DUST Search - Thoughts: Cal or Gal Heavy Post 1.8? What do you think

Atiim wrote:

If I were you, I'd be even more scared of the Minmatar Commando than the Caldari Sentinel.

Here's a bit of theory crafting:

The Minmatar Commando has a +2% bonus to explosive weapons per level, giving a total of 10% extra damage at level 5 (Which is a free Complex Damage Modifier).

3 Complex Damage Mods will grant a total of 26.38% extra damage, plus the extra 10% from the bonus you receive, and an additional 15% extra damage you receive from Proficiency Level V.

That's a grand total of 51.38% additional damage.

Now keep in mind that Swarm Launchers have a +20% damage increased towards armored vehicles, making it a grand total of 71.38% additional damage.

Along with this, the Swarm Launcher AI almost always targets the weak spot of HAVs, which I assume gives a 20% damage boost as well.

That's a whopping 91.38% damage boost towards armored vehicles, and a 71.38% damage boost towards shielded vehicles.

So from my calculations:

2,526HP of damage per volley towards armored vehicles.

2,262HP of damage per volley towards shielded vehicles.

Why else should you be afraid you ask? A Commando has 2 Light Weapon slots and high base HP, meaning a Minmatar Commando user can (and should) be carrying a Swarm Launcher AT ALL TIMES., while not requiring support from a squad for ammo like the Sentinels, as Commando drop-suits also have an equipment slot; and without sacrificing it's Anti-Infantry abilities.

Thought 1.6 was bad? At least then people actually had to go to a Supply Depot.

((This assumes that the Minmatar Commando will have at least 3 high slots at PRO, and the damage mod's stacking penalties were calculated using this tool here.))

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CELTIC TARON Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:55:00 - [1] - Quote As the title suggests after crunching numbers just debating on which to go with thus far Cal will obviously be better for FG's and AV purposes while it appears that Gal will be superior with the MG. Post your thoughts, and please trolls go elsewhere lol. hangs "Do Not Feed The Trolls" sign :p PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
Aziagarth Haus Kinda New here 9	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:57:00 - [2] - Quote HMG for life. Whichever suit supports the HMG better.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 1058	Posted - 2014.01.20 04:58:00 - [3] - Quote The cal heavy is the ultimate, hit and rung, glass cannon. Gal heavy is the iron wall that laughs at infantry. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 492	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:18:00 - [4] - Quote Zekain K wrote: The cal heavy is the ultimate, hit and rung, glass cannon. Gal heavy is the iron wall that laughs at infantry. and the amarr heavy with its awesome heavy laser... nvm... Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 597	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:20:00 - [5] - Quote Gallente. Master. Race.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 739	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:26:00 - [6] - Quote Gallente heavy will comsume the souls of the living Caldari will be killed a a flux grenade and a few bullets
CELTIC TARON Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:28:00 - [7] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Gallente heavy will comsume the souls of the living Caldari will be killed a a flux grenade and a few bullets flux dmg will be decreased by 25% remember it's classified "splash" dmg because of the AOE PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 131	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:29:00 - [8] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Gallente heavy will comsume the souls of the living Caldari will be killed a a flux grenade and a few bullets few bullets or one bullet? I just know now I'm going to be fluxed and taken out t pasture. So much confusion already about the 1 sec depleted shields delay that suit is gonna be pre nerfed. Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 739	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:47:00 - [9] - Quote CELTIC TARON wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Gallente heavy will comsume the souls of the living Caldari will be killed a a flux grenade and a few bullets flux dmg will be decreased by 25% remember it's classified "splash" dmg because of the AOE Advanced flux does 1500 damage, 1125 after 25% resist Caldari heavy is dead on arrival to anyone with a flux grenade
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 739	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:47:00 - [10] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Gallente heavy will comsume the souls of the living Caldari will be killed a a flux grenade and a few bullets few bullets or one bullet? I just know now I'm going to be fluxed and taken out t pasture. So much confusion already about the 1 sec depleted shields delay that suit is gonna be pre nerfed. The 1s depleted delay will kost likely be 5s since the normal delay is 4s

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3699	Posted - 2014.01.20 05:48:00 - [11] - Quote If I were you, I'd be even more scared of the Minmatar Commando than the Caldari Sentinel. Here's a bit of theory crafting: The Minmatar Commando has a +2% bonus to explosive weapons per level, giving a total of 10% extra damage at level 5 (Which is a free Complex Damage Modifier). 3 Complex Damage Mods will grant a total of 26.38% extra damage, plus the extra 10% from the bonus you receive, and an additional 15% extra damage you receive from Proficiency Level V. That's a grand total of 51.38% additional damage. Now keep in mind that Swarm Launchers have a +20% damage increased towards armored vehicles, making it a grand total of 71.38% additional damage. Along with this, the Swarm Launcher AI almost always targets the weak spot of HAVs, which I assume gives a 20% damage boost as well. That's a whopping 91.38% damage boost towards armored vehicles, and a 71.38% damage boost towards shielded vehicles. So from my calculations: 2,526HP of damage per volley towards armored vehicles. 2,262HP of damage per volley towards shielded vehicles. Why else should you be afraid? A Commando has 2 Light Weapon slots and high base HP, meaning a Minmatar Commando user can (and should) be carrying a Swarm Launcher AT ALL TIMES., while not requiring support from a squad for ammo like the Sentinels, as Commando drop-suits also have an equipment slot. Thought 1.6 was bad? At least then people actually had to go to a Supply Depot. ((This assumes that the Minmatar Commando will have at least 3 high slots at PRO, and the damage mod's stacking penalties were calculated using this tool here. Kill 1 and 7 more come right back. Makes you wonder if tankers are like zombies. Although, that would explain a lot.
CELTIC TARON Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:08:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: If I were you, I'd be even more scared of the Minmatar Commando than the Caldari Sentinel. Here's a bit of theory crafting: The Minmatar Commando has a +2% bonus to explosive weapons per level, giving a total of 10% extra damage at level 5 (Which is a free Complex Damage Modifier). 3 Complex Damage Mods will grant a total of 26.38% extra damage, plus the extra 10% from the bonus you receive, and an additional 15% extra damage you receive from Proficiency Level V. That's a grand total of 51.38% additional damage. Now keep in mind that Swarm Launchers have a +20% damage increased towards armored vehicles, making it a grand total of 71.38% additional damage. Along with this, the Swarm Launcher AI almost always targets the weak spot of HAVs, which I assume gives a 20% damage boost as well. That's a whopping 91.38% damage boost towards armored vehicles, and a 71.38% damage boost towards shielded vehicles. So from my calculations: 2,526HP of damage per volley towards armored vehicles. 2,262HP of damage per volley towards shielded vehicles. Why else should you be afraid you ask? A Commando has 2 Light Weapon slots and high base HP, meaning a Minmatar Commando user can (and should) be carrying a Swarm Launcher AT ALL TIMES., while not requiring support from a squad for ammo like the Sentinels, as Commando drop-suits also have an equipment slot; and without sacrificing it's Anti-Infantry abilities. Thought 1.6 was bad? At least then people actually had to go to a Supply Depot. ((This assumes that the Minmatar Commando will have at least 3 high slots at PRO, and the damage mod's stacking penalties were calculated using this tool here.)) Here are the dropsuit stats for 1.8: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitsuprising18.jpg Here are the new suit bonuses for scouts heavies and commando for those that may want it: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65556/1/dropsuitskills181.jpg PC Tanker AND PROUD! Especially When I Shove A Missile Up Your Arse! Yes Militia need adjusted Long Live Tanks :)
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 577	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:14:00 - [13] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: CELTIC TARON wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Gallente heavy will comsume the souls of the living Caldari will be killed a a flux grenade and a few bullets flux dmg will be decreased by 25% remember it's classified "splash" dmg because of the AOE Advanced flux does 1500 damage, 1125 after 25% resist Caldari heavy is dead on arrival to anyone with a flux grenade You beat me to it - unfortunately the flux is the hard counter to a caldari heavy - instant wipe on all shields..... and this is your primary tank - not to mention nothing heals your shields - no reppers or hives can help you gun it back to life - having said that, it would be interesting to see how bad the "typo" was on the depleted shield recharge... if it's around the 4 or 5 second mark then it definitely seems a bit gimped.
God Hates Lags Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 685	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:31:00 - [14] - Quote I'm surprised everyone is touting Gallente when Amarr can tank more armor and has a greater resistance to projecticle weapons. Doubles ISK
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2683	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:34:00 - [15] - Quote Does the Swarm Launcher do explosive or kinetic damage? Considering its Caldari it may not be getting the explosive damage bonus or maybe just part of it. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3324	Posted - 2014.01.20 15:43:00 - [16] - Quote Cal heavy will get fluxed and gal heavy will get cored. Nothing new here... The community is the worst thing that ever happened to this game. Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer


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