DUST Search - mlt tank spam and how it is stopped

Billi Gene wrote:

Severance Pay wrote:

I wonder how the military deals with tank spam in R/L... Oh right, there isn't tank spam in R/L, because tanks are expensive and AV is effective. I wonder why dictators don't cry about their tanks getting blown up all the time. Believe it or not, not every battle has a tank in it.

Here are some images of destroyed tanks in the Iraqi and Afghanistan Wars.

The cost of the most effect anti-armor weapon, FGM-148 Javelin, is $78,000.

The cost of an M1 tank is $8.5 million.

The cost ratio is .009.

In DUST514, the cost is the same.

last build had tanks getting 2 shot and costing =/=10x a proto suit fit. A couple of builds before that AV took a 50% (iirc)damage nerf.

this build tanks are cheaper than dropships :( and AV damage has taken a slight nerf.

can you guess how far the pendulum will swing next?

I'd guess AV will get a slight un-nerf, tanks will cost a little bit more, there will be slight optimisations to vehicle modules and skills.

There will probably still be micro adjustments into the future, but the big swings for the current set of vehicles and AV seem to be over ..... hopefully :D

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Mortedeamor 1218	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:43:00 - [1] - Quote ok so lets look at the soma 4k armor 1200 shields the soma is generally fitted with 1 hardner and 1 repper or 2 reppers its most commonly used high gear would be nitrous and scanner. ive heard mlt tanks called op and because of this i took it upon myself to solo a few somas with cbr7 swarms 0 dmg mods packed av nades,...std proxies and re's ona adv amarr logi i used a baloch mlt bpo lav. i drove up on a missile soma and a rail soma and killed them both o drove around them in circles hopping out and spamming proxies and nades letting off swarms..my lav drive faster than they're turrets could rotate fast enough that i with my understanding of av and driving skills was able to kill 2 somas at once. now tanks are harder to kill but then before they were 1-2 shot kills...tanks are slow they're modules have cooldowns and most of them only have 6 k hp max ive run with 2 breach forge que shotting gunlogi's with stnd forge..ive run witha plc that slaughtered rail tanks with his suit similar to how i run armor tanks with re;s proxies and nades only he ran flux plc..(cant wait to make this fit the dmg vs shield havs omg) mlt tank spam is stopped by av not on foot or peaking out of buildings but in lavs working together and possible with friendly tanks in chromsome ill say this again av ran in lavs u couldnt get into a pub without3-4 avers in lavs being in with u ..driving around hopping out slaying enemy lavs ganging up on tanks and slaughtering av as it targets friendly tanks..my favorite past time is to drive ahead of my tank with my lav and smg slaughter all the av targeting him. so i guess in sum stop qqing and fight back av works if u use it right and most of the skilled players are starting to catch on the rest of you need to pick it up and end tank spam Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Mortedeamor 1218	Posted - 2014.01.12 13:51:00 - [2] - Quote ok so shield havs they have 20 sec runtimes 20 seconds... generally they have under 3k shield.. so u wait so seconds and then destroy it whats so hard about that? u find it u tail it u wait and hunt it and then u kill it..really av seems pretty common sense to me and i know its not unbalanced. how can you possible hope to hunt a tank on foot? why does av think they can run on foot or peak out of forts and slaughter tanks...you need mobility Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1006	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:07:00 - [3] - Quote I wonder how the military deals with tank spam in R/L... Oh right, there isn't tank spam in R/L, because tanks are expensive and AV is effective. I wonder why dictators don't cry about their tanks getting blown up all the time. Believe it or not, not every battle has a tank in it. Here are some images of destroyed tanks in the Iraqi and Afghanistan Wars. The cost of the most effect anti-armor weapon, FGM-148 Javelin, is $78,000. The cost of an M1 tank is $8.5 million. The cost ratio is .009. In DUST514, the cost is the same. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 796	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:10:00 - [4] - Quote ill tell you how to stop tank spam. A double damage mod sica with a particle cannon, thats how. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2202	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:15:00 - [5] - Quote They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you Intelligence is OP
Billi Gene 440	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:20:00 - [6] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: I wonder how the military deals with tank spam in R/L... Oh right, there isn't tank spam in R/L, because tanks are expensive and AV is effective. I wonder why dictators don't cry about their tanks getting blown up all the time. Believe it or not, not every battle has a tank in it. Here are some images of destroyed tanks in the Iraqi and Afghanistan Wars. The cost of the most effect anti-armor weapon, FGM-148 Javelin, is $78,000. The cost of an M1 tank is $8.5 million. The cost ratio is .009. In DUST514, the cost is the same. last build had tanks getting 2 shot and costing =/=10x a proto suit fit. A couple of builds before that AV took a 50% (iirc)damage nerf. this build tanks are cheaper than dropships :( and AV damage has taken a slight nerf. can you guess how far the pendulum will swing next? I'd guess AV will get a slight un-nerf, tanks will cost a little bit more, there will be slight optimisations to vehicle modules and skills. There will probably still be micro adjustments into the future, but the big swings for the current set of vehicles and AV seem to be over ..... hopefully :D Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 796	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:25:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you AV did adapt. We put down our millions of SP proto AV & hopped into 10x more effective 0sp tanks. Me, i spent the SP and got into proto rails. So i don't have to worry about using garbage AV vs obviously OP tanks. That's "MR." Pothead to you.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2202	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:29:00 - [8] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you AV did adapt. We put down our millions of SP proto AV & hopped into 10x more effective 0sp tanks. Me, i spent the SP and got into proto rails. So i don't have to worry about using garbage AV vs obviously OP tanks. Only garbage if you dont know how to use it Intelligence is OP
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1189	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:31:00 - [9] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you AV did adapt. We put down our millions of SP proto AV & hopped into 10x more effective 0sp tanks. Me, i spent the SP and got into proto rails. So i don't have to worry about using garbage AV vs obviously OP tanks. SO you get OP rails I assume by your tags that you sit behind the redline and use it. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1189	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:33:00 - [10] - Quote Rails are especially easy to kill on the ground they require more focus easy to slap 3 remotes on and detonate, you can do the same with blaster and missile tanks but just a tad more difficult. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1

Mortedeamor 1221	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:33:00 - [11] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: Severance Pay wrote: I wonder how the military deals with tank spam in R/L... Oh right, there isn't tank spam in R/L, because tanks are expensive and AV is effective. I wonder why dictators don't cry about their tanks getting blown up all the time. Believe it or not, not every battle has a tank in it. Here are some images of destroyed tanks in the Iraqi and Afghanistan Wars. The cost of the most effect anti-armor weapon, FGM-148 Javelin, is $78,000. The cost of an M1 tank is $8.5 million. The cost ratio is .009. In DUST514, the cost is the same. last build had tanks getting 2 shot and costing =/=10x a proto suit fit. A couple of builds before that AV took a 50% (iirc)damage nerf. this build tanks are cheaper than dropships :( and AV damage has taken a slight nerf. can you guess how far the pendulum will swing next? I'd guess AV will get a slight un-nerf, tanks will cost a little bit more, there will be slight optimisations to vehicle modules and skills. There will probably still be micro adjustments into the future, but the big swings for the current set of vehicles and AV seem to be over ..... hopefully :D av doesnt need a slight un nerf..the only change i can see that really needs to happen is the price of suits needs to drop ttk is ** they have no survivability and should cost less than a mlt tank because as an individual unit they are less effective than a mlt tank. as is the av fit i feel is the cheapest i can go and still have the ease of soloing mlt tanks is 80k and then my lav ranges 36k-130k mlt tanks are around 50k-70k my average stomp payout in pubs is around 400k this leads me to this thought if proto suits were cheaper say under 70k and then adv under 50k and stnd under 30k and mlt under 10k not only would tank prices make more sense end battle payouts for proto bears would be better and everything would be more affordable to current payouts..in general you make ** in dust and tanks current prices mean either everything must be dropped in price..a solution that i feel also fixes the lack of risk vs rewards...or vehicle prices need to be raised..a solution that still leaves risk vs rewards as in issue on the table..i wonder which one ccp will choose probably to raise vehicle prices..but both are solutions Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Mortedeamor 1221	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:35:00 - [12] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Rails are especially easy to kill on the ground they require more focus easy to slap 3 remotes on and detonate, you can do the same with blaster and missile tanks but just a tad more difficult. yeah i am fond of tossing my lai dais around the tank but not at the rail tank like mines and then actually deploying my mines on my swarmer fit before targeting so funny to see a tank real right into 3 lai dais sitting behind him freak out and drive forward ohhh no proxies ..and whats thats swarm volley in your face drives off laughing note lavs drive in circles around tanks faster than missile and rails rotate Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Mortedeamor 1221	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:37:00 - [13] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you AV did adapt. We put down our millions of SP proto AV & hopped into 10x more effective 0sp tanks. Me, i spent the SP and got into proto rails. So i don't have to worry about using garbage AV vs obviously OP tanks. Only garbage if you dont know how to use it i agree at first i thought mlt tanks were op...then my friend was like no morte not everyone can run 49/0 ina soma if left unopposed mortedeamor ina mlt hav >scrub ina mlt hav now i rather enjoy soloing them with av just to silently prove my point through action ive even taken to using stnd av to do this and mlt Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1951	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:42:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you AV did adapt. We put down our millions of SP proto AV & hopped into 10x more effective 0sp tanks. Me, i spent the SP and got into proto rails. So i don't have to worry about using garbage AV vs obviously OP tanks. Only garbage if you dont know how to use it So tanks weren't garbage last build? Guess it was just the tankers. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mortedeamor 1221	Posted - 2014.01.12 14:52:00 - [15] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They refuse to adapt LAVs are the AV users best friend, super fast, agile, small and most ppl ignore them unless they happen to be next to you AV did adapt. We put down our millions of SP proto AV & hopped into 10x more effective 0sp tanks. Me, i spent the SP and got into proto rails. So i don't have to worry about using garbage AV vs obviously OP tanks. Only garbage if you dont know how to use it So tanks weren't garbage last build? Guess it was just the tankers. no tanks were garbage last build this build they are not av was nerfed and after using it myself the same way i did in chromosome when tanks were strong i believe strongly that it is not up..also after running guardian squad with friends and any aver or tanker that joins my channel "the sentinels" i have proven repeatedly to multiple people that it works and that light attack vehicles combined with aver good avers..and tank support is a better response to tank spam than merely tank spam. Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 660	Posted - 2014.01.12 16:04:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: now i rather enjoy soloing them with av just to silently prove my point through action ive even taken to using stnd av to do this and mlt Saying that you used Standard AV was stretching it but saying you used Militia AV to solo tanks is straight up bullsh!t. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Mortedeamor 1224	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:07:00 - [17] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: now i rather enjoy soloing them with av just to silently prove my point through action ive even taken to using stnd av to do this and mlt Saying that you used Standard AV was stretching it but saying you used Militia AV to solo tanks is straight up bullsh!t. mlt forge on eon bpo heavy ive also done dua on same heavy and of course sadly there is no mlt av nade so in ever instance i used stnd for nade but mlt forge..i kill tanks solo all the time with mlt forge stnd demo on the forge fit as there are no mlt prox or re or nades. not that it takes much sp to get stnd nades and stnd re's and proxies which is what i did use with mlt swarms when i soloed somas av is fine and you should not be able to easily solo mlt tank with mlt av. and lemme tell you my suits are max skilled and allot stronger than a nubs even at mlt lvl and it was hell of hard not impossible with 2-3 it should be very viable and mlt lavs are purfect for mlt av just as my methana is perfect for my av forge is easy to kill tanks with swarm may need a slight range buff but personally i dont think so ive always used my swarm as the last resort i re and nade you with proxies laid and nanos....untill your running away i wont use anything but av nades and re's in combat cqc ill pull up ina lav and hit you quick..and then when you start running as soon as your driving off ive emptied my whole clip reloaded and is firing some more...normally mlt havs die before i needs swarms now re's are quiet strong Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 714	Posted - 2014.01.12 18:29:00 - [18] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Rails are especially easy to kill on the ground they require more focus easy to slap 3 remotes on and detonate. its only easy if they're being idiot "sniper" rail tanks. So that's not so much "on the ground" as "in the hills" And it doesnt work if they're sitting in redline. the remotes wont deploy. (they should really fix that. )


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