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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:30:00 -
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After I made a thread to receive input on Scout bonuses and I think the majority of discussion is done, i will present to you a compilation of my efforts in determining the communities opinions on Scout bonuses, and possible alternatives
Role bonus: Currently 10% reduction to Cpu and Pg usage of cloaks per level
Proposed: Keep the 5% profile dampening bonus, increase the bonus, and add it on in addition to profile dampening
C bonus- Currently: 5% reduction to cloak drain per level
Suggested: +5% to enemy scan precision (affects active scanners) to enemies within dropsuit scan radius, may keep cloaking bonus
G bonus- Currently: 5% to profile dampening, 5% to scan radius
Suggested: 10% to scan radius, 5% to scan precision per level
M bonus: Currently: 5% damage to nova knives
Suggested: 3% bonus to movement/sprint speed, and 5% back/sides damage bonus or 5% hacking speed (preferably the bonus to damage dealt from behind/side, so the nova knife remains relevant, but also opens up versatility) Also, for any questions about this bonus, it only applies within under 10 or 15 meters from the target.
A bonus: Currently: 5% to cloak cooldown reduction speed per level
Suggested: 10% bonus to maximum stamina/ stamina regeneration rate, may keep cloaking bonus.
In addition to these listed bonus, scouts need an extra equipment slot at all tiers, in order to become more resourceful and useful to their team, as well as 30 cpu and possibly 8 pg in order to account for this slot increase. In addition, scouts should have their base db lowered to 40, someone else I saw did a lot of math to show why this is the best, conservative number for base db, but i forget where it was. In addition, a bonus to stamina and possibly speed for scouts is a general consensus
If you have any questions why these are my final candidates for bonuses, feel free to ask! 
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
120
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:37:00 -
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In terms of slot count (ie: no extra equipment slot), would the Basic Light Frame remain in its current state?
I was going to use that Installation...
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:40:00 -
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Samuel Zelik wrote:In terms of slot count (ie: no extra equipment slot), would the Basic Light Frame remain in its current state?
Good question
I personally think that the light frame should not receive any of these bonuses other than the db improvement, and stamina and possibly speed bonus. So to answer your question, no. But I may change this view with sufficient community feedback
Thanks for asking!
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
163
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:53:00 -
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Holy, OP Minja Batman!
If didn't like the visual look of that gimp suit, I'd be all over it. |
Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
687
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:59:00 -
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I don't really like the idea of a hacking speed bonus on any suit. It really does not fit with any Race's specialty other than there was a precedent for it because it us currently on the Min-Logi. I also think that your Minmatar bonus should be applied to Biotics Upgrades Modules (Melee, Sprint, and Stamina) because sprint and movement are things that represents all scouts and not just the Minmatar.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:01:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Holy, OP Minja Batman!
If didn't like the visual look of that gimp suit, I'd be all over it.
The assassination bonus may not be as OP as you think, as 10 meters is not a very large distance, and this only is an increase in their previous nova knifing role to make them more viable
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:03:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:I don't really like the idea of a hacking speed bonus on any suit. It really does not fit with any Race's specialty other than there was a precedent for it because it us currently on the Min-Logi. I also think that your Minmatar bonus should be applied to Biotics Upgrades Modules (Melee, Sprint, and Stamina) because sprint and movement are things that represents all scouts and not just the Minmatar.
So do you agree with the 3% bonus to sprint and movement speed?
just for the record, this boost would bring a min scout with double plex kincats up to 11.96 m/s
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Samuel Zelik
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
120
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:08:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Samuel Zelik wrote:In terms of slot count (ie: no extra equipment slot), would the Basic Light Frame remain in its current state? Good question I personally think that the light frame should not receive any of these bonuses other than the db improvement, and stamina and possibly speed bonus. So to answer your question, no. But I may change this view with sufficient community feedback Thanks for asking!
I'm inclined to agree more with this idea, rather than giving the Basics the same slot layout. If the Scouts get an extra Equipment slot and the Basics remain at one, I'd be ok with the Pilots getting an Equipment slot.
Having the Basic Frames as they are (could use an ever so slight CPU/PG boost in addition to what you listed, but not to the extent Scouts should receive) would be a good way to distinguish it as a general suit rather than a specialized suit.
I was going to use that Installation...
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:10:00 -
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Samuel Zelik wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Samuel Zelik wrote:In terms of slot count (ie: no extra equipment slot), would the Basic Light Frame remain in its current state? Good question I personally think that the light frame should not receive any of these bonuses other than the db improvement, and stamina and possibly speed bonus. So to answer your question, no. But I may change this view with sufficient community feedback Thanks for asking! I'm inclined to agree more with this idea, rather than giving the Basics the same slot layout. If the Scouts get an extra Equipment slot and the Basics remain at one, I'd be ok with the Pilots getting an Equipment slot. Having the Basic Frames as they are (could use an ever so slight CPU/PG boost in addition to what you listed, but not to the extent Scouts should receive) would be a good way to distinguish it as a general suit rather than a specialized suit.
Agreed, and yes, all light frames should receive a marginal increase in cpu and pg, but especially scouts if they have an extra equipment slot. This also prevents nyain san or similar corps from spamming proto gallente light frames with active scanners and cloaks, reducing possible FoTM usage, an idea i think this game wants to steer clear of
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1599
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:28:00 -
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I just want to know if we'll get are 25% do added to are base stats because its looking like the gal scout will be the best.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:33:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:I just want to know if we'll get are 25% do added to are base stats because its looking like the gal scout will be the best.
A 25% bonus would be nice, but it doesnt really solve the disparity between the different races. Instead of thinking in terms of one race being better than the other, think of the scout class as a whole, then think about the different roles and characteristics scouts should have. From there, the different races should all be better than another at a specific role or characteristic, but one should never become better in every way than the others, as is currently the case with the gallente scout. My racial bonuses were not ways to overpower the scout class, but rather methods of balancing the roles of different scouts against eachother, and then against other dropsuits. I hope that answered your query
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Aizen Intiki
Hell's Gate Inc
League of Infamy
691
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:40:00 -
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Why can't we have two skills? Also, I'd say remove the Calari skill, but jammers aren't here yet. Still needs changing however, as that is far more powerful than Gallente's.
"Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 02:50:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Why can't we have two skills? Also, I'd say remove the Calari skill, but jammers aren't here yet. Still needs changing however, as that is far more powerful than Gallente's.
I actually disagree with that, as the caldaris bonus cannot be enhanced with modules to increase its effectiveness, but rather its range. This would turn them into the gallente logistics and gallente scouts counter, as they would be nigh unscannable within their scan radius, which also makes sense lore-wise, as the caldari and gallente are enemies, and thus are opposites of eachother (armor vs shield, close range vs long range, scanning vs jamming, etc) I dont think that it is overpowered, as it only nullifies the gallente scout bonus, as well as the logistics active scanner bonus, and it only works within the passive scan range.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:11:00 -
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Also, as a reference for anyone interested in where I got the feedback, look no further
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134598&find=unread
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Scout Registry
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:17:00 -
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You may want to check in with the Minmatar Scouts before suggesting changes to their NK bonuses. Quite a few of them skilled into the suit for this exact reason.
As for Gallente bonuses, Scan Range is great, but I personally don't find Scan Precision to be particularly helpful.
(29M SP GalScout)
PS: Thanks for thinking of us. o7
scouts say no to quid pro quo
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:23:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:You may want to check in with the Minmatar Scouts before suggesting changes to their NK bonuses. Quite a few of them skilled into the suit for this exact reason.
As for Gallente bonuses, Scan Range is great, but I personally don't find Scan Precision to be particularly helpful.
(29M SP GalScout)
PS: Thanks for thinking of us. o7
Just for the record, i run a minmitar scout either with knives only, but recently have been getting used to the shotgun. The damage bonus to behind and sides is where i get 99% of my knife kills, unless i seriously screw up my ambush. Therefore, it keeps the nova knife damage bonus, but expands its viablility to other CQC weapons as well, so that the minmitar suit is not locked into using one of the most specialized weapons in the game. knifers win, shotgunners win, everybodies happy
o7
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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KING CHECKMATE
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
3665
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:26:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:After I made a thread to receive input on Scout bonuses and I think the majority of discussion is done, i will present to you a compilation of my efforts in determining the communities opinions on Scout bonuses, and possible alternatives Role bonus: Currently 10% reduction to Cpu and Pg usage of cloaks per level Proposed: Keep the 5% profile dampening bonus, increase the bonus, and add it on in addition to profile dampening C bonus- Currently: 5% reduction to cloak drain per level Suggested: +5% to enemy scan precision (affects active scanners) to enemies within dropsuit scan radius, may keep cloaking bonus G bonus- Currently: 5% to profile dampening, 5% to scan radius Suggested: 10% to scan radius, 5% to scan precision per level M bonus: Currently: 5% damage to nova knives Suggested: 3% bonus to movement/sprint speed, and 5% back/sides damage bonus or 5% hacking speed (preferably the bonus to damage dealt from behind/side, so the nova knife remains relevant, but also opens up versatility) Also, for any questions about this bonus, it only applies within under 10 or 15 meters from the target. A bonus: Currently: 5% to cloak cooldown reduction speed per level Suggested: 10% bonus to maximum stamina/ stamina regeneration rate, may keep cloaking bonus. In addition to these listed bonus, scouts need an extra equipment slot at all tiers, in order to become more resourceful and useful to their team, as well as 30 cpu and possibly 8 pg in order to account for this slot increase. In addition, scouts should have their base db lowered to 40, someone else I saw did a lot of math to show why this is the best, conservative number for base db, but i forget where it was. In addition, a bonus to stamina and possibly speed for scouts is a general consensus If you have any questions why these are my final candidates for bonuses, feel free to ask!
+1
A.Scouts need to keep that Cooldown bonus, I like ...
GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:29:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:After I made a thread to receive input on Scout bonuses and I think the majority of discussion is done, i will present to you a compilation of my efforts in determining the communities opinions on Scout bonuses, and possible alternatives Role bonus: Currently 10% reduction to Cpu and Pg usage of cloaks per level Proposed: Keep the 5% profile dampening bonus, increase the bonus, and add it on in addition to profile dampening C bonus- Currently: 5% reduction to cloak drain per level Suggested: +5% to enemy scan precision (affects active scanners) to enemies within dropsuit scan radius, may keep cloaking bonus G bonus- Currently: 5% to profile dampening, 5% to scan radius Suggested: 10% to scan radius, 5% to scan precision per level M bonus: Currently: 5% damage to nova knives Suggested: 3% bonus to movement/sprint speed, and 5% back/sides damage bonus or 5% hacking speed (preferably the bonus to damage dealt from behind/side, so the nova knife remains relevant, but also opens up versatility) Also, for any questions about this bonus, it only applies within under 10 or 15 meters from the target. A bonus: Currently: 5% to cloak cooldown reduction speed per level Suggested: 10% bonus to maximum stamina/ stamina regeneration rate, may keep cloaking bonus. In addition to these listed bonus, scouts need an extra equipment slot at all tiers, in order to become more resourceful and useful to their team, as well as 30 cpu and possibly 8 pg in order to account for this slot increase. In addition, scouts should have their base db lowered to 40, someone else I saw did a lot of math to show why this is the best, conservative number for base db, but i forget where it was. In addition, a bonus to stamina and possibly speed for scouts is a general consensus If you have any questions why these are my final candidates for bonuses, feel free to ask! +1 A.Scouts need to keep that Cooldown bonus, I like ...
I personally think these bonuses are exactly what we as a scout community need, so feel free to bump for others to reply to, hopefully including CCP and the CPM, and who knows. Maybe it will become a reality!
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:33:00 -
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Also something I forgot to mention in the OP is a massive reduction to scout fall damage, as this only makes sense that the lightest suit in the game takes less damage than other heavier suits with massive amounts of wieght from armor
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
830
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:41:00 -
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I strongly disagree with proposal for min.
All the NK minjas are asking - wtf am I supposed to do with the new bonuses? I get most NK kill to the enemy face not chasing after them and killing them in the back.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:50:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:I strongly disagree with proposal for min.
All the NK minjas are asking - wtf am I supposed to do with the new bonuses? I get most NK kill to the enemy face not chasing after them and killing them in the back.
If you could tell me any of the names of these minja's id appreciate it. When i run nova knives, I find that nearly 100% of my kills are from the sides or back. Not the direct back usually, but with an implementation of sprinting charge with knives, I feel that this bonus would be more useful and viable overall.
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.17 04:03:00 -
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Just a disclaimer for any who may read this thread---I use minmitar scout, as well as gallente occasionaly, and i run shotguns or nova knives. When I do, i rarely, if ever run with a sidearm, so if you think i have any sort of bias, please inform me
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
Dragon-Empire
661
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Posted - 2014.01.17 12:10:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Just a disclaimer for any who may read this thread---I use minmitar scout, as well as gallente occasionaly, and i run shotguns or nova knives. When I do, i rarely, if ever run with a sidearm, so if you think i have any sort of bias, please inform me
Rarely run sidearms? lol, respect.
Although I'm strictly a G-Scout (for now) when I do bring out meh blades I try for a back stab using the air charge tactic. TBH though, even though I'm gallente and have no NK pro I can still be very dangerous and enjoy messing around with the enemy from time to time.
Scout Tactician
Dance puppets, DANCE!
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
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Posted - 2014.01.19 01:31:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Just a disclaimer for any who may read this thread---I use minmitar scout, as well as gallente occasionaly, and i run shotguns or nova knives. When I do, i rarely, if ever run with a sidearm, so if you think i have any sort of bias, please inform me Rarely run sidearms? lol, respect. Although I'm strictly a G-Scout (for now) when I do bring out meh blades I try for a back stab using the air charge tactic. TBH though, even though I'm gallente and have no NK pro I can still be very dangerous and enjoy messing around with the enemy from time to time.
Yeah they're fun, even though the most niche weapon in the game
Yes, I did kill Archduke Ferdinand. I used my nova knives.
https://dust514.com/recruit/k3vMnb/
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