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Shutter Fly wrote:

Annie Oakley II wrote:

It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot.

You can say this all you want, but things are a bit different than they were in the days of your shotgun duo. The way most proto suits are tanked these days, it is often statistically impossible to OHK and sometimes 2HK them with a CreoDron SG without stacked DMs. A Gal logi can eat 2 proto SG blasts and still avoid proto scans.

The shotty isn't as bad as most people seem to make it out to be, but it isn't quite up to par with the rifles. I can go into a game and tear through just about anyone with my CRG-3, but each kill is hard earned and not guaranteed even in the most optimal of situations. I can be completely ready for someone to come around the corner, pre aimed at high center mass, and still have to fight tooth and nail for the kill just because they survive and start backpedaling. Absolutely perfectly planned and everything laid out to be my advantage, yet the outcome is still fairly uncertain, that is the shotgun's problem.

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Eric Del Carlo 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 30	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:48:00 - [1] - Quote Honestly...this weapon is utter crap in it's intended role as a cqc weapon. Anyone can backpedal to avoid damage because the damage falloff is ridiculous. Almost only 50% of my shots actually register and do damage to the enemy. A freaking rifle can kill faster in cqc than a shotgun. Does CCP even acknowledge or know about how crappy this weapon is? Every thread I visit about th+¬ issues with the shotgun has not a single Dev response on any of them. I just feel like its a problem that's swept under the rug and forgot about... See you space cowboy...
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 137	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:51:00 - [2] - Quote Still works great on noobs. Was in my Black Eagle suit today and hacked the objective and went up the ramp to the roof and stood on the second level flush against the wall about 2 feet from the door. Waited for the guys in the militia suits to come up and it was one headshot after another. Was a nice change from the usual RR and CR usage. However, it does need to be fixed. I've killed tons of shotgunners at close range. Soon as I hear the "buptoom" I jump back and they usually die super quick from a couple CR or RR bursts. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4002	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:51:00 - [3] - Quote Eric Del Carlo wrote: Honestly...this weapon is utter crap in it's intended role as a cqc weapon. Anyone can backpedal to avoid damage because the damage falloff is ridiculous. Almost only 50% of my shots actually register and do damage to the enemy. A freaking rifle can kill faster in cqc than a shotgun. Does CCP even acknowledge or know about how crappy this weapon is? Every thread I visit about th+¬ issues with the shotgun has not a single Dev response on any of them. I just feel like its a problem that's swept under the rug and forgot about... Shotgun for Sidearm! C'mon guys, lets make it happen... ;) GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 645	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:52:00 - [4] - Quote A shotgun in its optimal, with two light damage mods dies to protos unless you have a decent amount of skills put into prof. so as to fire faster than the guy can turn around.
Eric Del Carlo 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 30	Posted - 2014.01.25 03:56:00 - [5] - Quote LEHON Xeon wrote: Still works great on noobs. Was in my Black Eagle suit today and hacked the objective and went up the ramp to the roof and stood on the second level flush against the wall about 2 feet from the door. Waited for the guys in the militia suits to come up and it was one headshot after another. Was a nice change from the usual RR and CR usage. However, it does need to be fixed. I've killed tons of shotgunners at close range. Soon as I hear the "buptoom" I jump back and they usually die super quick from a couple CR or RR bursts. Just because it works against basic suits doesn't make the shotgun fine, it's a nightmare taking against tanked and strafing enemies mowing you down in cqc with a rifle. If you used a shotgun in PC, you'd realize that the shotgun is simply unreliable even it it's intended role as a cqc weapon See you space cowboy...
Annie Oakley II TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 4	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:02:00 - [6] - Quote It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 137	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:04:00 - [7] - Quote Eric Del Carlo wrote: LEHON Xeon wrote: Still works great on noobs. Was in my Black Eagle suit today and hacked the objective and went up the ramp to the roof and stood on the second level flush against the wall about 2 feet from the door. Waited for the guys in the militia suits to come up and it was one headshot after another. Was a nice change from the usual RR and CR usage. However, it does need to be fixed. I've killed tons of shotgunners at close range. Soon as I hear the "buptoom" I jump back and they usually die super quick from a couple CR or RR bursts. Just because it works against basic suits doesn't make the shotgun fine, it's a nightmare taking against tanked and strafing enemies mowing you down in cqc with a rifle. If you used a shotgun in PC, you'd realize that the shotgun is simply unreliable even it it's intended role as a cqc weapon I didn't say it was fine overall lol. I said it does need to be fixed. It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4003	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:05:00 - [8] - Quote Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. I used to be a shotgunner. But my SG is the Breach one ,andi cant deal with NOT killing an enemy in 1 shot. So i've been using my SCR as main. SMG as secondary. GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 167	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:06:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Eric Del Carlo wrote: Honestly...this weapon is utter crap in it's intended role as a cqc weapon. Anyone can backpedal to avoid damage because the damage falloff is ridiculous. Almost only 50% of my shots actually register and do damage to the enemy. A freaking rifle can kill faster in cqc than a shotgun. Does CCP even acknowledge or know about how crappy this weapon is? Every thread I visit about th+¬ issues with the shotgun has not a single Dev response on any of them. I just feel like its a problem that's swept under the rug and forgot about... Shotgun for Sidearm! C'mon guys, lets make it happen... ;) High powered, two shot, sawed off, perhaps? I ran with a scout bpo for s's and g's today and found that I needed to practically touch the enemy with the shotgun to be in range. Otherwise it was: run up to a red, they back pedal, feather feather (the trigger), I'm dead. "...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 173	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:22:00 - [10] - Quote Eric Del Carlo wrote: Honestly...this weapon is utter crap in it's intended role as a cqc weapon. Anyone can backpedal to avoid damage because the damage falloff is ridiculous. Almost only 50% of my shots actually register and do damage to the enemy. A freaking rifle can kill faster in cqc than a shotgun. Does CCP even acknowledge or know about how crappy this weapon is? Every thread I visit about th+¬ issues with the shotgun has not a single Dev response on any of them. I just feel like its a problem that's swept under the rug and forgot about... How can you back petal as fast as you run forward? Its not that bad of a weapon but with so much focus on rifle type light weapons all other types are lagging behind.

Aizen Intiki OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 745	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:26:00 - [11] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Eric Del Carlo wrote: Honestly...this weapon is utter crap in it's intended role as a cqc weapon. Anyone can backpedal to avoid damage because the damage falloff is ridiculous. Almost only 50% of my shots actually register and do damage to the enemy. A freaking rifle can kill faster in cqc than a shotgun. Does CCP even acknowledge or know about how crappy this weapon is? Every thread I visit about th+¬ issues with the shotgun has not a single Dev response on any of them. I just feel like its a problem that's swept under the rug and forgot about... Shotgun for Sidearm! C'mon guys, lets make it happen... ;) 1: No 2: shotty is not that bad. I just killed a full sq. solo, half of which was PROTO, with a mlt shotty. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 445	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:30:00 - [12] - Quote Nothing wrong with the shotty. That's almost all I've been using, next to my CR, knives, smg, RMEs, and my imaginary bow&arrow. The shotty is working as intended, close the gap, get the jump on them and break their ranks. Don't look him in the eye, WHAT DID I JUST SAY?!!!
neausea 1987 ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 3	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:40:00 - [13] - Quote Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. the shotty is nasty and i do very well with it,now i am lvl 4 and its even better i remeber my first days on dust about a year ago and i thought most of the guns sucked until i noticed that you just have to spec into the weapon, and thanks to calamity jane and annie oakley i stepped my shotty game up. the range on it is so so but it's because its gallente trash where is my minmitar shotty =armor obliteration i try to stop puking but proto bums make me sick
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 37	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:42:00 - [14] - Quote I don't believe that shotguns are bad. A regular shotgun is pretty effective. I understand what you mean when you say the other person can turn around and kill you. I've done it to a few people. CEO of Horizons' Edge mercenary division Don't let me into my zone.
Rusty Shallows 893	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:46:00 - [15] - Quote I'm seeing some guys running Assault fits with what must be Kin-Cats. Weaving in and out of terrain, always hunting. Treating this game like a Twitch Shooter. Unholy b@st@rds. Joel II X wrote: A shotgun in its optimal, with two light damage mods dies to protos unless you have a decent amount of skills put into prof. so as to fire faster than the guy can turn around. Change the last part into, "than the guy in the open can get into cover," and the same response can be used for Laser Rifles. Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. Did anyone else get a shiver down their back? Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 759	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:47:00 - [16] - Quote Imo the range should be increased by 1-2m but otherwise its pretty good
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 239	Posted - 2014.01.25 04:57:00 - [17] - Quote WE NEED A MINMITAR SHOTGUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives. https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
Legoose MARKII Nos Nothi 10	Posted - 2014.01.25 05:24:00 - [18] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: I'm seeing some guys running Assault fits with what must be Kin-Cats. Weaving in and out of terrain, always hunting. Treating this game like a Twitch Shooter. Unholy b@st@rds. Joel II X wrote: A shotgun in its optimal, with two light damage mods dies to protos unless you have a decent amount of skills put into prof. so as to fire faster than the guy can turn around. Change the last part into, "than the guy in the open can get into cover," and the same response can be used for Laser Rifles. Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. Did anyone else get a shiver down their back? Yup I did. The last few times I used the shotgun I had terrible hit detection, but the thought of Annie and/or calamity coming back is reason enough for me to pick it up again. Who is LeGoose anyway?
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1640	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:07:00 - [19] - Quote Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. We miss you and your other half. Please come back, show these people just how scary a shotgun can be... Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
makii makii Nyain San Renegade Alliance 9	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:13:00 - [20] - Quote shotguns are yummy ^^

Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2229	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:16:00 - [21] - Quote Annie and/or Calamity comes back and says shotguns still work, I'll get back into them. But, I've used them often enough in the last 6 months to know that it ain't happenin'. Natalie Portman.
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 682	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:33:00 - [22] - Quote You are doing it wrong. A good shot gunner will always beat me in cqc unless he is so badly hurt I can one shot him before he one shots me.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 215	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:38:00 - [23] - Quote Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. You can say this all you want, but things are a bit different than they were in the days of your shotgun duo. The way most proto suits are tanked these days, it is often statistically impossible to OHK and sometimes 2HK them with a CreoDron SG without stacked DMs. A Gal logi can eat 2 proto SG blasts and still avoid proto scans. The shotty isn't as bad as most people seem to make it out to be, but it isn't quite up to par with the rifles. I can go into a game and tear through just about anyone with my CRG-3, but each kill is hard earned and not guaranteed even in the most optimal of situations. I can be completely ready for someone to come around the corner, pre aimed at high center mass, and still have to fight tooth and nail for the kill just because they survive and start backpedaling. Absolutely perfectly planned and everything laid out to be my advantage, yet the outcome is still fairly uncertain, that is the shotgun's problem.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC 76	Posted - 2014.01.25 06:59:00 - [24] - Quote Shotguns have some problems and need work but a breach will still kill the average heavy lol purnk purnk +50
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 279	Posted - 2014.01.25 07:39:00 - [25] - Quote Eric Del Carlo wrote: Honestly...this weapon is utter crap in it's intended role as a cqc weapon. Anyone can backpedal to avoid damage because the damage falloff is ridiculous. Almost only 50% of my shots actually register and do damage to the enemy. A freaking rifle can kill faster in cqc than a shotgun. Does CCP even acknowledge or know about how crappy this weapon is? Every thread I visit about th+¬ issues with the shotgun has not a single Dev response on any of them. I just feel like its a problem that's swept under the rug and forgot about... I don't use shotguns often, but when I do, I own faces.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 114	Posted - 2014.01.25 07:54:00 - [26] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: Annie Oakley II wrote: It is sad to hear that so many have lost faith in the mighty Shotgun! If this new patch allows a Re-spec I may just have to come back in and show the non-believers what a shotgun can do. The Shotgun used in the proper way is a surgical weapon for CQC, if you have fall off you aren't close enough to see the light in your enemies dim out after the first shot. You can say this all you want, but things are a bit different than they were in the days of your shotgun duo. The way most proto suits are tanked these days, it is often statistically impossible to OHK and sometimes 2HK them with a CreoDron SG without stacked DMs. A Gal logi can eat 2 proto SG blasts and still avoid proto scans. The shotty isn't as bad as most people seem to make it out to be, but it isn't quite up to par with the rifles. I can go into a game and tear through just about anyone with my CRG-3, but each kill is hard earned and not guaranteed even in the most optimal of situations. I can be completely ready for someone to come around the corner, pre aimed at high center mass, and still have to fight tooth and nail for the kill just because they survive and start backpedaling. Absolutely perfectly planned and everything laid out to be my advantage, yet the outcome is still fairly uncertain, that is the shotgun's problem. Yeah.. I do want my rematch we had a back and forth killing spree against each other.. I felt like you was out to gey me personally.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 467	Posted - 2014.01.25 08:07:00 - [27] - Quote Just wait till 1.8 comes,everyones getting a hp buff and what took 2 shots to kill a mid frame will take 3-4, heavies even more... A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 467	Posted - 2014.01.25 08:08:00 - [28] - Quote Just wait till 1.8 comes,everyones getting a hp buff and what took 2 shots to kill a mid frame will take 3-4, heavies even more... A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.


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