DUST Search - Tried playing on an Alt and OMG CCP fix matchmaking

Zerus Ni'Kator wrote:

I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP

Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... in a few of the matches we had less players than the enemy and yet a 2nd squad was added to their team to take the player count from 6 on our team 8 on theres to 6 on ours and 14 on theirs .. I mean seriously CCP WTF is that all about ? Not only does it not make sense to add a full squad to the side already with a squad but to do it when the squad of randoms has no squads AND less players ?

Honestly you need to Hotfix the hell out of this problem all it does is lead to extremely 1 sided battles and it is boring as hell not to mention frustrating

On my main we often when in a full squad get put alongside another squad and go up against a team of randoms .. we redline them within the first few minutes and it's just boring and pointless

I'm sorry CCP but you need to start giving the playerbase some answers about this because it isn't bad matchmaking due to lack of players it's simply bad matchmaking due to a bad matchmaking system .. it's clearly broken and over a year in don;t you think it's about time you did something about it ?

If I didn't have my main and my 2.9m alt was all I had I'd have quit right there and then today after the past 10 matches .. I really don't think CCP or indeed half of the player base (mainly the other vets) understand just how big of an issue this is !!!!

Yes I know it's been brought up before but it keeps getting ignored or getting soon TM and it isn;t good enough so start giving the community some feedback for once DEVS/CPMs where is the communication between the players and yourselves ? Why have CPMs if they can't even give the playerbase info ?

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Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 133	Posted - 2014.01.25 05:09:00 - [1] - Quote I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... in a few of the matches we had less players than the enemy and yet a 2nd squad was added to their team to take the player count from 6 on our team 8 on theres to 6 on ours and 14 on theirs .. I mean seriously CCP WTF is that all about ? Not only does it not make sense to add a full squad to the side already with a squad but to do it when the squad of randoms has no squads AND less players ? Honestly you need to Hotfix the hell out of this problem all it does is lead to extremely 1 sided battles and it is boring as hell not to mention frustrating On my main we often when in a full squad get put alongside another squad and go up against a team of randoms .. we redline them within the first few minutes and it's just boring and pointless I'm sorry CCP but you need to start giving the playerbase some answers about this because it isn't bad matchmaking due to lack of players it's simply bad matchmaking due to a bad matchmaking system .. it's clearly broken and over a year in don;t you think it's about time you did something about it ? If I didn't have my main and my 2.9m alt was all I had I'd have quit right there and then today after the past 10 matches .. I really don't think CCP or indeed half of the player base (mainly the other vets) understand just how big of an issue this is !!!! Yes I know it's been brought up before but it keeps getting ignored or getting soon TM and it isn;t good enough so start giving the community some feedback for once DEVS/CPMs where is the communication between the players and yourselves ? Why have CPMs if they can't even give the playerbase info ?
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 682	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:32:00 - [2] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... Well sounds like they are using the op flavor of the month, team work! Maybe squad up? You can't expect to do well being Rambo. Remember you are also a random.
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 146	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:15:00 - [3] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... Well sounds like they are using the op flavor of the month, team work! Maybe squad up? You can't expect to do well being Rambo. Remember you are also a random. 1. Even if I had chosen to squad up on my alt with other low SP players what difference would it make v 2 protosquads ? 2. You seem to be under the delusion that Teamwork can only be done when in a squad yet what exactly is stopping 16 randoms on a team using teamwork ? Nothing ! 3. Just because I happened to play solo on my alt doesn't mean I was playing as rambo .. I was logibroing ... I can still rep revive and resupply even when not in a squad 4. 16 Randoms v 2 protosquads .. why not 1 proto squad on each team ? Answer me that instead of giving me the useless rhetoric about squadding up .. I always squad up on my main and just didn't feel like it on my alt last night
Miko Ray DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:26:00 - [4] - Quote Totally agree with OP. There are days where I feel like I'm swept in to a heap and tipped in to a team of randoms Vs organised deathsquads. Why the matchmaking logic thinks it's a good thing to do that as opposed to balancing the squads on opposing teams and then allocating the randoms in to the remaining slots is beyond me.
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:29:00 - [5] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... in a few of the matches we had less players than the enemy and yet a 2nd squad was added to their team to take the player count from 6 on our team 8 on theres to 6 on ours and 14 on theirs .. I mean seriously CCP WTF is that all about ? Not only does it not make sense to add a full squad to the side already with a squad but to do it when the squad of randoms has no squads AND less players ? Honestly you need to Hotfix the hell out of this problem all it does is lead to extremely 1 sided battles and it is boring as hell not to mention frustrating On my main we often when in a full squad get put alongside another squad and go up against a team of randoms .. we redline them within the first few minutes and it's just boring and pointless I'm sorry CCP but you need to start giving the playerbase some answers about this because it isn't bad matchmaking due to lack of players it's simply bad matchmaking due to a bad matchmaking system .. it's clearly broken and over a year in don;t you think it's about time you did something about it ? If I didn't have my main and my 2.9m alt was all I had I'd have quit right there and then today after the past 10 matches .. I really don't think CCP or indeed half of the player base (mainly the other vets) understand just how big of an issue this is !!!! Yes I know it's been brought up before but it keeps getting ignored or getting soon TM and it isn;t good enough so start giving the community some feedback for once DEVS/CPMs where is the communication between the players and yourselves ? Why have CPMs if they can't even give the playerbase info ? Get good I just thought I'd beat the rush of stompers happy with the situation.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 914	Posted - 2014.01.25 15:58:00 - [6] - Quote Really is it so hard for matchmaking, that if you get two full squads... you put them on opposite sides? instead of 2-3 squads the same side and 14 squad-less people on the other. For a year. Thats the only automated matchmaking system you should of built CCP. Public Matches Then High security Matches = Full Aim Assist, Militia only Items and Vehicles, Reduced ISK and LP payouts. Low Security Matches = Weak Aim Assist, ADV and down only, Slightly high ISK and LP payouts. Null Securtity Public Matches(Ran in NPC 0.0) No Aim Assist, No Gear Restrictions, High ISK and LP payouts.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3918	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:41:00 - [7] - Quote @Bethhy Allow STD gear in High Security contracts as well. Remember, not every weapon have MLT variants. Also, could we just remove AA altogether? Next On To-Do List: Particle Cannons
Dkafamos Comando Brasil 46	Posted - 2014.01.25 16:44:00 - [8] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... Well sounds like they are using the op flavor of the month, team work! Maybe squad up? You can't expect to do well being Rambo. Remember you are also a random. You don't expect well to do fine against teams of proto 30 mil players even on a team anyway. I'm already giving up playing this game seriously. 10 days it took me, and 10 days I saw the damn matchmaking system abuse. CCP doesn't care for the longevity of this game.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 691	Posted - 2014.01.30 11:39:00 - [9] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... Well sounds like they are using the op flavor of the month, team work! Maybe squad up? You can't expect to do well being Rambo. Remember you are also a random. 1. Even if I had chosen to squad up on my alt with other low SP players what difference would it make v 2 protosquads ? 2. You seem to be under the delusion that Teamwork can only be done when in a squad yet what exactly is stopping 16 randoms on a team using teamwork ? Nothing ! 3. Just because I happened to play solo on my alt doesn't mean I was playing as rambo .. I was logibroing ... I can still rep revive and resupply even when not in a squad 4. 16 Randoms v 2 protosquads .. why not 1 proto squad on each team ? Answer me that instead of giving me the useless rhetoric about squadding up .. I always squad up on my main and just didn't feel like it on my alt last night 1. Yeah probably not much. 2. Well usually comms and a sense of knowing each other and what you run helps. A lot of things stop randoms from using teamwork. How do you tell a random blue "hey look behind you" or "hey I'm baiting this guy, kill him plz" 3. If you were playing solo you were ramboing, logi or not. 4. Well that would require teamwork, which most ransoms don't use. We all know match making is bad, but with a little teamwork one squad without proto vs 1-2 squads with proto can still make life hell for the proto users and can sometimes even win. That requires a lot of teamwork tho. Matchmaking has problems we all know that, but really what else do you expect? I'm not saying its bad to solo, I do it all the time to grind for my dropship, but I accept the fact that I am being Rambo and that I will probably encounter organized squads that i won't be able to fight. Team work is, and always will be op.
steadyhand amarr Bragian Order Amarr Empire 2222	Posted - 2014.01.30 12:16:00 - [10] - Quote Screw match making let us pick our contracts from a random pool. Death squads will be forced abapart by contracts filling faster than two squads joining the same one worked well in closed beta never agreed with removing it "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers

Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 979	Posted - 2014.01.30 12:21:00 - [11] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Really is it so hard for matchmaking, that if you get two full squads... you put them on opposite sides? instead of 2-3 squads the same side and 14 squad-less people on the other. For a year. Thats the only automated matchmaking system you should of built CCP. Yes. Yes, it is. What worries me is that CCP says that 'We are aware that matchmaking is a problem' etc. But haven't otherwise acknowledged nor tried to open up the problem at all with us players. We are left TOTALLY in the dark with this. Who knows when it will be fixed, if ever? This is a fundamental, even game-breaking problem but CCP is in no hurry. EDIT: And it's not that the players haven't offered countless solutions to this. Easy solutions. Little bit eccentric solutions. Solutions everywhere but nooooooooooo. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 221	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:14:00 - [12] - Quote I too am fed up of the "oh its because we have a low player count" excuse. BS. I have also had the exact same experience you described op. The matchmaker is not a matchmaker at all. It just needs to be fixed. How hard can it be really? I am no dev so I cant say but every other game I have ever played manages to get it right, or at least does not stumble so hard as this game does at times.
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 221	Posted - 2014.01.30 13:16:00 - [13] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Screw match making let us pick our contracts from a random pool. Death squads will be forced abapart by contracts filling faster than two squads joining the same one worked well in closed beta never agreed with removing it This. Why the hell cant we pick the type of contract we want to take? Have a battle list with available battles. That sounds like a much better idea. You could also even have restrictions on certain contracts and battles to limit to militia / standard gear only too or something like that.
Scar Scrilla EUROPEAN UN1ON 99	Posted - 2014.01.30 14:36:00 - [14] - Quote Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Zerus Ni'Kator wrote: I've been playing a year and without all those passive skills I have on my main this game is unplayable if you have below 5m SP Every match I was Up against 2 full squads (All in proto obviously) and on my team it was just randoms ... Well sounds like they are using the op flavor of the month, team work! Maybe squad up? You can't expect to do well being Rambo. Remember you are also a random. 1. Even if I had chosen to squad up on my alt with other low SP players what difference would it make v 2 protosquads ? 2. You seem to be under the delusion that Teamwork can only be done when in a squad yet what exactly is stopping 16 randoms on a team using teamwork ? Nothing ! 3. Just because I happened to play solo on my alt doesn't mean I was playing as rambo .. I was logibroing ... I can still rep revive and resupply even when not in a squad 4. 16 Randoms v 2 protosquads .. why not 1 proto squad on each team ? Answer me that instead of giving me the useless rhetoric about squadding up .. I always squad up on my main and just didn't feel like it on my alt last night Furthermore: Even if u invited randoms to your squad at the beginning or shortly after the beginning of a match, most of the time two things happen: 1. Your squad invites will be ignored until the match ends. Maybe it's the ignorance or lack of interest of some solo Rambos or because of the fact u hardly realize a notification for a squad invite during battle. Maybe also because newer players just don't know how to form or join squads. 2. Ppl realize invites after a match and join after the match, which is a little too late.... In cases like these, I write things like "Form or join squads" into team chat, without any results most of the time though. "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" Scar Scrilla - Proud Commando User & Chairman of the EUROPEAN UN1ON
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2014.01.30 15:50:00 - [15] - Quote There isn't much benefit to randomly squadding up if no one is using mics. There is no special teamwork that comes about because they now are green dots. There are some WP advantages, but that is about it. I have hit the 5 million SP mark and I am now actually able to play the game, I think most of those over this really don't realize how it is to play as a new player now. This is a situation that will only get worse unless it is fixed.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 50	Posted - 2014.01.30 17:01:00 - [16] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: There isn't much benefit to randomly squadding up if no one is using mics. There is no special teamwork that comes about because they now are green dots. There are some WP advantages, but that is about it. I have hit the 5 million SP mark and I am now actually able to play the game, I think most of those over this really don't realize how it is to play as a new player now. This is a situation that will only get worse unless it is fixed. I've been here since closed beta and never played an alt so can't comment from experience. However, when we received respecs a while back, I decided to leave everything unallocated until I had a role fully in mind. My god was I raging, all anyone had to do was cough in my general area and I was down. If I got the jump on someone I couldn't kill them quick enough, I went down. Lasted maybe 2 matches before I gave in and got my skills/suits back. So while I don't have the true NPE (I levelled alongside the other vets, things were pretty equal), pretty sure I've experienced some of their pain. Sure New Eden is brutal, but isn't it meant to be fun also?
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1302	Posted - 2014.01.30 17:27:00 - [17] - Quote Fun isn't it! $hit I have 34 million sp on my main, place top 5 np, over 1000 wp a match as a scout an my alt has 6.5 mill all in drop suit upgrades an hoarding sp for the caldari scout, all I have is a lv 4 cr an lv nk, remotes, nades an a covenant an dragonfly scout drop suit an I barely have the patience to get 100000 sp a week on it after I cap my main. It's brutal, even if I ride the coatails of a squad I barely get a 1.5 kdr per match, I don't have the dps or HP to be effective with a bpo, since no weapon proficiency, an I need a enh damp on every d.f. Scout fit just to hardly avoid scans, so basically I was forced to drop 20 bucks on the passive booster sale an hope I can get the caldari scout when it drops in 1.8 I just have to ride it out till then, cuz I can hardly fit my df scout with anything even though all my core upgrades are at 4. I figured build the suit first an worry bout everything else after I get at least a caldari racial scout to adv. But damn trying to cap that toon is frustrating as hell, I'd rather just pray we get full respec in 1.8 an ride the boosters till then than play. Noobs do the academy , play a match or two , get confident then the wolves eat them alive for months, their should be a 5000000 sp an under mode for noobs to post in squad finder an enter those matches if their all under 5 mill. But! Then again we all started here an earned our place an got smashed by vets, an only the good an dedicated stay, an this is what makes loser cod campers quit an I like that too SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4


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