DUST Search - Matchmaking has the same teams over and over

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

Darken-Soul wrote:

The player base isn't all that big. You are bound to run into the same people over and over.

Right. I know this. However, why is it that you will literally have the same people against you and have the same team 5 games in a row? Allow me to make an analogy:

You have a bag of dice. 32 dice. There are 2 sets of dice duct taped together with 3 each and 4 sets of dice glued together with 2 each (2 squad of 3, 4 squads of 2). That means there are 18 solo dice that can be mixed and matched. Obviously with those 32 dice, every time you pull out a 16 between two different people, you are going to run into the same numbers over and over. That makes sense. However, that isn't what is happening. What seems to be happening is that the dice are not being put back in the bag between each group (match) and are instead carrying over to the next group (match) instead of having a new randomized group next match.

With 32 people, the odds of running into the exact same teams (IE, numbers 1-16 on my team, 17-32 on the enemy team) multiple times in a row is still unlikely. However, it seems to happen all the time. Saying it is because there is a small group still doesn't explain why the same team composition will exist between games. Yes, the people would be the same but the composition should be randomized.

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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 344	Posted - 2014.01.20 06:43:00 - [1] - Quote Did a couple matches tonight. There was a squad of 6 guys on the other side each game. Each time, I was playing the same team with the same people. The randoms on their side also ended up on their team multiple times. I have had it happen before. Several months back, I played late at night like 10 matches. Each game had exactly the same people in it. Why is it that the matchmaking is never randomized? In other games, I might run into the same people over and over but I might be on their team one game and the next not. It seems as if there is no randomization that happens. Anyone else notice this? Be well. -Joseph
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4075	Posted - 2014.01.20 07:55:00 - [2] - Quote Why do people tag their names at the end of messages when their name is right there? Is there some sort of trend or fad that it's the cool thing to do? Like Mountain Dew or Call of Duty and Dubstep? P.S. Mountain Dew is master drink.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1105	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:39:00 - [3] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Did a couple matches tonight. There was a squad of 6 guys on the other side each game. Each time, I was playing the same team with the same people. The randoms on their side also ended up on their team multiple times. I have had it happen before. Several months back, I played late at night like 10 matches. Each game had exactly the same people in it. Why is it that the matchmaking is never randomized? In other games, I might run into the same people over and over but I might be on their team one game and the next not. It seems as if there is no randomization that happens. Anyone else notice this? Be well. -Joseph pauses Dragons Dogma . tank spam made many quit dust for a month?? goes back to playing Dragons Dogma . Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 844	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:39:00 - [4] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Why do people tag their names at the end of messages when their name is right there? Is there some sort of trend or fad that it's the cool thing to do? Like Mountain Dew or Call of Duty and Dubstep? P.S. Mountain Dew is master drink. Mountain dew makes you sterile Channel - Vote for Delt Delt for CPM1
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2674	Posted - 2014.01.20 08:41:00 - [5] - Quote Try not to jam on that X button. Take a two minute breather, walk around the MQ, check your skills...then hit X. People tend to X hop so the same folks queue up for battle at the same time. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Darken-Soul Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:05:00 - [6] - Quote The player base isn't all that big. You are bound to run into the same people over and over. I am the real Darken
lok rark StealthSquad 29	Posted - 2014.01.20 09:08:00 - [7] - Quote Try a server change? I never had that happen... like that. I had T.I.R before and then it changed. Also good to mix 3skirmish 1domination.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1443	Posted - 2014.01.20 10:00:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Why do people tag their names at the end of messages when their name is right there? Is there some sort of trend or fad that it's the cool thing to do? Like Mountain Dew or Call of Duty and Dubstep? P.S. Mountain Dew is master drink. Dr. Pepper is master drink. 23 manly flavors. Mountain Dew is far too sugary. Its so strong, it irritates my tongue, and makes my tastebuds swell up... -Fizzer Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves 126	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:31:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Why do people tag their names at the end of messages when their name is right there? Is there some sort of trend or fad that it's the cool thing to do? Like Mountain Dew or Call of Duty and Dubstep? P.S. Mountain Dew is master drink. Dr. Pepper is master drink. 23 manly flavors. Mountain Dew is far too sugary. Its so strong, it irritates my tongue, and makes my tastebuds swell up... -Fizzer I like tea... Jesus that made me sound special lol. Noobasaures: "Rawr" Laser Rifle Specialist, Rail Rifles... Lol fail CCP Remnant, savior of the laser rifle!!!
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 30	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:35:00 - [10] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Why do people tag their names at the end of messages when their name is right there? Is there some sort of trend or fad that it's the cool thing to do? Like Mountain Dew or Call of Duty and Dubstep? P.S. Mountain Dew is master drink. Mountain dew makes you sterile ?

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1513	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:52:00 - [11] - Quote mountain dew is good coke is good cake is good no commas is good lack of grammar is good tanks is good #yoloswag is good -Bob is good. Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion 1245	Posted - 2014.01.20 12:56:00 - [12] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Mountain Dew is far too sugary. Its so strong, it irritates my tongue, and makes my tastebuds swell up... -Fizzer Don't worry that's just cancer.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:10:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Try not to jam on that X button. Take a two minute breather, walk around the MQ, check your skills...then hit X. People tend to X hop so the same folks queue up for battle at the same time. Right, I understand that. I know that the player base is not that huge but it still doesn't make sense that the teams wouldn't be randomized in anyway. If there are 22 randoms between two teams and you get put into the same group of people, you would expect that the teams wouldn't be a mirror from last game. It just seems as once you are put against a team, you won't be put on that side one way or another. It has been going on for as long as I have been playing DUST. The reason why I tag my name is because, for some reason, I have done it for the longest time. E-mails, forums, letters, everything. Why does everyone else do it? I dunno, ask them if seeing someone's name in the post offends your senses.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 31	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:17:00 - [14] - Quote +1 yeah fighting the same guys over and over to the point where i know there names. Even when it's 50,000 people in the server. "Anybody order chaos?"
Roofer Madness Tickle My Null-Sac 759	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:33:00 - [15] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: The player base isn't all that big. You are bound to run into the same people over and over. I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted.
Roofer Madness Tickle My Null-Sac 759	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:33:00 - [16] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: +1 yeah fighting the same guys over and over to the point where i know there names. Even when it's 50,000 people in the server. Yeah, and 47,000 of them are on EVE..... I spent half my ISK on gambling, alcohol and wild women. The other half I wasted.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1069	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:45:00 - [17] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Did a couple matches tonight. There was a squad of 6 guys on the other side each game. Each time, I was playing the same team with the same people. The randoms on their side also ended up on their team multiple times. I have had it happen before. Several months back, I played late at night like 10 matches. Each game had exactly the same people in it. Why is it that the matchmaking is never randomized? In other games, I might run into the same people over and over but I might be on their team one game and the next not. It seems as if there is no randomization that happens. Anyone else notice this? Be well. -Joseph pauses Dragons Dogma . tank spam made many quit dust for a month?? goes back to playing Dragons Dogma . this. PS: dragons dogma is great I am currently also playing a fresh Dark Souls character (cause Dark Souls II is coming in March)
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 990	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:17:00 - [18] - Quote Its because dust has a small player pool to draw from because this game is so harsh for new players that 90% of people who try the game quit shortly after graduating the academy. For whatever reason CCP thinks 1500WP is enough to know the game and throws new players who don't know how to properly skill into roles and throws them to wolves (20+million SP players) STB Director, #1 in Warpoints E3 Closed Beta Build, Water Pipe Aficionado
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 346	Posted - 2014.01.20 16:22:00 - [19] - Quote Mr Pib (or known now as Pib Xtra) is master race drink Also signing your name at the end of a post is for people who sit in coffie shops with their laptops all day so people think their somehow important, when they are really jobless.
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 346	Posted - 2014.01.20 18:11:00 - [20] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: The player base isn't all that big. You are bound to run into the same people over and over. Right. I know this. However, why is it that you will literally have the same people against you and have the same team 5 games in a row? Allow me to make an analogy: You have a bag of dice. 32 dice. There are 2 sets of dice duct taped together with 3 each and 4 sets of dice glued together with 2 each (2 squad of 3, 4 squads of 2). That means there are 18 solo dice that can be mixed and matched. Obviously with those 32 dice, every time you pull out a 16 between two different people, you are going to run into the same numbers over and over. That makes sense. However, that isn't what is happening. What seems to be happening is that the dice are not being put back in the bag between each group (match) and are instead carrying over to the next group (match) instead of having a new randomized group next match. With 32 people, the odds of running into the exact same teams (IE, numbers 1-16 on my team, 17-32 on the enemy team) multiple times in a row is still unlikely. However, it seems to happen all the time. Saying it is because there is a small group still doesn't explain why the same team composition will exist between games. Yes, the people would be the same but the composition should be randomized.

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 847	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:02:00 - [21] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Darken-Soul wrote: The player base isn't all that big. You are bound to run into the same people over and over. Right. I know this. However, why is it that you will literally have the same people against you and have the same team 5 games in a row? Allow me to make an analogy: You have a bag of dice. 32 dice. There are 2 sets of dice duct taped together with 3 each and 4 sets of dice glued together with 2 each (2 squad of 3, 4 squads of 2). That means there are 18 solo dice that can be mixed and matched. Obviously with those 32 dice, every time you pull out a 16 between two different people, you are going to run into the same numbers over and over. That makes sense. However, that isn't what is happening. What seems to be happening is that the dice are not being put back in the bag between each group (match) and are instead carrying over to the next group (match) instead of having a new randomized group next match. With 32 people, the odds of running into the exact same teams (IE, numbers 1-16 on my team, 17-32 on the enemy team) multiple times in a row is still unlikely. However, it seems to happen all the time. Saying it is because there is a small group still doesn't explain why the same team composition will exist between games. Yes, the people would be the same but the composition should be randomized. when you exit a game, everyone who was in that last game with you are back into the que with you, but everyone else is still in their games... so what happens is that the majority of the plays in que for that 20-30 seconds are the ones that were just in the game that finished becuase everyone else is still in other games. so most of your new game will be players from the last one with a few new people mixed in.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 605	Posted - 2014.01.20 19:06:00 - [22] - Quote Haha, I know! This happened to me a lot, too! Except the players kept alternating between teams, but we were the Dame people for 6 straight matches.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1107	Posted - 2014.01.20 22:24:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Why do people tag their names at the end of messages when their name is right there? Is there some sort of trend or fad that it's the cool thing to do? Like Mountain Dew or Call of Duty and Dubstep? P.S. Mountain Dew is master drink. Tequila and Vodka are master drinks. Many fine women have arrived at either the back seat of my sportscar or my bed thanks to those master drinks. Can Mountain Dew do the same?? When doing business and responding to a message the really cool thing to do is send a gift of a bottle of vodka or tequila via DHL, Fedex or some other next day service. Much better than an email. I.e. a cedar box sent via DHL containing a tequila bottle and a business card with a short message like: Director visiting in 24 hours Those turbines better be ready. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.


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