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Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 894	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:34:00 - [1] - Quote I ask this because I really don't see much benefit from using the Assault Rifle. The Combat Rifle has the accuracy of a Krin's and greatly slows down big targets while the Rail Rifle has similar hipfire accuracy of an AR but drastically longer range. If the AR is now supposed to be a close range weapon then it should be able to exel in that over other rifles. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 163	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:36:00 - [2] - Quote Maybe a small one, but the rail rifle should get a semi sniper tunnel vision when aimed. Less severe tunnel vision for combat rifle. EVE alliance seeks mercs and corps! Join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today!
Oswald Rehnquist 1060	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:36:00 - [3] - Quote I would just lower the damage of the other 3, the ar should out dps in its optimal, and the rifles need to be toned downed anyways. Below 28 dB
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1291	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:39:00 - [4] - Quote In my experience, the rail rifle hip fire is really bad unless the target is running at you or staying still, that guns slow refire time means rounds have a tendency to "step" over any targets with sufficient angular velocity. With the AR faster rof means when you track a target you hit them more. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 7781	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:41:00 - [5] - Quote Agreed. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 330	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:50:00 - [6] - Quote Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Maybe a small one, but the rail rifle should get a semi sniper tunnel vision when aimed. Less severe tunnel vision for combat rifle. Of course you being Gallente would say that . Yes they should get a reduction but that could be said about all AR's and the SP . The CR is a triple threat having range , DPS and the accuracy that gun has is unmatched , it's by far the most lethal gun on the game . It needs a damage reduction , one can actually make it fire auto which makes it all that much more a threat . So maybe a lower late of fire and a damage reduction . The Burst PR doesn't fire anywhere close to the ROF of the CR but both guns are suppose to be somewhat similar . The CR , the basic would crush a Burst PR in a one on one . All of the AR's and the SP need hipfire accuracy reductions . Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 895	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: In my experience, the rail rifle hip fire is really bad unless the target is running at you or staying still, that guns slow refire time means rounds have a tendency to "step" over any targets with sufficient angular velocity. With the AR faster rof means when you track a target you hit them more. True but with the Rail Rifle I can hipfire at distant targets while they have to ADS in order to accurately hit me. Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1! LOL Commando LOL Plasma Cannon
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7983	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:56:00 - [8] - Quote I'm wondering what rifle the community actually want to be good at hipfiring, I remember people complaining about the AR's hipfire accuracy back in beta. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 804	Posted - 2014.01.10 17:59:00 - [9] - Quote No, accurate hipfire is bad in CQB (unless the guy is just standing there, but that's not an accuracy / range issue so much as a stupid issue) increasing the spread to anything but the most ridiculous levels would actually be a buff. (See HMG as an example of what I'm talking about)
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4667	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:01:00 - [10] - Quote As much as I hate to say it, the scrambler rifle should also get a hipfire accuracy reduction. Amarr Victor! CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1531	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:11:00 - [11] - Quote No it should have a rof nerf. Reducing the hip fire won't do much since you can compensate by going in and out of ADS.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 968	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:14:00 - [12] - Quote I feel Rail Rifles do to much damage at short range, as a weapon it should fail as hard as a sniper in short ranges If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Qn1f3 Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.01.10 18:19:00 - [13] - Quote The biggest issue in my opinion is the range of the RR combined with it's other stats, hipfiring people from a distance with ease is not okay. Whilst I think the CR and AR are okay, but I don't have any of them in high level so I'm mainly speaking of the percieved experiences on the other end of the barrel.
the shadow dragon F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 2	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:57:00 - [14] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: I feel Rail Rifles do to much damage at short range, as a weapon it should fail as hard as a sniper in short ranges ok let me shot you in the face with a 50 cal. sniper rifle and see if it does less damage.or let me shot you with a M4 at close rang and see if it does less damage. yea your feelings are stupid.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4039	Posted - 2014.01.18 23:58:00 - [15] - Quote The RR definitely needs reduced hipfire accuracy, but isn't the Combat Rifle supposed to be more effective in CQC? Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
echo47 Minmatar Republic 171	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:14:00 - [16] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: In my experience, the rail rifle hip fire is really bad unless the target is running at you or staying still, that guns slow refire time means rounds have a tendency to "step" over any targets with sufficient angular velocity. With the AR faster rof means when you track a target you hit them more. Agreed. The damage is so much on a rail you dont have to be that accurate in CQC. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 175	Posted - 2014.01.19 00:31:00 - [17] - Quote The rail rifle definitely needs a hipfire accuracy reduction.
Sextus Hardcock 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 212	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:09:00 - [18] - Quote the AR should out DPS the RR, which should be countered by the RRs greatly increased range. That's a start, then start playing with spool up time and hipfire accuracy. I am the sixth son Chrome Vet
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 424	Posted - 2014.01.19 01:34:00 - [19] - Quote All of the rifles should get more hipfire spread Imo. Some more than others, obviously. Ryder Azorria wrote: No, accurate hipfire is bad in CQB (unless the guy is just standing there, but that's not an accuracy / range issue so much as a stupid issue) increasing the spread to anything but the most ridiculous levels would actually be a buff. (See HMG as an example of what I'm talking about) Accurate hipfire is in CQC is bad if you are bad at aiming. If you have a good aim you can get a lot of shots on target if the spread is tight. However, with a wide spread, no matter how good your aim is you will miss a lot more shots. We want cake and tea.
devonus durga P.L.A.N. B 110	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:06:00 - [20] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Valmorgan Aubaris wrote: Maybe a small one, but the rail rifle should get a semi sniper tunnel vision when aimed. Less severe tunnel vision for combat rifle. Of course you being Gallente would say that . Yes they should get a reduction but that could be said about all AR's and the SP . The CR is a triple threat having range , DPS and the accuracy that gun has is unmatched , it's by far the most lethal gun on the game . It needs a damage reduction , one can actually make it fire auto which makes it all that much more a threat . So maybe a lower late of fire and a damage reduction . The Burst PR doesn't fire anywhere close to the ROF of the CR but both guns are suppose to be somewhat similar . The CR , the basic would crush a Burst PR in a one on one . All of the AR's and the SP need hipfire accuracy reductions . OK let me say it, maybe BIG one,but the rail rifle should be a small sniper tunnel vision when named, less severe for combat rife Newbiest newberry to ever spawn a 10 page Debate

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2022	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:09:00 - [21] - Quote Yes, it should not outperform the Gallente assault in CQC. The rail rifle shouldn't anyway, the assault Combat Rifle should get a slight nerf to hipfire, but not much honestly. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2022	Posted - 2014.01.19 02:12:00 - [22] - Quote the shadow dragon wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I feel Rail Rifles do to much damage at short range, as a weapon it should fail as hard as a sniper in short ranges ok let me shot you in the face with a 50 cal. sniper rifle and see if it does less damage.or let me shot you with a M4 at close rang and see if it does less damage. yea your feelings are stupid. We are talking video game balance, not real world balance. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 976	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:01:00 - [23] - Quote the shadow dragon wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I feel Rail Rifles do to much damage at short range, as a weapon it should fail as hard as a sniper in short ranges ok let me shot you in the face with a 50 cal. sniper rifle and see if it does less damage.or let me shot you with a M4 at close rang and see if it does less damage. yea your feelings are stupid. Let me hit you with a tank or Jeep and we'll see if you either get crushed or magically pushed to the side? Lets test out what happens when a railgun hits a building, will it shrug it off without a hit? or will it destroy what it passes through? This is a game we're on about, people need to stop trying to bring real life examples into arguements on here If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2025	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:15:00 - [24] - Quote What about increasing it to pinpoint accuracy? It would then be like trying to use the laser rifle at close range lol Honestly, the way to make the RR worse in CQC against an AR is increasing the charge-up time. If the AR user sneaks up on a RR user, they should be able to kill them before the person can turn around, charge up, and start firing. RR should be more of a select your target at range thing that gives you a HUGE disadvantage if you are the one being shot at first. Basically, a weapon that is only good if you're the one that shoots first, and penalizes you for trying to fire your weapon in small bursts in CQC like you would with the AR. Right now the charge up time is just too minimal to even make a difference. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Teilka Darkmist 2	Posted - 2014.01.19 15:20:00 - [25] - Quote Any weapon fired from the hip should be less accurate than if you're aiming them. Whether they do that by applying an accuracy penalty unless you're pressing the aim button or applying an accuracy increase when you are aiming I don't know but common sense says that aiming should be more accurate than just pulling the trigger with the weapon pointing in the general direction you want to shoot.
the shadow dragon Commando Perkone Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.01.19 17:48:00 - [26] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: the shadow dragon wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: I feel Rail Rifles do to much damage at short range, as a weapon it should fail as hard as a sniper in short ranges ok let me shot you in the face with a 50 cal. sniper rifle and see if it does less damage.or let me shot you with a M4 at close rang and see if it does less damage. yea your feelings are stupid. Let me hit you with a tank or Jeep and we'll see if you either get crushed or magically pushed to the side? Lets test out what happens when a railgun hits a building, will it shrug it off without a hit? or will it destroy what it passes through? This is a game we're on about, people need to stop trying to bring real life examples into arguements on here If this game was anything like Arma or project reality then this game would be epic.and i don't give a fly kitten if im off topic in fact this game should be renamed CRY NERF 514.


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