so ive seen allot of av on foot allot of av jihaading but ide like to make this thread to honor and praise those avers who stay tru to their spec and stomp tanks with av.

now i do have some specific names i also have some corp names of corps ive noticed that put up a real good fight with coordinated av.

dark legion:
jastad ( a mighty ballsy forger)

mottani japan..they may not speak English but they understand av and have caught on fast

any one? please post names and corps that have good av retaliation and are not cowering scrubs when faced with tank spamming

props to all the true av for your dedication and never failing faith

I find a militia heavy and militia forge can solo a militia tank, maybe militia swarms should be able to as well.....

Im still forging dont knw why ppl say u cant solo tanks I do it all the time proto assault prof 4 2 complex dmg modes you eat tanks : p

This is going to be my one and only post in response to the least productive but most vocal person in the vehicle/AV debate:

Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced.

1. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I know a dropship pilot who six months ago was able to stay in the air a whole game, move troops around, get kills, and never get shot out of the sky--and I saw him do it in Planetary Conquest, Factional Warfare, and pub matches. Does that mean dropships were balanced and pilots just needed to HTFU and adapt? I don't believe that, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that.

2. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. Balance in a role-based game is predicated on the idea that a role that is strong in one way is weak in another. Therefore the question is not whether AV are capable of destroying tanks, it's a question of what they have to give up to do it, and whether they're being proportionately compensated for their weaknesses in their area of strength. Right now, people are using militia tanks and suicide LAVs because they're able to accomplish the job better without making sacrifices. Just because they could do the job with forge guns and swarm launchers doesn't mean it's the best way to get it done--and if you can get better results without sacrificing flexibility, why wouldn't you?

3. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean it's balanced. I want to emphasize this point because you seem to be under the delusion that what is possible must be balanced. Tankers didn't believe this in 1.6, despite many of them going multiple matches without being destroyed. There are scouts who run around in ninja fits with nova knives--they get kills, therefore they are balanced? I regularly go positive on my skill-less alt with starter fits, so obviously a starter fit is just as good as a proto. There's not a problem with the matchmaking system, people just need to learn to adapt.

4. And finally: Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You talk about teamwork, but what you really mean is buddy-work. If I'm working on a team, and not just out to kill vehicles, I likely have a more important responsibility than chasing down tanks the whole game. Because while I'm off chasing one tank, me and my buddy are leaving the rest of the team defenseless against any other vehicle that decides to sidle up and give them hell. That's not teamwork, that's selfishness.

These are the reasons why your anecdotes and continuing posts are irrelevant. You're setting out to prove a limited point, with limited applicability, and pretending as though the results prove some universal truth.

But of course I'm doing this for the benefit of the people reading your threads, not for you yourself. You've already made up your mind, and wouldn't change it if I presented you with a thousand pages of hard, incontrovertible evidence. So to all of you who have any sense, I leave you this TL;DR:

Don't feed the troll. If you don't respond to his posts, they will just disappear into the archive. Let them.

How about you separate this list into 2 parts, based on wether people use a Swarm Launcher or Forge Gun.

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I find a militia heavy and militia forge can solo a militia tank, maybe militia swarms should be able to as well.....

mm well maybe but forge is a heavy weapon it deals heavy dmg swarm isa light weapon like the plc it deals light dmg..light weapons should not be able to solo tanks easily without the addition of more av such as nades mines re's webifyers

You forgot your flame suit

so ive seen allot of av on foot allot of av jihaading but ide like to make this thread to honor and praise those avers who stay tru to their spec and stomp tanks with av.

now i do have some specific names i also have some corp names of corps ive noticed that put up a real good fight with coordinated av.

dark legion:
jastad ( a mighty ballsy forger)

daft boy men in black ops
twylla dust blauhlme

mottani japan..they may not speak English but they understand av and have caught on fast

any one? please post names and corps that have good av retaliation and are not cowering scrubs when faced with tank spamming

props to all the true av for your dedication and never failing faith

i hope out of my lav like a nynja and become a terrorist with bombs all around them but im no scrubby jihhader monster im the monster that drives off laughing in the lav she came in on.
jihhaaav = av lvl 0

swarm master = av lvl 99+

mm well maybe but forge is a heavy weapon it deals heavy dmg swarm isa light weapon like the plc it deals light dmg..light weapons should not be able to solo tanks easily without the addition of more av such as nades mines re's webifyers

So light objects shouldn't solo heavy objects?

i mean if heavy objects a moron with bad gun game and light objects awesome then yeah if its oposing types like swarms vs shields then i would expect no or circumstantially which is how it is

You forgot your flame suit