DUST Search - Assault rifle vs Magsec SMG

Asha Starwind wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

Relax, remember these stats are subject to change and the stat sheets are more so a look into CCP's mind and ideas for the suits - not cemented ideas.

Remember, 1.8 is likely still a month or so away.

I am taking it in slowly I haven't said anything about the 1 second depleted recharge of the Caldari heavy :).

Aside from being a typo, I'd imagine that there would be a lot of Flux grenade QQ without being low, or did it happen to put a damper on your thoughts of fluxing Cal heavies for easy kills?

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The new stats do attempt to fix a lot of problems with drop suits but there are still some problems left like the Gallente mirrorring the Caldari in stats that should not be mirrored. But I just want to get it out there that as long as guns with long range and the same DPS as short range weapons exist the short range weapons will never be good.

Where'd you get the impression that the stats weren't/shouldn't be mirrored when the Medium suits have been all along, also add in that Extenders add less hp than plates do. What?

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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1584	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:47:00 - [1] - Quote The Magsec smg is practically an Assault rifle. It's rof is 666.7 and boasts a damage of 35 and a range equal to that of the Assault rifle. This brings it's DPS to 388 while the Assault rifle has a DPS of 412. Seriously.... what the hell... CCP please boost the DPS of the assault rifle or nerf the DPS of other guns everytime you release a long range weapon it always out classes the short range weapon due to equal DPS but a large range disparity... In other news I might have to go Caldari Assault so I can use the best Short-Long range weapon in my light weapon slot and the best short range gun in my sidearm slot!!
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 215	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:51:00 - [2] - Quote They're already planning on making a lot of tweaks to the weapons, don't get too worked up till you see the patch notes.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 424	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:52:00 - [3] - Quote Theres a rumor saying that the G.ar ROF will change to 850 Once you try "HMG-FAT" you never get back...
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1584	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:53:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: They're already planning on making a lot of tweaks to the weapons, don't get too worked up till you see the patch notes. I only trust CCP when they say they are doing it right now... so many times I have seen something broken going through patch notes or device blogs etc. Then point it out and somebody says it's a WIP don't worry about it and on release day the freaking exact same broken thing comes out ! -ú!/$&$_!&!^$Gé¼$ Might be different with CCP Remnant but I've been here long enough to lose trust :/
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1584	Posted - 2014.01.17 11:57:00 - [5] - Quote Jastad wrote: Theres a rumor saying that the G.ar ROF will change to 850 Should be 900... and a small reload time redox...
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1597	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:02:00 - [6] - Quote Jastad wrote: Theres a rumor saying that the G.ar ROF will change to 850 Didn't they want to increase the TTK? Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1584	Posted - 2014.01.17 12:04:00 - [7] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Jastad wrote: Theres a rumor saying that the G.ar ROF will change to 850 Didn't they want to increase the TTK? This is why I say reduce the DPS of other rifles but if they want to buff the AR might as well be a good buff...
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 466	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:08:00 - [8] - Quote I don't think it can really compete with the AR the std variant has a dps rating of 425 (at least the last time i checked) and the MAG Sec has a dps rating of 388 ONCE it is charged (so 271 DPS the1st second and 388 from the 2nd onwards). What concerns me more is the performance compared to the SMG the base SMg has a DPS rating of 350 and has quite noticeable less range. So whats the point in using it over the MAG Sec?
Aisha Ctarl Pradox One Proficiency V. 2892	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:11:00 - [9] - Quote Relax, remember these stats are subject to change and the stat sheets are more so a look into CCP's mind and ideas for the suits - not cemented ideas. Remember, 1.8 is likely still a month or so away. Aisha Ctarl for CPM1
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1004	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:16:00 - [10] - Quote What does the DPS numbers matter if the SMG flails wildly as you're shooting?

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1584	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:17:00 - [11] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Relax, remember these stats are subject to change and the stat sheets are more so a look into CCP's mind and ideas for the suits - not cemented ideas. Remember, 1.8 is likely still a month or so away. I am taking it in slowly I haven't said anything about the 1 second depleted recharge of the Caldari heavy :). The new stats do attempt to fix a lot of problems with drop suits but there are still some problems left like the Gallente mirrorring the Caldari in stats that should not be mirrored. But I just want to get it out there that as long as guns with long range and the same DPS as short range weapons exist the short range weapons will never be good.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 189	Posted - 2014.01.17 13:23:00 - [12] - Quote They've already mentioned they are re-working TTK to increase it, see the proposed suit bonuses (esp. Med), as well as damage mods, reduced damage on guns, and other modules. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1714234#post1714234 Calm your tit.ties til we get the patch notes and see how everything will fit together. We are looking at pieces of the puzzle only right now.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 163	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:43:00 - [13] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Relax, remember these stats are subject to change and the stat sheets are more so a look into CCP's mind and ideas for the suits - not cemented ideas. Remember, 1.8 is likely still a month or so away. I am taking it in slowly I haven't said anything about the 1 second depleted recharge of the Caldari heavy :). I'd imagine that there would be a lot of Flux grenade QQ without it, or did it happen to put a damper on your thoughts of fluxing Cal heavies for easy kills? Quote: The new stats do attempt to fix a lot of problems with drop suits but there are still some problems left like the Gallente mirrorring the Caldari in stats that should not be mirrored. But I just want to get it out there that as long as guns with long range and the same DPS as short range weapons exist the short range weapons will never be good. Where'd you get the impression that the stats weren't/shouldn't be mirrored when the Medium suits have been all along, also add in that Extenders add less hp than plates do.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2606	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:46:00 - [14] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Jastad wrote: Theres a rumor saying that the G.ar ROF will change to 850 Didn't they want to increase the TTK? Not really. They seems to be more concerned with TTK going too far the other way and bringing back the return of strafing, reloading, strafing some more, finally someone dies due to reinforcements arriving or running out of ammo. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 163	Posted - 2014.01.17 16:16:00 - [15] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Relax, remember these stats are subject to change and the stat sheets are more so a look into CCP's mind and ideas for the suits - not cemented ideas. Remember, 1.8 is likely still a month or so away. I am taking it in slowly I haven't said anything about the 1 second depleted recharge of the Caldari heavy :). Aside from being a typo, I'd imagine that there would be a lot of Flux grenade QQ without being low, or did it happen to put a damper on your thoughts of fluxing Cal heavies for easy kills? Quote: The new stats do attempt to fix a lot of problems with drop suits but there are still some problems left like the Gallente mirrorring the Caldari in stats that should not be mirrored. But I just want to get it out there that as long as guns with long range and the same DPS as short range weapons exist the short range weapons will never be good. Where'd you get the impression that the stats weren't/shouldn't be mirrored when the Medium suits have been all along, also add in that Extenders add less hp than plates do.


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