Question to the people in this thread, what is the range(s) that you consider as being CQC? I ask this 99% of the time when I die to the RR it's at 40+ meters. Makes me wonder.

Question to the people in this thread, what is the range(s) that you consider as being CQC? I ask this 99% of the time when I die to the RR it's at 40+ meters. Makes me wonder.

I'd consider CQC to be anything within 10m, which is the Base Scan Radius for Med and Heavy dropsuits.

The RR wrecks within 10m.

not vs cqc weapons

not vs cqc weapons

not vs cqc weapons

The Rail Rifle has a fair chance Vs The Gallente Plasma Rifle in CQC

Using the Shotgun in CQC requires more skill, patience, and effort than using the Rail Rifle in CQC.

The Rail Rifle beats the SMG in CQC.

Only weapon it doesn't beat in CQC is a HMG.

Only weapon it doesn't beat in CQC is a HMG.

The Rail Rifle has a fair chance Vs The Gallente Plasma Rifle in CQC

Using the Shotgun in CQC requires more skill, patience, and effort than using the Rail Rifle in CQC.

The Rail Rifle beats the SMG in CQC.

Only weapon it doesn't beat in CQC is a HMG.

Why is it that its so incredibly accurate when firing from the hip?

I know Rail technology is supposed to have incredible accuracy, but its also supposed to be near useless in Close Quarters engagements, and the only reason you would be firing from the hip is if you're in a CQC enviroment.

Plasma Rifle is jack of all trades not CQC

Red Herring

SMG is a sidearm, debatable at best.

only HMG? or you conveniently forget about the CR

Hipfire needs to be a little worse, and charge up time needs to go up by .25 for the std and .10-15 for the assault.

You obviously haven't run into someone using a Kaalakiota RR with damage mods, then.

What I'm hearing is I suck at cqc. I'm a heavy the rr is garbage in cqc. Reason 1 I can out strafe it. 2 cr is so much better. 3 scr is so much better. 3 ar is so much better. If you make the spread worst it'll then turn into a spray and pray like the cr or the hmg do not touch the rr it's fine

I'd consider CQC to be anything within 10m, which is the Base Scan Radius for Med and Heavy dropsuits.

The RR wrecks within 10m.

You obviously haven't run into someone using a Kaalakiota RR with damage mods, then.

There are people who swear it sucks in CQC by even the standard variant is a monster. The best way to fix it, and other issues with long range, is nerfing the rof of long range weapons so that their DPS is always lower than short range weapons. And as the range goes higher the DPS gets lower.

Plasma Rifle is jack of all trades not CQC

Red Herring

SMG is a sidearm, debatable at best.

only HMG? or you conveniently forget about the CR

i disagree i am max skilled smg user and my stnd smg does not compete with rr within 10m

if any cqc weapon were to it would be smg
also ide like to note ive seen one proto rr deal 1400dmg in under 2 seconds in cqc vs proto hmg heavy

There are people who swear it sucks in CQC by even the standard variant is a monster. The best way to fix it, and other issues with long range, is nerfing the rof of long range weapons so that their DPS is always lower than short range weapons. And as the range goes higher the DPS gets lower.

they are fine.

the cbr is the one that's op. killing me from 70m in under 3 seconds. lame.

RR has more negatives than positives and people want to nerf it already?

It has a spool up time which REDUCES dps.

.25 seconds that's nothing...

It has almost 1/3 the ROF of the Combat Rifle and significantly lower than the AR.

But it has the same DPS which mean it is at the same level.

Even with max operation, while ADS you cant empty the whole clip without extreme recoil/spread.

We are talking about CQC you don't ADS in CQC.

If someone plays peek-a-boo with you it forces you to consistently re-spool.

This situation is rare... since cover is extremely scarce...

The hipfire is tight which is good and bad. You have to be "locked" onto the target which is hard for most people.

It has a small clip and reloading is the longest of all the rifles.

The reload is marginally longer but not long enough to open a vulnerability.

I get torn up by the CR in CQC just because of their fire rate and lack of tight spread so they can spray easier while I'm focused on just keeping my aim on him, while he is probably strafing as well. The only thing I would warrant an nerf on the RR would be spool-up time to .25 seconds if its such a problem in CQC. Other than that the weapon is fine.

It needs it's ROF reduced so compensate for its longer range the gun will always be OP as long as the DPS is the same as short range weapons...

I use my Rail Rifle with hipfire out to about 30m on a regular basis, sometimes further.

In CQC, my Shotgun beats almost every RR user I've encountered, and I usually die when fighting Shotgunners with my own Rail Rifle.

SMGs are a sidearm, and still offer a tough challenge to the RR in CQC, even if they don't routinely win. A Sidearm running almost even with a primary weapon sounds about right given the circumstances.

Many players - particularly the ones who prefer CQC - are running armour-heavy fittings, which the Rail Rifle hits harder against. If you're using a Combat Rifle against a shield-heavy RR user, they have better resistance to your weapon than you have against theirs. If you're using a Plasma AR against an armour-heavy suit, they have the advantage against your weapon.

It's not ONLY range that you need to consider. Also, with aim assist in its current state - reduced from how it was previously - and even moreso when you do as I did, and turn it off, near-perfect accuracy can become a liability in CQC. Inaccuracy can act as a minor form of lag compensation in DUST, and also allows partial damage when you fail to anticipate your opponent's movements correctly and end up with your crosshairs off-target. This may not be a regular problem for everyone, but anyone who says they keep their enemies in sight every second in CQC is either lying or has never fought a competent opponent in CQC without an overly aggressive aim assist.

Also, while 0.25s is a tiny delay, less than half that time will usually be the deciding factor in a CQC fight between skilled players. When you aren't ALLOWED to fire in that window because of the way your gun works, that's a potentially MASSIVE handicap. It's situational, but it's still a valid balancing element. You can't just dismiss it as irrelevant because you don't see the impact when you're on the other end of the barrel.

rr is listed as a long range weapon but exhibits omni range properties it operates from cqc to over 100m and is the most op rifle ccp has ever introduced