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Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:57:00 -
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What I find most interesting about the shinobi event is that if they take a scuts sidearm away it could never happen. There are VERY few scouts who are only knife kinda guys. They know who they are and they are all masochists. The rest of us use they from time to time or never. Other then, the reported the mini scout keeping a sidearm, who would actually run only knives for this whole event? I'll admit I would have fun for a bit.... If I'm playing against noobs without tanks.
How about everyone except trihards don a scout and only run knives and let me know how it goes |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:01:00 -
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You get mixed results.
A good build is counter intuitive, more focus on intel than tank.
Its pretty bad most of the time, but when you have a flow moment its awesome. Probably the best experience in dust.
I don't need that K/D anyway.
"We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
2870
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:05:00 -
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I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
280
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:07:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
Well, that's musturd for you... |
Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:21:00 -
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My point exactly. You would have a few doing it still. Most likely in mini suits and that's it. Gal cal am suits would just run crappy assault bpos til the event was done. Not a great event ifthere are only 40 people running scouts |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:52:00 -
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i regret to inform you but in the same thread that removal of sidearms was discussed it was also discussed that the minmatar scout would maintain its sidearm slot if it ever were to happen. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1076
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:00:00 -
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I love nova knives, they're one of my favorite weapons because they're so much fun to use. it's all the glorious rage inducing OHKO of a sniper without any of the cheap tactics.
however they require a certain level of anonymity to really use well, you have to be able to get away with things like running across the road without having everybody drop what they are doing to shoot you. it's possible to simply rely on the fact that melee is an uncommon option in dust and bum rush them while they panic spray but that's unreliable and only really works once.
I wont be taking part in the event because it feels like puppy kicking where I am the puppy, however if my resolve breaks and I que up a match, scouts of the forums, I will be running a caldari med frame with CBr and NKs. if you show me your knives I'll show you mine and we will knife fight. you'll probably win if only because I don't have my proper suit, but I'm happy to let you have some proto suits at my expense. and if I win extra moneys!
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance
282
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:07:00 -
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Know whats even weirder is if 1.8 is right around the coner and everyones expecting a full respec (which would mean they would then also have to refund all our suits and mods) people really wont have long to use these suits before they are refunded. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME
1206
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:18:00 -
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back up until 1.4, I used to run only knives. after that, knives just became less and less viable as a lone weapon due to to hit detection fixes, aim assist, and reductions to TTK.
afterwards I kind of put down the knives for a bit. I recently picked them back up (about a month and a half ago) and I can proudly say that I've still got it!
the only thing is that you can't really run them solo effectively anymore. you need some other type of weapon to go with them. this is because if an enemy sees you have knives, they will generally backpedal far out of your distance, and nowadays when you die in 1/4 of a second, you need to be able to fight back somehow. another problem is the sprinting bug. if this happens and you only have knives, then you can kiss whatever suit your wearing goodbye, because it's almost guaranteed you will die.
all in all, you wont be seeing many scouts who decide to use only knives very high on the leaderboard. this isn't to say it won't happen, though, as I recently went 25/0 with only knives. but that was one match...out of 7 that I used only knives and the other 6 I did decent, but could've done much better if I had another weapon.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
504
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:49:00 -
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I run only knife fits....a knife is a terrible sidearm choice, you are better off with anything other than knives for a sidearm. I think you are better off going "full knifer" or not even trying. Its a situational weapon and the only way to improve your knife game is to get in the zone of using them. Its your only weapon, attack when you know you can win the engagement.
Knife only practice last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOU
Better start running medium frames....IIIIIII seee you.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:40:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:I run only knife fits....a knife is a terrible sidearm choice, you are better off with anything other than knives for a sidearm. I think you are better off going "full knifer" or not even trying. Its a situational weapon and the only way to improve your knife game is to get in the zone of using them. Its your only weapon, attack when you know you can win the engagement. Knife only practice last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOUBetter start running medium frames....IIIIIII seee you. knifes are a terrible side arm choice maybe flaylock aside it's the worst.
[warning, fitting theory ahead] carrying a primary has it benefits and a number weapons synergize really well with NKs. nova knives are a high alpha choice extremely low range they have the ability to put down reds before they can fight back. pairing NKs with a high dps choice with good range like an smg, combat rifle, blaster rifle, or to a far lesser extent rail rifle can be a really deadly combo. using the dps option for normal encounters but alpha tackling unaware enemies (enemies hacking point, snipers, ect) before they can fight back. the mass drive isn't a terrible option either it has a nice medium short range optimal and tight areas that don't cater to the MD often do cater to NKs but the smg/flux combo offers way better synergy in that situation.
the rail rifle, scrambler rifle or lazer rifle don't combo with NKs because they're a little too long range and leaves you really lacking for a good medium short range option. shotguns aren't a great option either because any situation the NKs would be useful the shotty is really the right tool for the job.
the NK CBr scout combo has awesome synergy and is one of my favorite fits to run, the CBr offers great medium short range fire power for run of the mill engagements and situationally the NKs can get rid of enemies before they have time to respond.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
738
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:48:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:the mass drive isn't a terrible option either it has a nice medium short range optimal and tight areas that don't cater to the MD often do cater to NKs but the smg/flux combo offers way better synergy in that situation.
yeah, MD can actually be a great compliment to knives. knives when you make it close.. MD when you're not quite close enough... and for anything out of MD range.. What the heck are you doing there as a knife scout in the first place?!?!?
basically: spawn in the 'city'. if there's no city spawns, jump in an LAV to get downtown without getting sniped. Then party once you get there. No need for long-range weapons.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
280
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:16:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. 1026 kills to be exact moody and had a 3.3 kdr |
pseudosnipre
528
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:26:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. 1026 kills to be exact moody and had a 3.3 kdr So KDR >> GPA?
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
282
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:30:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. 1026 kills to be exact moody and had a 3.3 kdr
That is extremely impressive. Nova knives are very hard to use, unless you go after the guy standing still, with his back turned toward you. Gotta love those hackers. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
7900
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:31:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. 1026 kills to be exact moody and had a 3.3 kdr
This man scares the hell out of me.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
506
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Posted - 2014.01.15 22:25:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:I run only knife fits....a knife is a terrible sidearm choice, you are better off with anything other than knives for a sidearm. I think you are better off going "full knifer" or not even trying. Its a situational weapon and the only way to improve your knife game is to get in the zone of using them. Its your only weapon, attack when you know you can win the engagement. Knife only practice last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOUBetter start running medium frames....IIIIIII seee you. knifes are a terrible side arm choice maybe flaylock aside it's the worst. [warning, fitting theory ahead] carrying a primary has it benefits and a number weapons synergize really well with NKs. nova knives are a high alpha choice extremely low range they have the ability to put down reds before they can fight back. pairing NKs with a high dps choice with good range like an smg, combat rifle, blaster rifle, or to a far lesser extent rail rifle can be a really deadly combo. using the dps option for normal encounters but alpha tackling unaware enemies (enemies hacking point, snipers, ect) before they can fight back. the mass drive isn't a terrible option either it has a nice medium short range optimal and tight areas that don't cater to the MD often do cater to NKs but the smg/flux combo offers way better synergy in that situation. the rail rifle, scrambler rifle or lazer rifle don't combo with NKs because they're a little too long range and leaves you really lacking for a good medium short range option. shotguns aren't a great option either because any situation the NKs would be useful the shotty is really the right tool for the job. the NK CBr scout combo has awesome synergy and is one of my favorite fits to run, the CBr offers great medium short range fire power for run of the mill engagements and situationally the NKs can get rid of enemies before they have time to respond.
The truth is you shouldn't ever be in knife range using those other weapons unless surprised. If running with MD you should have the scrambler pistol and fluxes keeping at range as much as possible. You are more likely to make a kill on an unaware enemy by shooting them in the face with your primary then a NK.
What fit would you propose? Cause no fit will actually complement the knives besides biotics in the lows. Something you don't need/want if you have a primary. Using both NKs and a primary gimps your NKs from being useful as well as makes your primary less effective. The NK is just a token fun item to use as a situation presents itself.
Again as long as you have a primary you just wont use the NKs unless its a "taking candy" scenario on a stationary target. If you want to run with NKs and be successful, you build your fit around them. You would not have enough PG/CPU to fit a primary anyway. Hell you usually cant fit a nade or equipment either.
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Lucifalic
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:13:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I run knives on every scout fit and get many kills a game with them but would never run JUST knives. They're just too unreliable and easy to counter.
That being said mr musturd completed a 1000 kill knife only challenge. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. 1026 kills to be exact moody and had a 3.3 kdr
You may be an exception to the rule ;)
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OZAROW
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
1242
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:53:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:knight of 6 wrote:IgniteableAura wrote:I run only knife fits....a knife is a terrible sidearm choice, you are better off with anything other than knives for a sidearm. I think you are better off going "full knifer" or not even trying. Its a situational weapon and the only way to improve your knife game is to get in the zone of using them. Its your only weapon, attack when you know you can win the engagement. Knife only practice last night. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yscdf_-ztOUBetter start running medium frames....IIIIIII seee you. knifes are a terrible side arm choice maybe flaylock aside it's the worst. [warning, fitting theory ahead] carrying a primary has it benefits and a number weapons synergize really well with NKs. nova knives are a high alpha choice extremely low range they have the ability to put down reds before they can fight back. pairing NKs with a high dps choice with good range like an smg, combat rifle, blaster rifle, or to a far lesser extent rail rifle can be a really deadly combo. using the dps option for normal encounters but alpha tackling unaware enemies (enemies hacking point, snipers, ect) before they can fight back. the mass drive isn't a terrible option either it has a nice medium short range optimal and tight areas that don't cater to the MD often do cater to NKs but the smg/flux combo offers way better synergy in that situation. the rail rifle, scrambler rifle or lazer rifle don't combo with NKs because they're a little too long range and leaves you really lacking for a good medium short range option. shotguns aren't a great option either because any situation the NKs would be useful the shotty is really the right tool for the job. the NK CBr scout combo has awesome synergy and is one of my favorite fits to run, the CBr offers great medium short range fire power for run of the mill engagements and situationally the NKs can get rid of enemies before they have time to respond. The truth is you shouldn't ever be in knife range using those other weapons unless surprised. If running with MD you should have the scrambler pistol and fluxes keeping at range as much as possible. You are more likely to make a kill on an unaware enemy by shooting them in the face with your primary then a NK. What fit would you propose? Cause no fit will actually complement the knives besides biotics in the lows. Something you don't need/want if you have a primary. Using both NKs and a primary gimps your NKs from being useful as well as makes your primary less effective. The NK is just a token fun item to use as a situation presents itself. Again as long as you have a primary you just wont use the NKs unless its a "taking candy" scenario on a stationary target. If you want to run with NKs and be successful, you build your fit around them. You would not have enough PG/CPU to fit a primary anyway. Hell you usually cant fit a nade or equipment either. My new go too fit is
Adv min Complex an basic shield Basic CR proficiency 4 Ish knives or z 28's ( proficiency 5) depending on my equip Flux Adv scanner or RE ( RE With proto NK, scanner with ad knives or proto knives no flux) Basic reactive plate Enh kin cat
Very good fit
SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising
262
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:18:00 -
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Only thing that sucks about NK is when you hit the person, they jump away from your sight and then you have to jump and figure where they jumped and try to swipe again |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1996
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:28:00 -
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I've been enjoying it.
My KDR is somehow getting worse(didn't think it was possible)
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
186
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:33:00 -
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I run toxin SMG and flaylock more and more recently. I'd sooner vote for removing the primary weapon slot and keep the secondary so other scouts would have a disadvantage. Sidearms are all you need if you have the skills in them. |
Demon Buddah
Corporate Disaster
153
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:40:00 -
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If proto scans weren't such an issue I would try just knives. Most matches I've gotten today people are using proto scans |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:13:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote: The truth is you shouldn't ever be in knife range using those other weapons unless surprised. If running with MD you should have the scrambler pistol and fluxes keeping at range as much as possible. You are more likely to make a kill on an unaware enemy by shooting them in the face with your primary then a NK.
What fit would you propose? Cause no fit will actually complement the knives besides biotics in the lows. Something you don't need/want if you have a primary. Using both NKs and a primary gimps your NKs from being useful as well as makes your primary less effective. The NK is just a token fun item to use as a situation presents itself.
Again as long as you have a primary you just wont use the NKs unless its a "taking candy" scenario on a stationary target. If you want to run with NKs and be successful, you build your fit around them. You would not have enough PG/CPU to fit a primary anyway. Hell you usually cant fit a nade or equipment either.
Gallente Gk/0 ADV scout {
RS-90 combat rifle ZN-27 nova knives (ADV nut sure of alpha numerical designation)
ADV light damage mod complex shield extender
basic cardiac regulator complex armor repair
}
that's my fit as it currently stands, I don't build around the knives, they are there mostly to clear hacks and hug snipers. I kept finding that I would shoot hackers and they would turn around and kill me so I added novas and now they don't get the chance to turn around. it's working pretty well so far. there are a couple of odd situations were the knives come in handy but it's not common enough to justify further buffing.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout.
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Seeth Mensch
Hawkborn Brotherhood IMMORTAL REGIME
121
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Posted - 2014.01.16 01:18:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:back up until 1.4, I used to run only knives. after that, knives just became less and less viable as a lone weapon due to to hit detection fixes, aim assist, and reductions to TTK. afterwards I kind of put down the knives for a bit. I recently picked them back up (about a month and a half ago) and I can proudly say that I've still got it! the only thing is that you can't really run them solo effectively anymore. you need some other type of weapon to go with them. this is because if an enemy sees you have knives, they will generally backpedal far out of your distance, and nowadays when you die in 1/4 of a second, you need to be able to fight back somehow. another problem is the sprinting bug. if this happens and you only have knives, then you can kiss whatever suit your wearing goodbye, because it's almost guaranteed you will die. all in all, you wont be seeing many scouts who decide to use only knives very high on the leaderboard. this isn't to say it won't happen, though, as I recently went 25/0 with only knives. but that was one match...out of 7 that I used only knives and the other 6 I did decent, but could've done much better if I had another weapon.
If I hadn't met and run with you the other day, I would have cried BS so hard. As I said then: TERRIFYING!
Hi! Gosh, I've missed you...with every bullet, plasma shot, rail gun, and missile.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
512
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Posted - 2014.01.16 18:10:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:IgniteableAura wrote: The truth is you shouldn't ever be in knife range using those other weapons unless surprised. If running with MD you should have the scrambler pistol and fluxes keeping at range as much as possible. You are more likely to make a kill on an unaware enemy by shooting them in the face with your primary then a NK.
What fit would you propose? Cause no fit will actually complement the knives besides biotics in the lows. Something you don't need/want if you have a primary. Using both NKs and a primary gimps your NKs from being useful as well as makes your primary less effective. The NK is just a token fun item to use as a situation presents itself.
Again as long as you have a primary you just wont use the NKs unless its a "taking candy" scenario on a stationary target. If you want to run with NKs and be successful, you build your fit around them. You would not have enough PG/CPU to fit a primary anyway. Hell you usually cant fit a nade or equipment either.
Gallente Gk/0 ADV scout { RS-90 combat rifle ZN-27 nova knives (ADV nut sure of alpha numerical designation) ADV light damage mod complex shield extender basic cardiac regulator complex armor repair } that's my fit as it currently stands, I don't build around the knives, they are there mostly to clear hacks and hug snipers. I kept finding that I would shoot hackers and they would turn around and kill me so I added novas and now they don't get the chance to turn around. it's working pretty well so far. there are a couple of odd situations were the knives come in handy but it's not common enough to justify further buffing.
Looks good, small piece of advice, REDS are superior in every way to GREENS unless you plan on running 800m all at the same time. The problem is fitting REDS, so fit a RED if your suit can handle it.
Second I would say grab a plate (or reactive) instead of a repper and see if you can fit a compact hive. Chances are you won't utilize the 5hp/s reps as you will likely get alphaed through your armor anyway. If you survive an engagement that took some armor, use your compact and as time allows make your way to the resupply to refit and grab another hive.
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