DUST Search - Tank spam is the only thing saving us from ADS spam!

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

Op is unfounded. Slippery slope arguments are not useful. What we can't let happen is for rail tanks to lose too much elevation. Once they can't shoot up then we may have some issue with dropships. Step one is making sure no rail tank can shoot into the operational map zone from the redline. After that we have to assess how well they do.

I recorded the last 37 matches that I saw an ADS pilot not in my squad fly in. They never came first. The average kills was 7. With the highs being about 15. Compared to the top scorer in every match (dom/Skirm) who often topped 30 kills using rails/CR.

The truth is that even in a match with no AV dropships rarely ever out preform the top infantry players. While it is not a position we want to be in (uncontested) when talking about dropships and their impact on a battle you need to bear the measures of effectiveness in mind. What makes an ADS over powered? The OP implies kills. In that case they are far from OP. So what does a battlefield ruined by dropships look like? If we know that we can watch for it.

I see ADS die to forge and swarms often. So I do not think that ik tanks were all removed tomorrow that the ADS would start dominating. Tanks are not getting removed. Rail tanks can easily hit dropships from indoe the burn zone. At 250 meters a rail tank can shoot 284 meters into the air. ADS operate at 100 meters usually. A rail can hit that altitude from over 500m away.

Note : Operational map zones are those areas where objectives are contested


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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1537	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:40:00 - [1] - Quote Spread the word! We need rails to stay powerful, or ADS will become the most OP thing since the Duvolle and fore the same reason. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1537	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:43:00 - [2] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Op is unfounded. Slippery slope arguments are not useful. What we can't let happen is for rail tanks to lose too much elevation. Once they can't shoot up then we may have some issue with dropships. Step one is making sure no rail tank can shoot into the operational map zone from the redline. After that we have to assess how well they do. I recorded the last 37 matches that I saw an ADS pilot not in my squad fly in. They never came first. The average kills was 7. With the highs being about 15. Compared to the top scorer in every match (dom/Skirm) who often topped 30 kills using rails/CR. The truth is that even in a match with no AV dropships rarely ever out preform the top infantry players. While it is not a position we want to be in (uncontested) when talking about dropships and their impact on a battle you need to bear the measures of effectiveness in mind. What makes an ADS over powered? The OP implies kills. In that case they are far from OP. So what does a battlefield ruined by dropships look like? If we know that we can watch for it. I see ADS die to forge and swarms often. So I do not think that ik tanks were all removed tomorrow that the ADS would start dominating. Tanks are not getting removed. Rail tanks can easily hit dropships from indoe the burn zone. At 250 meters a rail tank can shoot 284 meters into the air. ADS operate at 100 meters usually. A rail can hit that altitude from over 500m away. Note : Operational map zones are those areas where objectives are contested Idk, man. Have you ever played with a few good tankers? ADS are crazy powerful. It was me, psychotic, ninja, serimaos, and....someone else with a tank and we TORE EVERYTHING UP! All I did was run scans, the 2 other tanks protected our dropships from other tanks, and the 2 dropships (ninja/seri) killed pretty much everything. When the Av did become something worth talkig about, Id ride in on a lav and shotgun 6 of them to death (3 dmg modded HK4M). The only thing that prevents a good ADS from going 25:0 every battle is a railgun (the same as the Surya in Chrome was only threatened by a triple dmg modded sagaris). We need the railgun tanks to counter dropships bc nothing else comes close. If a dropship is getting killed by rails, he should bring an OP rail tanker with him...even a UP rail tanker will do. lol. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1537	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:46:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Spread the word! We need rails to stay powerful, or ADS will become the most OP thing since the Duvolle and fore the same reason. What is your evidence for this? I don't mean a hypothesis. What do you base this claim on. In matches with no tanks I see dropships doing fair to average. What is your evidence for your claim? And for the same reason? Because they have zero kick and a 60 bullet clip? This comment is alarmest and makes no sense. Can you explain? I believe he was being sarcastic. No I am dead serious. The ADS is very powerful when piloted well and not threatened by rail tanks. It is pretty close to perfect, though I would support a lower HP, higher speed, aircraft which mounted large turrets. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!