DUST Search - why aren't the jove in dust?

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

I can add one little revelation to that:

There was a nifty (though graphically old) online series on youtube called "Clear Skies". If your homeland is England, you'll watch it and associate it with old tv shows like Blakes 7, and especially Red Dwarf.
...If you're not English, you may find the Clear Skies episodes kind of a dated yawn Ugh

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But it touched on the Jovians from an EVE capsuleer perspective, and implied the most USEFUL thing the Jovians left us was (nano-type?) module technology that, if harnessed responsibly, can turn a ship's propulsion into something awesome.

Coincidentally, Dust DID have (no longer has) ONE vehicle module you could purchase that was JOVIAN, and improved your vehicle's propulsion better than anything else the game had to offer. Needed MAX skill levels to fit it and work it, but CHRIST it was good to me!

Prior to Patch 1.7, I got wise and purchased 12 of these sweeties for Logi vehicle use. ZERO cooldown periods, and FULLY PASSIVE, not active. Pirate

They DEFY and are COMPLETELY EXCUDED from the new duration and stacking limitations that CCP implemented in 1.7, which, for any player who is lucky to have one, gives you the kind of mobility that the devs are trying to make illegal in our gameplay. To my knowledge, this was the ONLY piece of Jovian stuff obtainable in Dust since the May release.

....I don't plan to take my "jovians" out of the garage again until we have Logistical vehicles restored, with full blown Planetary Conquest and full open interaction with EVE Online players.
The driver who stacks two or three of this Jovian module to her DS or HAV, could become,..."un-target-able" in the enemy crosshairs....... Shocked

A super epitaph to Jovian lore...

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cranium79 ZionTCD Public Disorder. 85	Posted - 2014.01.16 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust?
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2277	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:01:00 - [2] - Quote The Jove are dead, maybe. Hail Satan
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1044	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:03:00 - [3] - Quote Jove aren't in EVE either for you to play. They stay in their own space. That space is off limits in EVE. It is where the developers test stuff. The developers are supposed to be the Jove. They gave us, the players the stuff. Used to be the devs had Jove portraits. They changed it to regular racial portraits. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5791	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:09:00 - [4] - Quote cranium79 wrote: i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust? The Jove are dead, long dead or worse if Kuvakei Sansha had anything to say about that. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1102	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:09:00 - [5] - Quote cranium79 wrote: i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust? the jove are not a playable race in eve. they've also modified themselves too far to reproduce, so they're at the end of their line.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12160	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote Jove are likely dead nobody seen a live one in years. We're all that is left of them. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 115	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:13:00 - [7] - Quote Lore wise, it'd because they're slowly dieing out; the genetic manipulation and implants that make our mercs immortal is a mere fraction of the manipulation the Jove have subjected themselves to, but over the millennia it's only weakened them. They are a dieing race, and do not mix with the "lesser" empires. The technology available to them is also near- God like in its potency, and they're genuinely worried about what would happen if anyone else got a hold of even the smallest portion of it. Dedicated Commando. So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 623	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:37:00 - [8] - Quote We can't get all our racial variants of suits, weapons, and vehicles for the four races we have now, could you imagine if CCP had five races. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 541	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:46:00 - [9] - Quote cranium79 wrote: i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust? Jove left the EVE Universe to their own region of space (currently cut off from the other 4 empires). There is no way to get to their systems in space and for this reason they have been (as the lore states) left out of the general happenings of EVE. Likewise, they would be left out of DUST as well. And for all intents and purposes they will most likely never be brought into EVE/DUST, they are just game lore. Newb
Meeko Fent State Patriots 1734	Posted - 2014.01.16 20:50:00 - [10] - Quote They're REALLY Rare to find. Only the Devs can play as them in EVE. Maybe the Devs are Jove in DUST too. The world may never know. DUST is a half decent game. Be happy its free.

CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 113	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:44:00 - [11] - Quote I can add one little revelation to that: There was a nifty (though graphically old) online series on youtube called "Clear Skies". If your homeland is England, you'll watch it and associate it with old tv shows like Blakes 7, and especially Red Dwarf. ...If you're not English, you may find the Clear Skies episodes kind of a dated yawn. But it touched on the Jovians from an EVE capsuleer perspective, and implied the most USEFUL thing the Jovians left us was (nano-type?) module technology that, if harnessed responsibly, can turn a ship's propulsion into something awesome. Coincidentally, Dust DID have (no longer has) ONE vehicle module you could purchase that was JOVIAN, and improved your vehicle's propulsion better than anything else the game had to offer. Needed MAX skill levels to fit it and work it, but CHRIST it was good to me! Prior to Patch 1.7, I got wise and purchased 12 of these sweeties for Logi vehicle use. ZERO cooldown periods, and UNLIMITED activation. They DEFY and are COMPLETELY EXCUDED from the new duration and stacking limitations that CCP implemented in 1.7, which, for any player who is lucky to have one, gives you the kind of mobility that the devs are trying to make illegal in our gameplay. To my knowledge, this is the ONLY piece of Jovian stuff obtainable in Dust since the May release. ....I don't plan to take my "jovians" out of the garage again until we have Logistical vehicles restored, with full blown Planetary Conquest and full open interaction with EVE Online players. The driver who stacks two or three of this Jovian module to her DS or HAV, could become,..."un-target-able" in the enemy crosshairs....... A super epitaph to Jovian lore...
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5794	Posted - 2014.01.16 21:53:00 - [12] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Lore wise, it'd because they're slowly dieing out; the genetic manipulation and implants that make our mercs immortal is a mere fraction of the manipulation the Jove have subjected themselves to, but over the millennia it's only weakened them. They are a dieing race, and do not mix with the "lesser" empires. The technology available to them is also near- God like in its potency, and they're genuinely worried about what would happen if anyone else got a hold of even the smallest portion of it. So think what would happen if an arrogance man with a God complex like Kuvakei Sansha and his host of mindless drone like True Slaves got a hold of even a portion of that tech..... If you look into the lore you will find that capsuleers have actually sent probes through Sansha's Nation generated wormholes...the results of that were terrifying. What was reported was that a massive Nation fleet was seen blockading what was understood to be a Jovian station, indicating that the Nation was possibly able to access Jovian space. Now if you consider that Nation military technology is already incredibly advanced, and somehow this mad man can open wormholes at will to systems at will.....what could happen if the Nation did capture and destroy the Jove? Would anyone be safe? "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 141	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:19:00 - [13] - Quote Not to start any unfounded rumors but... During fanfest CCP said they would be opening a 'stargate' to worlds unknown. (soon) The Jove may appear on the other side of this gate en masse,and threaten all of new eden,forcing all factions to cooperate or be wiped out. Why? Beads.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1581	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:23:00 - [14] - Quote The jove drop suit would have twice the HP as a heavy, the speed of a minmatar scout wielding two hmgs that shoot forge gun shots and has a permanent active scanner that scans at 3000 km on a 360 range.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5794	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:27:00 - [15] - Quote Meee One wrote: Not to start any unfounded rumors but... During fanfest CCP said they would be opening a 'stargate' to worlds unknown. (soon) The Jove may appear on the other side of this gate en masse,and threaten all of new eden,forcing all factions to cooperate or be wiped out. Doubt it entirely. If CCP was going to alter the cluster so spectacularly it is more likely to be the Nation you see on the other side of that gate. "My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity."
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 141	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:32:00 - [16] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The jove drop suit would have twice the HP as a heavy, the speed of a minmatar scout wielding two hmgs that shoot forge gun shots and has a permanent active scanner that scans at 3000 km on a 360 range. Not a problem,current HAVs could counter them.:p Why? Beads.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1437	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:37:00 - [17] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The jove drop suit would have twice the HP as a heavy, the speed of a minmatar scout wielding two hmgs that shoot forge gun shots and has a permanent active scanner that scans at 3000 km on a 360 range. Don't forget 5 his, 5 lows, 5 equipment slots, and CPU and PG to spare. There actually are a few Jove ships in EVE. The Gnosis comes to mind. I can haz Jove Heavy suit, See See Pee? I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12162	Posted - 2014.01.16 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote Gnosis is NOT JOVIAN it's a Society Ship which are for the most part a bunch of folks that like to live the jove culture but are not jovian themselves. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3637	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:00:00 - [19] - Quote cranium79 wrote: i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust? Im actually a Jove (Youcan tell by my BOLD letters), but shush... GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 160	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:03:00 - [20] - Quote Amen to that ^. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!

Cosgar ParagonX 9107	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:08:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: The jove drop suit would have twice the HP as a heavy, the speed of a minmatar scout wielding two hmgs that shoot forge gun shots and has a permanent active scanner that scans at 3000 km on a 360 range. All with flowing tentacles and a sleek organic metal motif. I bet there's some concept art and renderings lying around at the Reykjavik office. Might look something like this. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1437	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:10:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Gnosis is NOT JOVIAN it's a Society Ship which are for the most part a bunch of folks that like to live the jove culture but are not jovian themselves. What!? FALSE ADVERTISEMENT, I'M CALLING MY SPACESHIPS LAWYER! By the time I'm through, they'll be the Society of Compensatory Damages... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2310	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:18:00 - [23] - Quote cranium79 wrote: i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust? Lore: the Jove is a race that has maintained its individuality and is a very powerful force; all attempts to conquer them have failed In game: Jove is unplayable race Behind the scenes truth: Jove is a fancy name in game name for CCP. Jove space is used by CCP to develop the game. In Eve, it is rumored that you were once able to get to Jove space but that is no longer possible. What will be your legacy? Will you rise, or will you fall?
mollerz Minja Scouts 1917	Posted - 2014.01.16 23:20:00 - [24] - Quote Minjas have an ancient trace of Jove in them. Some minmatar hottie great great great great great grandma of mine was pretty prolific throughout the galaxy. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1051	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:32:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Jove aren't in EVE either for you to play. They stay in their own space. That space is off limits in EVE. It is where the developers test stuff. The developers are supposed to be the Jove. They gave us, the players the stuff. Used to be the devs had Jove portraits. They changed it to regular racial portraits. Oh, and another important thing from a business standpoint GÇö the Jove are also an ace in the hole. When CCP needs a kickass kickstart for the game they can unleash the Jove in all their glory. It's called not putting all your eggs in one basket. CCP is a long way off from having to play that hand. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1052	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:39:00 - [26] - Quote An interesting thing that has been found among rare, hidden information deep within the annals (I said annals) of Ammar knowledge is the fact that Jove tech actually takes on the characteristics of an ancient Earth trend in design. The turd ship designs are merely the abandoned prototype crap the Jove pawned off on the rest of New Eden to scare us. The following is a rare glimpse of true Jove tech. Imagine hundreds of these coming at you when the Jove unleash hell: THE HORROR OF TRUE JOVE TECH. LOOK UPON IT AND DESPAIR! Many Bothans died to bring us this information. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Kharga Lum Arcana Imperii Ltd. 238	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:40:00 - [27] - Quote A few years ago a Jove fleet entered 0.0 space along their boarder as part of some "diplomacy" event. Players amassed a huge fleet and exterminated them in the hopes of sweet loot. No Jovian loot. That was the last anyone has seen/heard from them.
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3589	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:41:00 - [28] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Jove aren't in EVE either for you to play. They stay in their own space. That space is off limits in EVE. It is where the developers test stuff. The developers are supposed to be the Jove. They gave us, the players the stuff. Used to be the devs had Jove portraits. They changed it to regular racial portraits. Closed beta was in Jove space, I believe. For the longest time, all the fighting was on ERPGP-1 We used to have a time machine
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 523	Posted - 2014.01.17 02:52:00 - [29] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Lore wise, it'd because they're slowly dieing out; the genetic manipulation and implants that make our mercs immortal is a mere fraction of the manipulation the Jove have subjected themselves to, but over the millennia it's only weakened them. They are a dieing race, and do not mix with the "lesser" empires. The technology available to them is also near- God like in its potency, and they're genuinely worried about what would happen if anyone else got a hold of even the smallest portion of it. Their tech was great but wasnt near god like, the Amarr gave them a hell of a fight. Also it wasnt that long ago that one of the Jove was seen in Caldari space. Think that event was like 5 or 6 years ago?
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 692	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:06:00 - [30] - Quote Even if they weren't MIA/dead, they wouldn't be in DUST simply because fi they were, they would be OP. Think of a light frame carrying around 2 small turrets, 3 large grenade slots, 5 eq. slots, and a 10/10 module slot layout, runs as fast as a LAVwith a afterburner on (has a jetpack premade into it so it can fly faster), has a precision and profile of .1, scan range of 100 meters base, and near infinite stamina. Nobody would use anything else, and just use the Jove suits and vehicles. and therefore this wouldn't be dust anymore. It would be Jove 514, and we would all be Jovians. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^

Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 60	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:13:00 - [31] - Quote Ccp should have an event and give a few people who win the ability to make a Jove character on dust/eve
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo 2173	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:14:00 - [32] - Quote We'd all be dead lol. Level 2 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 692	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:17:00 - [33] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Ccp should have an event and give a few people who win the ability to make a Jove character on dust/eve Hell no. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1055	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:23:00 - [34] - Quote Ladies and gentlemen, the JOVE! Yeah, I think they are actually pretty dead now in a matter of speaking. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 523	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:28:00 - [35] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Ladies and gentlemen, the JOVE! Yeah, I think they are actually pretty dead now in a matter of speaking. lulz these mofos aint dead, they do a tour every 5 god damn minutes, bank billions of isk a year and still get young gallente chicks to ride their old rusty poles.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 277	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:33:00 - [36] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: cranium79 wrote: i don't play eve, but i've read there are 5 races. why aren't the jove included in dust? Im actually a Jove (Youcan tell by my BOLD letters), but shush... Mee too. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. [Q] <-- Drink Moar Quafe
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1055	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:34:00 - [37] - Quote Here's a pic of a Jove. THIS Note the sexy ****** chic. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
akira 1999 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 7	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:45:00 - [38] - Quote the fate of the jove is known.. they left the known galaxy of new eden and retreaded into their 3 systems that have been locked out from eve pod pilot access for many years. the alliance tournaments are held in jove space as a necessity to prevent other players from ganking all those shiny ships. the jove are the ones that gave all the races the pod technology in eve their weakest ships can one shot most ships that are twice or 3 times their size, in eve chronicles it has been mentioned what happend to the amarr empire when they tried to attack the jove. one jove mothership decimated the amarr fleet at ranges that eve pilots would kill to be able to fire at. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Battle_of_Vak'Atioth evelopidia on that battle. as of now the jove are purely a lore race with no known contact with eve, though with the current plans for eve that may change. the last main info from eve devs is that in time eve pilots will be able to build their own stargates and will be able to access new space.. be that static links into wormhole space (sleepers.. as old as or even older then the jove), jove space itself or into whole new galaxies we don't know of yet.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 526	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:52:00 - [39] - Quote tbf with a maximum range of 249km the jove musta been haxing.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1219	Posted - 2014.01.17 03:53:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The Jove are dead, long dead or worse if Kuvakei Sansha had anything to say about that. Someone has a cru-ush! "TRUE AND SANSHA, SITTING IN A TREE..." PRO tanker and proud.

Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 602	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:00:00 - [41] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: I can add one little revelation to that: There was a nifty (though graphically old) online series on youtube called "Clear Skies". If your homeland is England, you'll watch it and associate it with old tv shows like Blakes 7, and especially Red Dwarf. ...If you're not English, you may find the Clear Skies episodes kind of a dated yawn. But it touched on the Jovians from an EVE capsuleer perspective, and implied the most USEFUL thing the Jovians left us was (nano-type?) module technology that, if harnessed responsibly, can turn a ship's propulsion into something awesome. Coincidentally, Dust DID have (no longer has) ONE vehicle module you could purchase that was JOVIAN, and improved your vehicle's propulsion better than anything else the game had to offer. Needed MAX skill levels to fit it and work it, but CHRIST it was good to me! Prior to Patch 1.7, I got wise and purchased 12 of these sweeties for Logi vehicle use. ZERO cooldown periods, and FULLY PASSIVE, not active. They DEFY and are COMPLETELY EXCUDED from the new duration and stacking limitations that CCP implemented in 1.7, which, for any player who is lucky to have one, gives you the kind of mobility that the devs are trying to make illegal in our gameplay. To my knowledge, this was the ONLY piece of Jovian stuff obtainable in Dust since the May release. ....I don't plan to take my "jovians" out of the garage again until we have Logistical vehicles restored, with full blown Planetary Conquest and full open interaction with EVE Online players. The driver who stacks two or three of this Jovian module to her DS or HAV, could become,..."un-target-able" in the enemy crosshairs....... A super epitaph to Jovian lore... Yeah.. I had Jovian overdrives for my Dropship back in chromosome lol. They didn't actually do that much for my dropship's propulsion, but the afterburner surely made it fly 400 mph in whatever direction it wanted. But that was the glitchy afterburner doing that, not the jovian overdrive, trust me. Honestly, it won't make your vehicle go god-like speeds, all overdrives are passive low modules that don't need to be activated. Sorry to ruin your excitement, but they are just a little bit better than complex overdrives.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12170	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:15:00 - [42] - Quote There was an event though where a jovian admiral went on a rampage and it took 200 capsuleers to kill him. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Serimos Haeraven The Exemplars Top Men. 603	Posted - 2014.01.17 04:19:00 - [43] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There was an event though where a jovian admiral went on a rampage and it took 200 capsuleers to kill him. Only 200? Psh.. in EVE terms that's not a lot of people at all :P
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12178	Posted - 2014.01.17 07:57:00 - [44] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: There was an event though where a jovian admiral went on a rampage and it took 200 capsuleers to kill him. Only 200? Psh.. in EVE terms that's not a lot of people at all :P At the time the largest fleet battles where about 50. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 478	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:11:00 - [45] - Quote Jove motherships inspired the creation of the titan class ships, which are in the 10s of kilometers long. That's why they aren't in Dust. Too much power to be in the hands of a player.
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 145	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:19:00 - [46] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: A jovian suit is unclassed, has 5 highs 5 lows, 1 heavy, 1 light, 1 sidearm, 1 grenade, 5 equipment, stupid amounts of cpu and grid... Challenge accepted. Why? Beads.
Rusty Shallows 816	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:36:00 - [47] - Quote akira 1999 wrote: snip the jove are the ones that gave all the races the pod technology in eve snip After having read the short fiction about the first non-Jovian Capsuleer test my internal conspiracy-o-matic went off. What if the Jove only passed this technology on as an experiment? What if the turnover rate of the Star Gods wasn't fast enough so an Immortal Warrior plan followed? They tinkered with immortality and are paying the price. Yet right next door there's a large population of people, plenty enough for a control group and guinea pigs. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP


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