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KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 435	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:19:00 - [1] - Quote The Eve devs gave up on using fitting hacks to restrict module usage a long time ago. If the Cloak is intended to be used on scouts, just restrict it to scouts, and keep the CPU/PG on the module itself reasonable. Also, restricting it to scouts, (or a new covert-specific class) is a thing you could heavily consider.
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1203	Posted - 2014.01.18 00:45:00 - [2] - Quote No "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 435	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:43:00 - [3] - Quote Vermaak Doe wrote: No Thanks for your feedback.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1371	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:49:00 - [4] - Quote This way is better... Nobody can effectively use a cloak but a scout, but nobody has to skill into a specialized class just to test cloaking out. Better. Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 664	Posted - 2014.01.18 06:55:00 - [5] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: This way is better... Nobody can effectively use a cloak but a scout, but nobody has to skill into a specialized class just to test cloaking out. Better. I agree. I mean scouts are getting 75% off of the cloaking field...75%!!. CCP have got to be planning on making the cloak expensive as hell on your fits if they are making the bonus THAT high! BTW, a commando with a cloak is scary and I would love to see...er... witness it. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6489	Posted - 2014.01.18 07:25:00 - [6] - Quote I disagree, at least mostly. Keep in mind that I am a dedicated scout and I have been scouting since closed beta. Every suit class that can fit an equipment item should have a chance to use a standard cloak for a little added flexibility. Scouts on the other hand will definitely have a 75% bonus to CPU/PG consumption of cloaking equipment when fitted. Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136370&find=unread Let's assume for the sake of this argument that the standard cloak equipment will cost about 60 PG and 270 CPU (my own guess) to fit on any non-scout suit. That means that only the Logistics will likely be the non-scout to have any remote chance of effectively fitting this thing if it's given something like a 5%-per-level fitting bonus for equipment. That will only be a 25% bonus overall for fitting the cloak. That is very limited compared to the 75% that scouts would get for the cloak specifically. Let's do the math. 25% of 60PG and 270CPU is 15PG and 68CPU eliminated leaving the cloak with 45PG and 202CPU needed to fit on the Logi. Even for a Logi, 45/202 is a lot of resources taken up. The Logi will have to sacrifice quite a bit to make the cloak fit even competitive and even then the logi is better off just being support for the squad. 75% of 60PG and 270CPU is 45PG and 202CPU eliminated leaving the cloak with only 15PG and 68CPU needed to fit on the scout. If you look at the scout suits that are receiving a buff to PG and CPU already, that leaves the scouts with a home-field advantage over even the logis in the cloak department and still leave plenty of room to fit many other things that make it very competitive. Of course, there should also be a covert ops cloak that would only be for specialty covert ops scout suits that give even bigger benefits, but that would mean investing a lot into a new suit that is better than even the proto scouts. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 168	Posted - 2014.01.18 12:20:00 - [7] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: The Eve devs gave up on using fitting hacks to restrict module usage a long time ago. If the Cloak is intended to be used on scouts, just restrict it to scouts, and keep the CPU/PG on the module itself reasonable. Also, restricting it to scouts, (or a new covert-specific class) is a thing you could heavily consider. hahahaha
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1209	Posted - 2014.01.19 16:07:00 - [8] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: No Thanks for your feedback. I always respond appropriately to the facts in the op. "Always fight dirty, the victor writes history" Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2548	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:36:00 - [9] - Quote Maybe make it so only scouts can cloak and walk around but anyone else fitting one can not move when cloaked. This would mirror the way cloaking works in EVE. Gÿ£GÿàGÿP Subdreddit Recruitment Video Gÿ£GÿàGÿP
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1605	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:41:00 - [10] - Quote They effectively are limited only to scouts due to excessively high resource cost that the scout can reduce with skills. However making suit specific modules is bad, reduction bonuses however...much more flexible. Say I'm a Logi and I have a need to be able to cloak. I can give up basically all semblance of defenses in order to cloak, making me weak as well but I still had the flexibility to do that. This allows for that, but I have to give up SO much to fit the damn thing that its really not effective in combat. The scout however can fit it with little cost, making them the most effective, but not the only one who can use it. This is much like the new Logistics bonuses; everyone can use equipment, but the Logistics has to give up far less to do so. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs

Harpyja Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1122	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:45:00 - [11] - Quote Cloaks should be available to everyone. But these should be the drawbacks for using a cloak: Can't fire, use equipment, or activate modules (for vehicles in future releases) A few seconds of delay after decloaking before being able to use weapons, equipment, and modules Movement penalty based on cloak tier while cloaked Getting too close to another player will decloak Taking damage will decloak Now, the scout suit should remove the second and third penalties as a class bonus. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Sgt Buttscratch 1345	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:47:00 - [12] - Quote I used to think this, but it will diversify a lot of assault and logistics builds if they do attempt it, an also I want to see a commando just appear, rather than being a useless red turd who is merely there to respawn. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1606	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:49:00 - [13] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Cloaks should be available to everyone. But these should be the drawbacks for using a cloak: Can't fire, use equipment, or activate modules (for vehicles in future releases) A few seconds of delay after decloaking before being able to use weapons, equipment, and modules Movement penalty based on cloak tier while cloaked Getting too close to another player will decloak Taking damage will decloak Now, the scout suit should remove the second and third penalties as a class bonus. I agree with all of this but would like to add to point 5 that I would remove environmental damage from that decloaking mechanic, because stepping off a ramp at the wrong angle seems to wipe out half my shields and that would kind of suck if it decloaked me. 1.8 Analysis - Sentinel Damage Efficiency Calcs
Spartan MK420 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 87	Posted - 2014.01.19 18:27:00 - [14] - Quote but i was looking foward to wearing 5 complex dampeners, a scanner, and a cloaking device on my gallante logi :( Unofficial D.A.R.K.L.E.G.I.O.N team mascot.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6499	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:16:00 - [15] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: Maybe make it so only scouts can cloak and walk around but anyone else fitting one can not move when cloaked. This would mirror the way cloaking works in EVE. Um... Eve ships can move while cloaked. Just not so much when it's NOT a covert ops ship or transport. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6499	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:18:00 - [16] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: They effectively are limited only to scouts due to excessively high resource cost that the scout can reduce with skills. However making suit specific modules is bad, reduction bonuses however...much more flexible. Say I'm a Logi and I have a need to be able to cloak. I can give up basically all semblance of defenses in order to cloak, making me weak as well but I still had the flexibility to do that. This allows for that, but I have to give up SO much to fit the damn thing that its really not effective in combat. The scout however can fit it with little cost, making them the most effective, but not the only one who can use it. This is much like the new Logistics bonuses; everyone can use equipment, but the Logistics has to give up far less to do so. Exactly. You can look at my previous post in this thread as an example. Scouts will get a lot of benefits from what I see. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6499	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:20:00 - [17] - Quote Spartan MK420 wrote: but i was looking foward to wearing 5 complex dampeners, a scanner, and a cloaking device on my gallante logi :( And still get pinged by the Duvolle Focused Active Scanner and it's 15dB scan precision. Gallente Scout Gk.0 FTW OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1613	Posted - 2014.01.19 20:26:00 - [18] - Quote KA24DERT wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: No Thanks for your feedback. More feedback isn't needed. Your idea is stupid. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 438	Posted - 2014.01.19 22:32:00 - [19] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: No Thanks for your feedback. More feedback isn't needed. Your idea is stupid. Thanks for your feedback.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 673	Posted - 2014.01.20 06:31:00 - [20] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Vermaak Doe wrote: No Thanks for your feedback. More feedback isn't needed. Your idea is stupid. Well that was rude It's OK to not like it but keep in mind that every deserves to speak there mind. Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!



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