CCP must be assuming that all scouts are going to use their 2nd equipment slot for the new cloaking device which is obviously going to have a beastly fitting requirement in order to keep it for the scouts only. This will not happen many people will forgo the cloaking device put a couple compact hives in equipment and use all that CPU/PG the scouts will have to make slayers that assault suits won't be able to compete with.

This is so like the CCP assumption that logi's will use their 1HP armor repair/level so they can survive while repping others that it is absolutely hilarious to me. Giving scouts 2 equipment slots and more PG/CPU across the board will make the slayer logi problem seem trivial in comparison.

So I ran some quick and rough numbers with the Gallente scout because I think it is going to be the most OP scout...

I calculated assuming Level 5 for electronics and engineering, as well as for shield extenders, armor plates, armor reps. Level 5 for shield and armor as well (I am not absolutely sure how the armor and shield bonuses are calculated with regard to including mods or before mods I assumed before modules so as to be on the low end rather than possible high end).

I thus present to you the Gallente slayer scout:

High modules: 1 Complex shield extender, 1 complex damage mod

Low modules: 3 enhanced armor plates, 1 complex armor repairer

M1 locus grenade

Proto scrambler rifle (because it has highest fitting requirements)

Proto assault SMG (fairly high fitting requirements)

Equipment: 2 compact nanohives

Speed: 500 (sorry not sure how to convert that)

Total shields: 158 HP
Total armor: 575 HP

So what we have is a slayer with just a little less HP than an assault, but it is faster and has a smaller hitbox and profile. Can armor repair at 8 HP/sec but can also carry 2 compact hives to self resupply or rep even faster. Not to mention its nice bonus to scanning especially if you have your own passive scan skills increased.

I did not even account for CPU reductions due to weapon skills or PG reductions elsewhere so I'm sure it can be fit better than this even. I'm a ******* when it comes to making fittings so I'm sure someone else can and will fit it much better than this even.

So I ran some quick and rough numbers with the Gallente scout because I think it is going to be the most OP scout...

I calculated assuming Level 5 for electronics and engineering, as well as for shield extenders, armor plates, armor reps. Level 5 for shield and armor as well (I am not absolutely sure how the armor and shield bonuses are calculated with regard to including mods or before mods I assumed before modules so as to be on the low end rather than possible high end).

I thus present to you the Gallente slayer scout:

High modules: 1 Complex shield extender, 1 complex damage mod

Low modules: 3 enhanced armor plates, 1 complex armor repairer

M1 locus grenade

Proto scrambler rifle (because it has highest fitting requirements)

Proto assault SMG (fairly high fitting requirements)

Equipment: 2 compact nanohives

Speed: 500 (sorry not sure how to convert that)

Total shields: 158 HP
Total armor: 575 HP

So what we have is a slayer with just a little less HP than an assault, but it is faster and has a smaller hitbox and profile. Can armor repair at 8 HP/sec but can also carry 2 compact hives to self resupply or rep even faster. Not to mention its nice bonus to scanning especially if you have your own passive scan skills increased.

I did not even account for CPU reductions due to weapon skills or PG reductions elsewhere so I'm sure it can be fit better than this even. I'm a ******* when it comes to making fittings so I'm sure someone else can and will fit it much better than this even.

CCP must be assuming that all scouts are going to use their 2nd equipment slot for the new cloaking device which is obviously going to have a beastly fitting requirement in order to keep it for the scouts only. This will not happen many people will forgo the cloaking device put a couple compact hives in equipment and use all that CPU/PG the scouts will have to make slayers that assault suits won't be able to compete with.

This is so like the CCP assumption that logi's will use their 1HP armor repair/level so they can survive while repping others that it is absolutely hilarious to me. Giving scouts 2 equipment slots and more PG/CPU across the board will make the slayer logi problem seem trivial in comparison.

What scout would willingly sacrifice THAT MUCH SPEED for HP? Any REAL scout will tell you that our HP is the last thing we look at when trying to make our fits.

2 C-Hives!? What? Are you nuts!? The only scouts that would do something like that are the snipers. The majority of scouts rock RE, Scans, or uplinks so chances are there will be a lot more espionage going on (so much easier to plant RE on tanks when nobody can see you coming). I already enjoy going behind enemy lines and hacking all there stuff right from under there noses so this is gonna make that SOOOOO MUCH EASIER!

What scout would willingly sacrifice THAT MUCH SPEED for HP? Any REAL scout will tell you that our HP is the last thing we look at when trying to make our fits.

2 C-Hives!? What? Are you nuts!? The only scouts that would do something like that are the snipers. The majority of scouts rock RE, Scans, or uplinks so chances are there will be a lot more espionage going on (so much easier to plant RE on tanks when nobody can see you coming). I already enjoy going behind enemy lines and hacking all there stuff right from under there noses so this is gonna make that SOOOOO MUCH EASIER!

If someone wants to be a slayer scout let them. The suit is light and fast, and nigh undetectable. That is its strength. If I were to imagine a 'Slayer Scout' it would be more of a scout dodging around the edge of a battlefield, using his low profile and boosted scan range to dodge around his foes popping into sight from time to time to use alpha damage to wittle down heavies or surprise assaults. Its very tense and exciting.

But sacrificing maneuverability to take a couple of hits in a stand-up fight? Doesn't sound very 'Slayer' if your using a scout suitGǪ

To OP: I understand where you are coming from. And it is important to keep in perspective the 'alternative' uses for slots. But the reality is the Proto Gal suit has always had the ability to run load 4 proto plates and run around faster then an assault ... I used to do it all the time, but I still was chewed up by assaults.

The bottom line is that CCP is defining clear paths for us to take advantage of. If ppl use the suit for other edge case scenarios thats fine, but specing a scout suit to play as a second rate assault will always be just that ... a second rate fit.

So I ran some quick and rough numbers with the Gallente scout because I think it is going to be the most OP scout...

I calculated assuming Level 5 for electronics and engineering, as well as for shield extenders, armor plates, armor reps. Level 5 for shield and armor as well (I am not absolutely sure how the armor and shield bonuses are calculated with regard to including mods or before mods I assumed before modules so as to be on the low end rather than possible high end).

I thus present to you the Gallente slayer scout:

High modules: 1 Complex shield extender, 1 complex damage mod

Low modules: 3 enhanced armor plates, 1 complex armor repairer

M1 locus grenade

Proto scrambler rifle (because it has highest fitting requirements)

Proto assault SMG (fairly high fitting requirements)

Equipment: 2 compact nanohives

Speed: 500 (sorry not sure how to convert that)

Total shields: 158 HP
Total armor: 575 HP

So what we have is a slayer with just a little less HP than an assault, but it is faster and has a smaller hitbox and profile. Can armor repair at 8 HP/sec but can also carry 2 compact hives to self resupply or rep even faster. Not to mention its nice bonus to scanning especially if you have your own passive scan skills increased.

I did not even account for CPU reductions due to weapon skills or PG reductions elsewhere so I'm sure it can be fit better than this even. I'm a ******* when it comes to making fittings so I'm sure someone else can and will fit it much better than this even.

So I ran some quick and rough numbers with the Gallente scout because I think it is going to be the most OP scout...

I calculated assuming Level 5 for electronics and engineering, as well as for shield extenders, armor plates, armor reps. Level 5 for shield and armor as well (I am not absolutely sure how the armor and shield bonuses are calculated with regard to including mods or before mods I assumed before modules so as to be on the low end rather than possible high end).

I thus present to you the Gallente slayer scout:

High modules: 1 Complex shield extender, 1 complex damage mod

Low modules: 3 enhanced armor plates, 1 complex armor repairer

M1 locus grenade

Proto scrambler rifle (because it has highest fitting requirements)

Proto assault SMG (fairly high fitting requirements)

Equipment: 2 compact nanohives

Speed: 500 (sorry not sure how to convert that)

Total shields: 158 HP
Total armor: 575 HP

So what we have is a slayer with just a little less HP than an assault, but it is faster and has a smaller hitbox and profile. Can armor repair at 8 HP/sec but can also carry 2 compact hives to self resupply or rep even faster. Not to mention its nice bonus to scanning especially if you have your own passive scan skills increased.

I did not even account for CPU reductions due to weapon skills or PG reductions elsewhere so I'm sure it can be fit better than this even. I'm a ******* when it comes to making fittings so I'm sure someone else can and will fit it much better than this even.

Are we taking into account that under the new proposed assault revamp two of them will a HP buff for every plate/extender they fit, one will get a indirect. If to damage from damage modules and all of them will get a built in buff to damage through RoF increase?

My point being, yes you can fit a scout for heavy tank and throw on some proto guns to give it bite, but the assault classes are going to tank and gank better than it by default. I think parity will be achieved between these two classes.

Honestly,you want to talk about the new FOTM post 1.8? Sentinels. RR wielding proto Gallente sentinels with plates, reps, damage mods and passive resistances across the board. Those things are going to be monstrous at high sp investment levels.

CCP must be assuming that all scouts are going to use their 2nd equipment slot for the new cloaking device which is obviously going to have a beastly fitting requirement in order to keep it for the scouts only. This will not happen many people will forgo the cloaking device put a couple compact hives in equipment and use all that CPU/PG the scouts will have to make slayers that assault suits won't be able to compete with.

This is so like the CCP assumption that logi's will use their 1HP armor repair/level so they can survive while repping others that it is absolutely hilarious to me. Giving scouts 2 equipment slots and more PG/CPU across the board will make the slayer logi problem seem trivial in comparison.

As someone stated earlier, a suit's bonus is the intended use, not the way a player will use it. Usually, this results in some terribad stuff.

For example: I can have a Megathron (Bonus to Large Blasters Damage & Tracking Speed). I can put Medium Blasters on that Megathron. That's a terrible idea. It might work. But I'm not maximizing the ship's potential, and will sacrifice an entire bonus to have it.

Scouts will be fine.

As someone stated earlier, a suit's bonus is the intended use, not the way a player will use it. Usually, this results in some terribad stuff.

For example: I can have a Megathron (Bonus to Large Blasters Damage & Tracking Speed). I can put Medium Blasters on that Megathron. That's a terrible idea. It might work. But I'm not maximizing the ship's potential, and will sacrifice an entire bonus to have it.

As a Scout, they're going to have a bonus for the Cloaking. This is what's going to happen. People are going to skill into their "Slayer Scout" as you called it, and you know what they're doing? They're giving up a strength in exchange for another strength. And the other strength isn't free. The OTHER strength costs most ISK (4 Complex Plates > 1 Standard Cloak), costs more CPU (4 Complex Plates > 1 Standard Cloak), and costs more SP (Complex Plates > Standard Cloak).

In reality, this entire thing you've built is dumb. I'm sure people going to use the G-Scout WELL, yea, but the downsides outweigh the benefits. They'd be giving up speed, the potential to be invisible, the potential to use better equipment, etc., and all in exchange for the stats of a fully-ADV Gallente Assault suit.

As for your earlier comment about "Why are we crying about the Slayer Logi?", the "Slayers" have MUCH higher CPU/PG, MUCH more slots, and a MUCH more combat-oriented bonus. That's why we're crying about the Slayer Logis.

To everyone reading this and thinking "I can't wait to become a Slayer Scout"... Stop being idiotic. OP's logic is faulty. Realistically, you'd be sacrificing more than you'd be gaining. You'll go 5 into G-Scout, 5 into Armor Plates, 5 into Damage Mods, 5 into Cloaking, 5 in to REs, and 5 into Rail Rifles and you'll suddenly realize that the most useful thing you skilled into was the Rail Rifle, because every other thing suddenly doesn't matter if you got those things to create a role that has not and will not exist.

P.S.: Apparently you weren't here for Beta, OP. The 1.8 Scout is basically the Type-II Scout, but with a Sidearm this time.

/rant over

You may continue drooling to your idea of an OP scout.

That's another thing, by the way, after all the sh*t they've been getting, they deserve to be OP, just for a single patch. I don't think you understand how fast a Scout dies. I've literally been dropped in a single shot before. From a Rail Rifle.

P.S.: Apparently you weren't here for Beta, OP. The 1.8 Scout is basically the Type-II Scout, but with a Sidearm this time.