs to stay the same and range needs to stay the same, but ROF needs to be drastically reduced so that a shot has extremely high alpha, but this shot NEEDS to hit or the gunner will be SOL, especially in a brawl. However, an accurate shot will not lose any of his ability.
A blaster is a very good infantry killer...perhaps too good. The best way to fix this is the same was that the rail has been fixed- keep DPS, but reduce ROF (increase Alpha, though). Another change would be to increase damage within 8m by 10%, but increase the falloff rate.
I feel that would be the wrong move...for the most part Missile turrets neither operate like similarly designed real world missile projection systems (to my knowledge admittedly) neither do they function in the role that the main battle cannon of real world vehicles do.
Now I more than most appreciate this game is a work of fiction, I RP heavily, and I also realise I am talking to a much better tanker than I as well as someone who has some for of military training.....but I don't feel we should balance HAV turrets around something so "arcadey" as missile turrets.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.27 20:59:00 -
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Missiles are not complained about because they are far less common than the Blaster or the Railgun. I am guessing that is the only reason they are not called overpowered or underpowered one way or another. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.27 21:06:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:
The blaster just needs a plain DPS nerf.
This would make it even more useless against tanks than it already is, so no. Rather, retool it so it doesn't massacre infantry almost exclusively.
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1767
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:21:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Missiles are not complained about because they are far less common than the Blaster or the Railgun. I am guessing that is the only reason they are not called overpowered or underpowered one way or another.
Because they are skill weapons. Contrary to popular belief, the first shot is almost dead accurate and OHKs median suits.
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1767
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Posted - 2014.01.27 22:22:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Blasters are be far the worst AV turret in the game, because alpha damage is key to killing vehicles.
I'd actually like to see Large Blaster range decreased, overall DPS increased, but fire rate decreased. This would make them less effective against infantry (though still the best compared to Rails and Missiles), but allow them to be more competitive at close range against other vehicles.
+1
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