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CrotchGrab 360 The Men In The Mirror 1379	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:48:00 - [1] - Quote "WeGÇÖd like to approach the problem by first increasing the PG/CPU " NONONONONONONONONONONONO STOP why not try something like, reducing the amount of uplinks per team, per area, within a certain radius, within a certain time frame from the same player. lock equipment slots to 1 type of each, such as: 1 uplink, 1 hive, 1 repair tool on a caldari logi. they can only have 1 of each. WHY WHY WHY WHY ON EARTH RAISE THE PG/CPU COSTS? My logi suits is MAXED OUT on PG and CPU and I fill all 3 equipment slots, are you going to push out my repair tool because the uplink is too expensive? all because stupid little kids needs to lag out a game in order to win? how about i just stack health modules like you want me to! good luck creating a support class. do yourself a favour and rename the logistics class.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1652	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:50:00 - [2] - Quote You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 98	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:53:00 - [3] - Quote I think we saw this comingGÇªany 'new bonus' to all role suits essentially meant to me "we are going to make it so no one else can use it easily, but give bonuses to the roles so they can operate as normal." Translation: PG/CPU fitting bonus = taking away the free reps per sec and giving nothing back. Further nurfing required for the OP amount of usability to deployable equipment. The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.
God Hates Lags Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 704	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:53:00 - [4] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: "WeGÇÖd like to approach the problem by first increasing the PG/CPU " NONONONONONONONONONONONO STOP why not try something like, reducing the amount of uplinks per team, per area, within a certain radius, within a certain time frame from the same player. lock equipment slots to 1 type of each, such as: 1 uplink, 1 hive, 1 repair tool on a caldari logi. they can only have 1 of each. WHY WHY WHY WHY ON EARTH RAISE THE PG/CPU COSTS? My logi suits is MAXED OUT on PG and CPU and I fill all 3 equipment slots, are you going to push out my repair tool because the uplink is too expensive? all because stupid little kids needs to lag out a game in order to win? how about i just stack health modules like you want me to! good luck creating a support class. do yourself a favour and rename the logistics class. You're already getting a 25% reduction to equipment for the new logistics suit bonus. As for the CPU/PG cost I'm confused. The basic equipment doesn't cost much at all. Or are you using all proto? The new logistics doctrine makes sense. Logistics are encouraged to specialize in one piece of equipment each, but can use others as secondaries. This only makes sense and is fair. Doubles ISK
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8237	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:54:00 - [5] - Quote If you're actually a logi you're getting 25% reduction to fitting costs... Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1508	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:55:00 - [6] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Ah yes. Give us a CPU/PG bonus, then increase the CPU/PG of equipment to make our bonus pointless. I say we should decrease the Fire Rate of ALL weapons by 20%, and increase the fitting price of cloaks by 75% while we are at it. Oh splash damage should do 25% more damage as well! See what I am getting at? Edit: I forgot about commandos. -10% weapon damage across the board. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 837	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:56:00 - [7] - Quote I don't think it's even close to the best way to fix equipment spam - but that doesn't mean they shouldn't do it for the balance reasons others have already listed.
God Hates Lags Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 710	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:12:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Ah yes. Give us a CPU/PG bonus, then increase the CPU/PG of equipment to make our bonus pointless. I say we should decrease the Fire Rate of ALL weapons by 20%, and increase the fitting price of cloaks by 75% while we are at it. Oh splash damage should do 25% more damage as well! See what I am getting at? Edit: I forgot about commandos. -10% weapon damage across the board. I'd actually support all of these things other than the splash damage and cloaking. Would make TTK much more reasonable. Doubles ISK
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1693	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:16:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Ah yes. Give us a CPU/PG bonus, then increase the CPU/PG of equipment to make our bonus pointless. I say we should decrease the Fire Rate of ALL weapons by 20%, and increase the fitting price of cloaks by 75% while we are at it. Oh splash damage should do 25% more damage as well! See what I am getting at? Edit: I forgot about commandos. -10% weapon damage across the board. Yeah actually, that's generally how T2 ships work in EVE too. Almost all ships can use any module, but only specific ones can use specific modules easily. Specialty suits should negate the disadvantages of modules/weapons with their general bonus, and enhance the role specific trails with the race specific bonus. 1.8 Sentinels Damage Efficiency Effective HP
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1653	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:25:00 - [10] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Ah yes. Give us a CPU/PG bonus, then increase the CPU/PG of equipment to make our bonus pointless. I say we should decrease the Fire Rate of ALL weapons by 20%, and increase the fitting price of cloaks by 75% while we are at it. Oh splash damage should do 25% more damage as well! See what I am getting at? Edit: I forgot about commandos. -10% weapon damage across the board. Yes. It makes the bonus for us pointless. Actual logis will be able to equip equipment like they always did. The point is that it makes fitting this harder for everybody else. That's the reason. You only look at one class and don't look at the whole picture. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!

Teilka Darkmist 46	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:45:00 - [11] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Ah yes. Give us a CPU/PG bonus, then increase the CPU/PG of equipment to make our bonus pointless. I say we should decrease the Fire Rate of ALL weapons by 20%, and increase the fitting price of cloaks by 75% while we are at it. Oh splash damage should do 25% more damage as well! See what I am getting at? Edit: I forgot about commandos. -10% weapon damage across the board. I think the point is give the PG/CPU bonus to logistics suits, then up the PG/CPU of the equipment so that other suits are less likely to use them. Make logistics something that logistics suits do. Like the cloaks, they're probably going to have a fairly high PG/CPU baseline to discourage most suits from using them and scout suits get a PG/CPU reduction for cloaks because scouts are meant to be the sneaky ones. When I play as a sniper, I'm more likely to be nearer to the opponents redline than my own.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 5874	Posted - 2014.01.22 23:51:00 - [12] - Quote An increase to CPU/PG isn't going to fix the spam problem, people are just going to make fits that have nothing except equipment, spam, and switch at a supply depot. This is not the way to fix it. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Seigfried Warheit 126	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:28:00 - [13] - Quote Its only gonna be harder for other suits to use the equipment but logis will have a easier time fitting them with the -25% cpu/pg for equipment....
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1520	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:49:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: An increase to CPU/PG isn't going to fix the spam problem, people are just going to make fits that have nothing except equipment, spam, and switch at a supply depot. This is not the way to fix it. That's what I'll be doing in light of this new info. 7 uplinks per map, then it's killing time. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 450	Posted - 2014.01.23 00:54:00 - [15] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: You know to compensate logis will most certainly get a bonus on equipment fitting? I thought this was already confirmed. Well that would still not solve anything, it's not like it's assault suits spamming equipment. Raising requirements wont change someone from making a suit dedicated to spamming any particular equipment. It's just going to screw those of us who fit legitimate load outs. Why give a bonus if your just going to offset it by raising requirements? I am no good to anyone when I die instantly because I have all of 300 hp. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 2	Posted - 2014.01.23 01:26:00 - [16] - Quote Logi suits do the spamming. Particularly the ones in the redline who spam hives and then have a mate shoot into the air to double down on +10 WP * hives. Make it WP only in the War zone. Make equipment that is in a mass unstable. So they output less, flicker, slow down uplink spawn time. He devices are causing game lag then use real world phenomena and have the devices lag too. Allow flux which is a form of lightning to chain jump. Of devices are too close the flux blast will hit all in its radius and jump again from those devices. So the devices will get hit further out and closer ones will ge additional back scatter.


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