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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Ryder Azorria wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

No this is great.

1) people will be done freaking out way before they actually announce anything.

2) This gives ample time for needed feedback.

If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community.

Obviously due to how the vehicle rebalance turned out (i.e. awful), using community wide feedback would be helpful (many many people showed that this would happen.)

Oh and CCP, if you are reading this, please please for the love of god rethink the direction your are going with these bonuses. Also, given that the CPM most likely heavily approved of your vehicle changes that have become a joke, I am not sure listening to the CPM on this one would be a good idea.

Lolololololol The VAST majority of the vehicle feedback was about how ridiculously underpowered the new tanks were going to be - so while some of us predicted that tanks would actually be pretty damn good, clearly most of the community completely sucks at theorycrafting.

Also the vehicle rebalance, not even kinda close to awful. Yes the price points need tweaking, and yes webifier grenades would be pretty sweet, but by and large AV vs V is in a pretty good place right now - problem is in most matches the AV players are non-existent or just plain suck.

Anyway, these changes are not necessarily going to make it into 1.8 at all, it's just the devs starting to hammer out what an eventual dropsuit rebalance might look like - Hans/Heinrich make a good post about it here.

Ok tanker, thats why a any given time there is between 3-4 Tanks/op AV/UP threads on the front page (present situatiion aside that is.)

Plenty of people thought nerfing ALL AV 30+% was a horrible idea when they were buffing tanks at the same time. This has been the worst vehicle/AV/infantry balance has been in over a year.

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DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3140	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:24:00 - [1] - Quote ... Is probably the reason CCP doesn't like to release info early. Seriously people, chill yo' *******. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3773	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:25:00 - [2] - Quote I haz my onions, you have yours. Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3140	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:27:00 - [3] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: I haz my onions, you have yours. At least I fry mine in ring form. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 3777	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:33:00 - [4] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I haz my onions, you have yours. At least I fry mine in ring form. ........you got me there Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 321	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:35:00 - [5] - Quote No this is great. 1) people will be done freaking out way before they actually announce anything. 2) This gives ample time for needed feedback. If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community. Obviously due to how the vehicle rebalance turned out (i.e. awful), using community wide feedback would be helpful (many many people showed that this would happen.) Oh and CCP, if you are reading this, please please for the love of god rethink the direction your are going with these bonuses. Also, given that the CPM most likely heavily approved of your vehicle changes that have become a joke, I am not sure listening to the CPM on this one would be a good idea. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 587	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:42:00 - [6] - Quote My only objection is Heavies driving LAV / HAV - That will be even more cheap. They should need to travel in dropships and the ground transport (whenever that gets released) Have no issue with Assaults, Sentinels and Commandos being the most combat ready suits.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3143	Posted - 2014.01.08 03:53:00 - [7] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: No this is great. 1) people will be done freaking out way before they actually announce anything. 2) This gives ample time for needed feedback. If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community. Obviously due to how the vehicle rebalance turned out (i.e. awful), using community wide feedback would be helpful (many many people showed that this would happen.) Oh and CCP, if you are reading this, please please for the love of god rethink the direction your are going with these bonuses. Also, given that the CPM most likely heavily approved of your vehicle changes that have become a joke, I am not sure listening to the CPM on this one would be a good idea. You do realize that now CCP will reach a conclusion and they won't share it us before it is locked in. So in essence, today showed exactly why CCP likes to be so secretive. Take note, I am playing devil's advocate. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6310	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:01:00 - [8] - Quote Please read this. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134344&find=unread OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 791	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:13:00 - [9] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: No this is great. 1) people will be done freaking out way before they actually announce anything. 2) This gives ample time for needed feedback. If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community. Obviously due to how the vehicle rebalance turned out (i.e. awful), using community wide feedback would be helpful (many many people showed that this would happen.) Oh and CCP, if you are reading this, please please for the love of god rethink the direction your are going with these bonuses. Also, given that the CPM most likely heavily approved of your vehicle changes that have become a joke, I am not sure listening to the CPM on this one would be a good idea. Lolololololol The VAST majority of the vehicle feedback was about how ridiculously underpowered the new tanks were going to be - so while some of us predicted that tanks would actually be pretty damn good, clearly most of the community completely sucks at theorycrafting. Also the vehicle rebalance, not even kinda close to awful. Yes the price points need tweaking, and yes webifier grenades would be pretty sweet, but by and large AV vs V is in a pretty good place right now - problem is in most matches the AV players are non-existent or just plain suck. Anyway, these changes are not necessarily going to make it into 1.8 at all, it's just the devs starting to hammer out what an eventual dropsuit rebalance might look like - Hans/Heinrich make a good post about it here.
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4417	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:23:00 - [10] - Quote DeadlyAztec, to be fair, the way you're handling this info is part of the reason as well. No where was it stated that these changes are planned for 1.8. CCP, like any developer, fears telling it's customers stuff early because then they start expecting it right away. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!

Foxbat 071 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 118	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:28:00 - [11] - Quote yes *BLAP* ( X ) Call For Help ( O ) Respawn
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 325	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:32:00 - [12] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: No this is great. 1) people will be done freaking out way before they actually announce anything. 2) This gives ample time for needed feedback. If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community. Obviously due to how the vehicle rebalance turned out (i.e. awful), using community wide feedback would be helpful (many many people showed that this would happen.) Oh and CCP, if you are reading this, please please for the love of god rethink the direction your are going with these bonuses. Also, given that the CPM most likely heavily approved of your vehicle changes that have become a joke, I am not sure listening to the CPM on this one would be a good idea. Lolololololol The VAST majority of the vehicle feedback was about how ridiculously underpowered the new tanks were going to be - so while some of us predicted that tanks would actually be pretty damn good, clearly most of the community completely sucks at theorycrafting. Also the vehicle rebalance, not even kinda close to awful. Yes the price points need tweaking, and yes webifier grenades would be pretty sweet, but by and large AV vs V is in a pretty good place right now - problem is in most matches the AV players are non-existent or just plain suck. Anyway, these changes are not necessarily going to make it into 1.8 at all, it's just the devs starting to hammer out what an eventual dropsuit rebalance might look like - Hans/Heinrich make a good post about it here. Ok tanker, thats why a any given time there is between 3-4 Tanks/op AV/UP threads on the front page (present situatiion aside that is.) Plenty of people thought nerfing ALL AV 30+% was a horrible idea when they were buffing tanks at the same time. This has been the worst vehicle/AV/infantry balance has been in over a year. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3146	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:36:00 - [13] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: DeadlyAztec, to be fair, the way you're handling this info is part of the reason as well. No where was it stated that these changes are planned for 1.8. CCP, like any developer, fears telling it's customers stuff early because then they start expecting it right away. What are you talking about? I know it's not final, I never said it was. And there are many reasons for nit divulging info, but the response it got today just reinforced CCP's view that the community should be left in the dark. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4417	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:50:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: DeadlyAztec, to be fair, the way you're handling this info is part of the reason as well. No where was it stated that these changes are planned for 1.8. CCP, like any developer, fears telling it's customers stuff early because then they start expecting it right away. What are you talking about? I know it's not final, I never said it was. And there are many reasons for nit divulging info, but the response it got today just reinforced CCP's view that the community should be left in the dark. I'm just saying, in the title of this thread you described it as "1.8 info." That is all I'm saying. Thread title should probably be changed to "new info" or something. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1418	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:51:00 - [15] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community This is a problem for the CPM and then the community. The CPM is probably all over this as they should be. If CCP wants us to use the CPM as a conduit for change and ideas then they need to actively include the CPM on these type of "leaks" before it hits SISI to stop this kind of forum fire. It is short sightedness on the behalf of CCP if the CPM wasn't involved or told about these changes. Kain Spero wrote: I do enjoy the fact that CPM didn't find out about all this stuff until it was posted publicly with no chances in prior discussion. CCP Shanghai seems dead set on developing in a black box. CCP can talk about transparency all they want, but until the developers responsible for the moment-to-moment gameplay actually bother having real discussions with the CPM and the community the talk of transparency is nothing but words. I think one thing is clear though from these proposed skill changes etc. If significant changes like this were to occur a full respec for everyone needs to be done without question. This quote seems to point out that they were not involved and I think it was a huge mistake not to at least let them know before hand what was coming. If CCP wants us to respect our CPMs and use them as intended then they themselves need to do the same. I know that CPM0 is in a difficult spot but CCP isn't helping by not involving them even on the most basic level. Come on CCP you can do better than this and if you want us to help this game grow and become better then you need to use the tools you created to nip things like this in the bud. Sorry for the rant. With love from a fanboy. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 620	Posted - 2014.01.08 05:03:00 - [16] - Quote What 1.8 info? Are you referring to the singularity stuff? We aren't sure if that's 1.8 stuff yet. Chill brah
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 795	Posted - 2014.01.08 05:05:00 - [17] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Ryder Azorria wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: No this is great. 1) people will be done freaking out way before they actually announce anything. 2) This gives ample time for needed feedback. If anything the moment they decide that this is what direction they are going to be taking, they should put it to the community. Obviously due to how the vehicle rebalance turned out (i.e. awful), using community wide feedback would be helpful (many many people showed that this would happen.) Oh and CCP, if you are reading this, please please for the love of god rethink the direction your are going with these bonuses. Also, given that the CPM most likely heavily approved of your vehicle changes that have become a joke, I am not sure listening to the CPM on this one would be a good idea. Lolololololol The VAST majority of the vehicle feedback was about how ridiculously underpowered the new tanks were going to be - so while some of us predicted that tanks would actually be pretty damn good, clearly most of the community completely sucks at theorycrafting. Also the vehicle rebalance, not even kinda close to awful. Yes the price points need tweaking, and yes webifier grenades would be pretty sweet, but by and large AV vs V is in a pretty good place right now - problem is in most matches the AV players are non-existent or just plain suck. Anyway, these changes are not necessarily going to make it into 1.8 at all, it's just the devs starting to hammer out what an eventual dropsuit rebalance might look like - Hans/Heinrich make a good post about it here. Ok tanker, thats why a any given time there is between 3-4 Tanks/op AV/UP threads on the front page (present situatiion aside that is.) Plenty of people thought nerfing ALL AV 30+% was a horrible idea when they were buffing tanks at the same time. This has been the worst vehicle/AV/infantry balance has been in over a year. AVer here btw - and I already answered your question, most people either suck at AVing or don't even bother. The former might have a lot to do with how ridiculously easy AVing used to be, people just got lazy and now they're kicking and screaming and begging CCP to return to the 'good old days'. Also, there quite a few cognitive biases at play here - not least among which would be the classic Confirmation Bias.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 459	Posted - 2014.01.08 05:10:00 - [18] - Quote Except it was another player who announced changes that might or might not be in 1.8 I will remain skeptical until I experience 1.8. If we get respects and all these new changes + content, I won't be trying the assault as I will finally go proto Scout and advanced logi. If I have any points left over, sure I'll put one in assault and commando.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 724	Posted - 2014.01.09 16:40:00 - [19] - Quote Tanks Vs AV which is OP and which is UP ?!
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1512	Posted - 2014.01.09 16:42:00 - [20] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I haz my onions, you have yours. At least I fry mine in ring form. eww.. chop those onions up man! i can only imagine what your favorite burger looks like...

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 1351	Posted - 2014.01.09 16:53:00 - [21] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: My only objection is Heavies driving LAV / HAV - That will be even more cheap. They should need to travel in dropships and the ground transport (whenever that gets released) Have no issue with Assaults, Sentinels and Commandos being the most combat ready suits. IDK, personally, I think that heavies in Dropships or LAVs are fine, though they should affect acceleration, handling and top speed. From my understanding of getting into/out of tanks (as well as interior space considerations), I agree with you about heavies in HAVs. Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1885	Posted - 2014.01.09 17:36:00 - [22] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Is probably the reason CCP doesn't like to release info early. Seriously people, chill yo' *******. Eve dev teams share balance info on the test server forums and receive feedback and make changes instead of just dropping it in an update and collecting feedback. Guess which one leads to less headaches. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3177	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:36:00 - [23] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Patrick57 wrote: I haz my onions, you have yours. At least I fry mine in ring form. eww.. chop those onions up man! i can only imagine what your favorite burger looks like... Cow tongue with Sauer Kraut, tomato, Quesillo cheese. All on a mini bagel. You wanna battle / Aztec's not afraid of you / I could care less about your reputation / Even though it maybe true.
NAV HIV The Generals General Tso's Alliance 742	Posted - 2014.01.09 19:46:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: ... Is probably the reason CCP doesn't like to release info early. Seriously people, chill yo' *******. Exactly... And focus on tanks vs AV balance


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