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McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:40:00 -
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As any mouse player will tell you, it's still not up to par with the DS3 especially with the introduction of AA. If we're talking balance, the scale is tipped way over in the DS3's favor.
Some describe it as, "wobbly." I described in another thead:
Quote:my main issue with the mouse controls currently is that it handles grabbing a wet bar of soap. The harder I try to center my gun on the enemy the more it seems to slip just to the side of my intended target. Even if the target is standing still.
I endlessly play with my settings to no avail. I'm sure others are doing the same. Something needs to get done about it.
Chromosome had the best mouse aiming hands down. I'd like to see it go back to that. If AA is here to stay then we're going to need the ability to be just as accurate. As of now, that's just not possible.
So if you're a mouse user, post here and voice your opinion.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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M McManus
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Posted - 2014.01.15 08:50:00 -
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Here's to hoping for a reply, same as above mouse aiming is like aiming under water extremely weighted and inaccurate...
Change it back to chromosome. .. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.15 12:33:00 -
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Two people so far... This shows you how much of a minority kb/m players are nowadays CCP knows what's wrong and obviously they don't care to fix it... I've submitted petition after petition and i get the same bogus cookie cutter response every month I used to be a huge supporter and since uprising my contributions have slowed and recently stopped with CCP's lack of acknowledgement, hopefully all kb/m users who are unhappy do the same... |
McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:11:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Two people so far... This shows you how much of a minority kb/m players are nowadays CCP knows what's wrong and obviously they don't care to fix it... I've submitted petition after petition and i get the same bogus cookie cutter response every month I used to be a huge supporter and since uprising my contributions have slowed and recently stopped with CCP's lack of acknowledgement, hopefully all kb/m users who are unhappy do the same...
They should know it's not working right. I'd like to see any of the dev's get on a PS3 with a mouse and keyboard and try to aim it straight in a match. Or track a moving target. No one can and that's unacceptable.
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Closed Beta Masshole
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Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:27:00 -
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I used to love playing this, then the 'overhaul' came and did exactly nothing to help the real problem for mouse users; input is behind a ******* emulator.
TTK, mouse aiming issues, and lack of long term planning to go to PS4 are the reasons I quit playing. The PS3 is ridiculously bad for the scope they're trying to achieve. Until these issues are looked at, I'm staying off Dust.
As it is, I'm not expecting to come back for a long time.
So, as a former KB/M Dust player, I fully support CCP getting off their ass and doing something about it. |
Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 13:45:00 -
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One solution to reduce input lag (which is the main problem in dust right now for kb/m) is to play in SD resolution instead of 720p. |
bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.15 14:46:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:One solution to reduce input lag (which is the main problem in dust right now for kb/m) is to play in SD resolution instead of 720p.
I've tried this and the mouse still has the horrible emulation feel, the weighted slippery feel mentioned above.. I really can't see input lag being the main culprit, its what ever CCP did at launch of uprising to emulate the mouse to the DS3 just look at how sloppy the equipment select is it feels like the mouse in on a joystick this couldn't be caused by input lag.. |
Sener Machius
FACTION WARFARE ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.15 16:56:00 -
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I've found that lowering my mouse's polling rate to 125 Hz really helped me out, before I was basically unable to turn if I moved the mouse too quickly. Outside of that there are some issues which make aiming a little more difficult - I still prefer it to DS3 though. |
M McManus
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Posted - 2014.01.15 17:10:00 -
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It's frustrating that CCP won't even pay attention to kb/m posts, CCP if you have no intentions of improving the kb/m just be professional about it and tell us... You're really only letting down a dozen or so people... Which I'm sure is the reason why you don't seem to give a damn.. |
McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.15 19:53:00 -
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M McManus wrote:It's frustrating that CCP won't even pay attention to kb/m posts, CCP if you have no intentions of improving the kb/m just be professional about it and tell us... You're really only letting down a dozen or so people... Which I'm sure is the reason why you don't seem to give a damn..
They've got a lot on their plate with all the work that still needs to be done with the rest of this game. What I want is for us to make it clear something needs to be done next time they're planning a build. They put a lot of dev time already into the KBM but now it's useless for any kind of competitive play.
Half Irish. Often angry.
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M McManus
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:10:00 -
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McFurious wrote:M McManus wrote:It's frustrating that CCP won't even pay attention to kb/m posts, CCP if you have no intentions of improving the kb/m just be professional about it and tell us... You're really only letting down a dozen or so people... Which I'm sure is the reason why you don't seem to give a damn.. They've got a lot on their plate with all the work that still needs to be done with the rest of this game. What I want is for us to make it clear something needs to be done next time they're planning a build. They put a lot of dev time already into the KBM but now it's useless for any kind of competitive play.
I agree but there is a 16page thread with A LOT OF FEEDBACK and its been 7months now and no response on if they are even considering "fixing it" for all we know its working as planned. .. They have to know what's wrong from the few complaining and if not all they would have to do is just pick up a mouse themselves... |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:27:00 -
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I guess a lot of mouse 'sluggishness' or 'being underwater' has to do with the fact that it's unreasonable to have MKB players insta-180 while pad (ds3) users couldn't.
Guess there's really now other way to fix it, it's inherent result of mouse-hand movement's apparent freedom.
But, there are real issues with MKB as well. The wandering of the pointer... Tsk tsk, very unprofessional. It was not fixed last week.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.16 00:03:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:I guess a lot of mouse 'sluggishness' or 'being underwater' has to do with the fact that it's unreasonable to have MKB players insta-180 while pad (ds3) users couldn't.
Guess there's really now other way to fix it, it's inherent result of mouse-hand movement's apparent freedom.
But, there are real issues with MKB as well. The wandering of the pointer... Tsk tsk, very unprofessional. It was not fixed last week.
There isn't one KB/M user i know that can do this... takes me almost 5 drags across my rather large mouse pad to do a 360...
No mouse user has high sensitivity or plays with it competitively. it doesn't happen.. These made up facts about M/KB are hilarious.
The controls are messed. period CCP has known this since 1.0 .. they are still messed for the PS move they are still messed for an un aim assisted DS3...
This is the current aiming system at work it needs a ground up rework with the oversight of CCP Rouge. |
M McManus
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Posted - 2014.01.17 17:04:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:I guess a lot of mouse 'sluggishness' or 'being underwater' has to do with the fact that it's unreasonable to have MKB players insta-180 while pad (ds3) users couldn't.
Guess there's really now other way to fix it, it's inherent result of mouse-hand movement's apparent freedom.
But, there are real issues with MKB as well. The wandering of the pointer... Tsk tsk, very unprofessional. It was not fixed last week. There isn't one KB/M user i know that can do this... takes me almost 5 drags across my rather large mouse pad to do a 360... No mouse user has high sensitivity or plays with it competitively. it doesn't happen.. These made up facts about M/KB are hilarious. The controls are messed. period CCP has known this since 1.0 .. they are still messed for the PS move they are still messed for an un aim assisted DS3... This is the current aiming system at work it needs a ground up rework with the oversight of CCP Rouge.
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McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:51:00 -
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Bump.
Need an answer of some kind CCP.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Faquira Bleuetta
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:55:00 -
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
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Posted - 2014.01.19 06:59:00 -
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One of my best friends in DUST is saying the exact same thing. We've always wondered who was a better AR. Since we've returned to DUST he just can't shoot. I asked him what's going on. He said they changed the kbm. Apparently he did some research and thought it may be due to his mouse. So he bought a new one. His scores are better. But still kbm is broken. I promote this thread as I would like to see my friends play better. I would also like to be challenged by the best. Not defeating people at a disadvantage
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.19 07:02:00 -
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Get rid of them, KB/M users have no place in a console game. Its a shame CCP implemented the use of them to suit the PC market and make the majority of EVE players happy.
Ok so their side to side ADS strafing is OP but their mouse input is borked; isn't that balanced enough?
Going to get flamed for saying this but I'm sure 80% of the community would agree with me; even if they are too shy to admit it.
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McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.19 07:33:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:Ok so their side to side ADS strafing is OP but their mouse input is borked; isn't that balanced enough?
Take away aim assist and we'll call it even.
Half Irish. Often angry.
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Lt Royal
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2014.01.19 16:10:00 -
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McFurious wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Ok so their side to side ADS strafing is OP but their mouse input is borked; isn't that balanced enough? Take away aim assist and we'll call it even.
Or you guys could learn how to use a console and get used to using a controller like everyone else.....
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McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.19 18:27:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:McFurious wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Ok so their side to side ADS strafing is OP but their mouse input is borked; isn't that balanced enough? Take away aim assist and we'll call it even. Or you guys could learn how to use a console and get used to using a controller like everyone else.....
No. You can keep your aim assisted DS3. We prefer to actually do the aiming ourselves.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:46:00 -
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I actually don't know if KB/M is broken or not, I've never tried using DS3 to compare. I will, however, say that everyone seems to have an easier time hitting me than I have hitting them. I'm also disappointed with the amount of people saying that KB/M should be removed. I use KB/M exclusively, and I don't think it's a good idea to get rid of it, especially not if CCP ever intends to bring Dust 514 to PCs as well.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:54:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:McFurious wrote:Lt Royal wrote:Ok so their side to side ADS strafing is OP but their mouse input is borked; isn't that balanced enough? Take away aim assist and we'll call it even. Or you guys could learn how to use a console and get used to using a controller like everyone else.....
Why would anyone but someone completely foreign to the FPS genre want a computer program help them aim?
Why even play a shooter to have a developer hold your hand and Aim for you?
Say KB/M wasn't even in the argument.. Why would you accept Aim assist as a fix for broken Aiming controls since Uprising launch? A System that tracks Scouts to Heavies indiscriminately as if their movement speed variants didn't matter.. Rewards people with hit's even when their Aim is off..
Shooting head's is like trying to shoot a headshot in any other Shooter through a Smoke grenade.. its fuzzy and most of the time is guessing and luck unless they are somewhat stationary..
There are way more ds3 users unhappy about Aim assist then there is M/KB users... it ruined their gungame more then it did ours.
Regardless we could be having a My peripheral is more meant for interfacing then your peripheral argument that has been echoed for 30 years? really all of it is moot and both gamepad and KB/M are on the way out and we will be using Real space to control our games. Example.
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McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.19 23:23:00 -
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That Leap Motion is pretty cool but I wouldn't want to hold my arms out in the air and wave them around for hours.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:07:00 -
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I don't think its broken its "working as intended" I mean KB&M worked great from day one and only broke when the place turn limits on models, then finally after countless builds of ds3s griping about KB&M chrome comes and the KB&M is completely unusable, I actually quit play for a long time because of this after a while CCP caught on and turn its KB&M gimping to current levels.
The current KB&M implementation is meant to keep bring the average KB&M player in line with the average DS3 player and does so very well. The problem is that it has the same effect on high skill KB&M players which were on even ground before with high skill DS3 players before the KB&M gimp never mind the addition of AA. The end result KB&M is unplayable on the high end and frustrating for every one else because their is no fix or talent that can fix how badly KB&M is broken. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:19:00 -
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I should clarify that all I want is 1:1 mouse controls and bullet magnetism removed, scrubs can have their AA most pros I've talked to don't want to use it but bullet magnetism is to powerful to play with out. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.20 01:41:00 -
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oh I lied, I also want weapon/equip slots hotkeyed to the number keys, that mouse driven selection wheel is garbage. |
McFurious
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:07:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:oh I lied, I also want weapon/equip slots hotkeyed to the number keys, that mouse driven selection wheel is garbage.
That would be nice.
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
Durka durka.... Bitch.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.20 02:23:00 -
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Squagga wrote:One of my best friends in DUST is saying the exact same thing. We've always wondered who was a better AR. Since we've returned to DUST he just can't shoot. I asked him what's going on. He said they changed the kbm. Apparently he did some research and thought it may be due to his mouse. So he bought a new one. His scores are better. But still kbm is broken. I promote this thread as I would like to see my friends play better. I would also like to be challenged by the best. Not defeating people at a disadvantage
This is how the majority of "skilled" controller players feel but yet CCP wants to listen to the scrub that yell kb/m regardless of who's shooting at them. .. |
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