DUST Search - Payload delivery (TTK and weapon balance) [maths inside]

KingBabar wrote:

Magnus Amadeuss wrote:

Refresh my memory... what drawbacks does the CR have again?

Balanced damge types?? Weak against any type of tank?? no

Low DPS? (ha, try the highest)

Overheat? nope

Hard to fit? nope

Lets contrast that to the ScR

Only normal damage profile (you know, only avergaed to 100%)? yep

between 11-18 shots and then you are helpless for 5 seconds? yep

Requires a specific suit with 2.4 mil sp to be truely effective? yep

Hardest to fit rifle (almost hardest to fit weapon)? yep

Lowest sustained DPS? yep

Can kill the user? yep

OH right, the ScR is just ridiculously overpowered.

You forgot the difference in range and,
the high alpha of the scr, and,
ammo Count.

The Scr out ranges the CR, so in those situations the Scr is God and the CR is useless.

High alpha Equals dead enemies before they can get to cover, and this is not a smal thing, high alpha dps and protection are normally the 2 most valuable stas for a slayer fitting.

With my scrambler rifle Assault fit I can use either a Scanner or a Rephive or whatever, it never runs out of ammo. Same setup With a CR makes me dependant on carrying an enhanced nanohive or better. So for the same offensive capabilities i need either a Scr or a CR + Hive. So which ones of these are easiest ot fit?

And you keep talking like the only possible use for the Scr is to fire Close to overheat and then wait for 5 Seconds. Thats very far from true. Mysalf and many experienced Scr players sort of "spreads out" Our fire, smal bursts that doesn't deplete the over heat. When in CQC against multiple opponets its a mater of switching between the Scr and a sidearm, I've mowd Down Squads doing just that.

The way you foreward Your arguments leads me to think that the Scr isn't a gun for you. Its a sort of "gentlemans" weapon that takes a lot of skill to use well, but when wielded by the righ hands its among the best guns we have.

I mostly use my CR these days, I'm a CQC player after all, but I'm still very glad I specced into the Scr, its still a beast of a gun. That you can't use it properly is entirely Your fault. I see Your Math, I agree on that part. I do not however agree at all that the CR is any kind of OP compared to the Scr.

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Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:01:00 - [1] - Quote Stealth ScR nerf thread eh? So I am sure it has been mentioned, but the combat rifle does 27% more damage per trigger squeeze. (72 dmg for ScR versus 96 damage for CR) The combat rifle does 102.5% normalized damage (everyone else does 100% normalized) The combat rifle does not overheat. The combat rifle has 30+% more sustainable DPS than any other wepaon. The sustainable DPS of the ScR is near the bottom of all rifles (remember that pesky overheat? that means 16 shots before overheat or 9 shots with 1 overheated shot) The ScR can (and does) kill the user of the weapon (through overheating damage). So that makes it pretty clear that the CR is the OP rifle. Then again, all of the rifles do way too much damage, and there is not reason why a rifle with double the range (RR) should do anywhere near the same amount of damage the AR does. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:06:00 - [2] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. WHAT??.... I can quite easily empty the entire clip in just under 3 seconds. 54/18 = 3, meaning that I am firing at very very close to the max fire rate of 6.66 trigger pulls per second. (I average 6) This also means that I can put out about 1,000 DPS for 3 seconds and then reload and do it again, for as long as I ave nano hives. For the cheap seats, this works out to about 600 DPS sustained DPS. I can do 2,700 over a period of 9 seconds with the ScR (you know, that pesky 5 second seize where I am completely defenseless). This works out to a sustained DPS of 300. *note, I do not include reload times here. Face it , CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other rifles. To put it another way, proof or STFU. I am calling you out for a video of this trigger pull clipping. The burdern of proof is on you. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 09:52:00 - [3] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: Let's not forget also that even if you were to max out the Cr... You can't max out the CR. There is definitely some kind of refire delay interval. Five burst a second only works ot 300 trigger plus a minute. WHAT??.... I can quite easily empty the entire clip in just under 3 seconds. 54/18 = 3, meaning that I am firing at very very close to the max fire rate of 6.66 trigger pulls per second. (I average 6) This also means that I can put out about 1,000 DPS for 3 seconds and then reload and do it again, for as long as I ave nano hives. For the cheap seats, this works out to about 600 DPS sustained DPS. I can do 2,700 over a period of 9 seconds with the ScR (you know, that pesky 5 second seize where I am completely defenseless). This works out to a sustained DPS of 300. note, I do not include reload times here. Face it , CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all other rifles. To put it another way, proof or STFU. I am calling you out for a video of this trigger pull clipping. The burdern of proof is on you. Can I see the timed (with a stop watch or what have you). Because I actually have timed it with a stop watch. So I'm going to have to call bull*** here. See that is the wonderful thing, you have made the assertion that it is impossible to max out the DPS of the CR, you have made that claim. There is absolutely NO evidence to point to the clipping of trigger pulls. There has been none for the Scrambler pistol, the TAC AR, or the SCR (not like you could without a turbo controller on the SCR.). You are making a claim that is unique among dust 514, and therefor it is YOU who have to back up your claim. The math is quite simple, 1200/3=400 RPM. This means if you pull the trigger UNDER 6.66 times a second then it should be IMPOSSIBLE to clip anyway. my assertion is that I can pull the trigger around 6 times a second, as I can reliably prove here. ( I score 5.9-6.1 consistently) This means at base, a SCR does 432 DPS for me and it overheats after 16 shots (unless I spend another 2.5 mil sp on amarr assault, and only use that one suit, then it is 25 shots.) This means that I can do 432 DPS per second for between 3 and 4 seconds before I AM HELPLESS FOR 5 SECONDS. Using the base CR, I can do 552 DPS without overheat and damaging myself, for 3 seconds. Not only that, the CR has an average of 102.5% dmg, rather than the 100% of the ScR, making that 565 DPS, or to put it another way, it does 31% more damage. Proof or STFU. CR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ScR. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:13:00 - [4] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Stealth ScR nerf thread eh? It's not a nerf thread. I have simply done the math looking for anomalies, have found some and reported on them. "So I am sure it has been mentioned, but the combat rifle does -á27% more damage per trigger squeeze. (72 dmg for ScR versus 96 damage for CR)" What does that mater when the trigger on a CR can only be pulled at most 5 times a second, where as, the ScR can be pulled in excess of 8 times per second? proof or STFU Quote: "The combat rifle does 102.5% normalized damage (everyone else does 100% normalized)" This was already accounted for in my initial analysis found in my OP. "The combat rifle has 30+% more sustainable DPS than any other wepaon." Exactly what numbers are you basing this on?-á Std AR damage per mag: 2,040 Std RR damage per mag: 2,310 Std CR damage per mag: 1,728 Sustainable DPS is what you get when you calculate the maximum damage that can be done constantly with a weapon. This is a very very straight forward process for the weapons without overheat. You multiple the damage per round by the rounds in a magazine and divide that by the product of the rounds per second and the reload time. In the case of the Combat Rifle, this goes: (32 damage per round * 54 rounds per magazine) / ( [54 rounds per magazine/20 rounds per second] + 2.6 second reload) (3254) / ([54/18] +2.6) = 308 (at my firing speed or 6 pulls per second) The ScR is different, you have an upper limit of the amount of damage you can do before overheating kicks in, and then you are stopped. This happens much faster and more often than the magazine empting, so this is your ScR damage limiting factor. The SCR can fire 16 rounds before overheat (25 on the amarr assault). This is the number you should use when calculating sustained DPS. So the calculation goes as follows: Damage per round times the rounds before overheat divided by the length of seizure (which is 5 seconds.) (72 damage per round 16 rounds) / ([16/6] + 5) = 150 DPS. OR if you must stick with your obviously biased damage per magazine, you should consider the ScR magazine to be between 16 to 25 rounds, because after that firing you are overheated and probably dead (because you can't use a sidearm/sprint and you just did a free 50 DMG to yourself) Quote: "The sustainable DPS of the ScR is near the bottom of all rifles (remember that pesky overheat? that means 16 shots before overheat or 9 shots with 1 overheated shot)" I just recently tested this, it is 19 rounds before over heat, with a damage output of 1,425 at the std level unmoded. No, the amount of rounds you can shoot before overheat depend upon your firing speed. I get 16 rounds reliably before overheat (25 with maxxed amarr assault), I think with a turbo controller you get 10. At your rate of fire (I guess 5 rounds per second) the ScR does 350 DPS at base for 4 seconds, and then you are HELPLESS FOR 5 SECONDS. In that same time with a CR would have done 1728 (480 DPS) and already be 0.4 seconds into your reload, able to switch weapons or sprint. Thanks for helping me prove my point. Quote: "The ScR can (and does) kill the user of the weapon (through overheating damage)." This does not excuse the gross imbalance in TTK/payload delivery between the ScR and the other rifles. "So that makes it pretty clear that the CR is the OP rifle." Now, explain to me how that works again, given that I have just countered all your points, and clearly demonstrated the gross imbalance in TTK between these weapons in my OP. "Then again, all of the rifles do way too much damage, and there is not reason why a rifle with double the range (RR) should do anywhere near the same amount of damage the AR does." And the RR doesn't, as can clearly be seen with the number given in my OP. You have proven nothing other than you are bad at math an analytical observations. I have shown how your numbers are flawed, and your reasoning is flawed. I have not made any wild claims (trigger pull clipping) that are completely un-founded and without evidence (hence merrit). Just stop. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:22:00 - [5] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Dude pay really close attentetion, because it frustrates me to unnecessarily have to repeat myself over and over again. I just timed how many burst the CR can put out in a second with a stop watch. It's 5 in 1.1 seconds. I don't have to prove anything. If someone doesn't believe me then they can get a stop watch and a friend and time themselves and find out that I was telling the truth. It's not hard to do. And I don't care how fast you can pull a trigger, your not going to be able to fire more bursts in a set amount of time the the games programming will alow you to. The is a reason why the assault variant, which is fully auto at 1200 r/m, only does 22 damage, while the burst does 32. There is a refire delay before each consecutively fired burst. Now stop talking out you @$$ your wasting my time. Just because you repeat a lie a bunch of times doesn't make it magically true. You are not a politician. You are making a claim (trigger pull clipping) that HAS NEVER BEEN MADE BEFORE. Your proof of this? It is your word that you have timed yourself. This means NOTHING. You word is worth less than nothing, because by relying on only this poor bit of information, you show that you are incapable or providing actual evidence. This calls into question your motives, and wether or not you are lying (signs point to lying). I too have timed how long it takes me to empty a clip of a CR, I got about 3 seconds. This means I was pulling the trigger around 6 times per second(of course this claim is unfounded because it is just my word and I do not have a video of it). This lines up with my average click speed at the above site I linked to before. Fortunately I am not the one making the claim (trigger pull clipping) with no proof of either a) being physically able to trigger pull above 5 times per second or b) the clipping itself Your prior claim of 19 trigger pulls before the ScR overheated proves that you are not pulling the trigger very fast. Just stop man. You look like you are either a 11 year old trying to argue, or are purposefully trying to get a gun that kills you nerfed. The CR >>>>>>>>>>>>> all rifles for damage. That isn't right. the AR should have the highest damage out of all rifle, but unfortunately it does less DPS that just about all of other rifles. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:41:00 - [6] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'm through arguing with you bro. I have made my case quite clearly. And I am quite certain that any one with half a brain can see that exactly what I am and the truth of it. Lol, sustainable DPS. Ok so this means that you have been thoroughly disproven right? I mean, I have point-by-point discredited EVERYTHING you have claimed, and shown that you are incompetent right? People emptying the CR in 3 seconds or less Here 17-18 shots before overheat with SCR on un-bonused suit. here Click per second calculator here When are you going to stop lying, stop misrepresenting stuff, and show some freaking proof?? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 10:57:00 - [7] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I just did another test on emptying a full mag. It takes 4.1 seconds to empty a mag. At 18 bursts per mag that comes out to 0.22777778 seconds per burst. Or, 1.13888889 seconds for five burst. Now I don't have the ability to capture video or believe me I would, just to cram it down this @$$holes throat, but anyone can easily do this test, and to anyone who can post video of them doing this test I welcome it. Ok so tomorrow when I post a video, and it shows that you are completely and utterly full of ****, you are going to STFU up? I just capture some but I still need to uplaod them. Just FYI, I also captured a scrambler, and I can get 15 rounds before overheat. So when I upload these videos, are you going to STFU? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:02:00 - [8] - Quote ok fine, since you are continuing to be a complete and utter jackass about this, I will make you a wager. IF I show you a video of emptying the magazine in under 4 seconds, you give me 250 mil isk IF I do not, I give you 250 mil isk. Or if you are broke, how about posting privledges. If I post the aforementioned video, you will never post on these forums again, and if I fail to, I will never post again. Come on *******, put you money where your mouth is. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:10:00 - [9] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: ok fine, since you are continuing to be a complete and utter jackass about this, I will make you a wager. IF I show you a video of emptying the magazine in under 4 seconds, you give me 250 mil isk IF I do not, I give you 250 mil isk. Or if you are broke, how about posting privledges. If I post the aforementioned video, you will never post on these forums again, and if I fail to, I will never post again. Come on ******, put you money where your mouth is. What kind of a stupid child are you. shakes his head* Moron. Not confident enough to bet? How about 50 mil isk? 20 mil isk? Come on, you are so confident in everything you have said (which I have shot down time and again). This is easy isk for you. Could it be that you realize that you are wrong and just don't want to admit it? Is that the best you can come up with? Moron and child? If I was busy getting all of my math completely disproven, I do not think that is the choice of words I would make. Come on, make the bet. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 394	Posted - 2014.01.31 11:29:00 - [10] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: ok fine, since you are continuing to be a complete and utter jackass about this, I will make you a wager. IF I show you a video of emptying the magazine in under 4 seconds, you give me 250 mil isk IF I do not, I give you 250 mil isk. Or if you are broke, how about posting privledges. If I post the aforementioned video, you will never post on these forums again, and if I fail to, I will never post again. Come on ******, put you money where your mouth is. What kind of a stupid child are you. shakes his head* Moron. Not confident enough to bet? What and have you speed up the frames per second in an attempt to cheat no thanx. I'll post my own video. You see ratamaqu doc can do some really cool stuff with his video capture. Screen in screen you'll actually be able to see him pulling the DS3 trigger while we time how long it takes to empty a clip. Like this video he made to prove that he doesn't use a moded controller. I'll upload the video tomorrow, well see how well you like me then. Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0ty2WZ82k8&feature=youtube_gdata_player Your buddy can shoot very quickly, he overheated the ScR in 11 shots at one point. He should easily be able to max out the CR. But of course that won't happen right? Stop being a *** and bet me. Come on, you are SO confident, even though all of the math says you are wrong, and of course this trigger clipping has never been claimed by anyone else, let alone proven. But none of that matters right? Stop being a *** and put your money where your mouth is. Come on if you are so confident this should be free isk. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.

Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 396	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:02:00 - [11] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Rabble rabble rabble. The SCR touched me in a no no square. Rabble rabble rabble. Butthurt. Rabble rabble rabble. Trying to call the SCR op. Lol, butthurt. All I did was mathematically demonstrate an imbalance where I found it. Sound to me like you're the one who is butthert. Maww, what's wong, you fraid the gonna take away your church. Poor baby. Please stop saying that, you didn't prove anything other than you barely understand mathematics. CR does way more damage than any other rifle (sans turbo) CR has a better damage profile than any other rifle CR is the easiiest to fit rifle CR has decent range (not the lowest by any means) CR does 30% more damage per trigger pull than the SCR. CR doesn't overheat. Finally, we have proven anyone who compares the SCR with another rifle using damage per clip is quite simply mentally handicapped. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 396	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:11:00 - [12] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Rabble rabble rabble. The SCR touched me in a no no square. Rabble rabble rabble. Butthurt. Rabble rabble rabble. Trying to call the SCR op. Lol, butthurt. All I did was mathematically demonstrate an imbalance where I found it. Sound to me like you're the one who is butthert. Maww, what's wong, you fraid the gonna take away your church. Poor baby. Please stop saying that, you didn't prove anything other than you barely understand mathematics. CR does way more damage than any other rifle (sans turbo) CR has a better damage profile than any other rifle CR is the easiiest to fit rifle CR has decent range (not the lowest by any means) CR does 30% more damage per trigger pull than the SCR. CR doesn't overheat. Finally, we have proven anyone who compares the SCR with another rifle using damage per clip is quite simply mentally handicapped. Yap, just keep on flapping those lips. I got your number. Just wait for it. Coming from the r3tard who won't even take free isk. Just STFU about balance until you get to at least pre-algebra kid. Your ineptitude with the most basic of mathematical computations is quite frankly astounding. I'd wager your an American. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 396	Posted - 2014.01.31 12:16:00 - [13] - Quote Refresh my memory... what drawbacks does the CR have again? Balanced damge types?? Weak against any type of tank?? no Low DPS? (ha, try the highest) Overheat? nope Hard to fit? nope Lets contrast that to the ScR Only normal damage profile (you know, only avergaed to 100%)? yep between 11-18 shots and then you are helpless for 5 seconds? yep Requires a specific suit with 2.4 mil sp to be truely effective? yep Hardest to fit rifle (almost hardest to fit weapon)? yep Lowest sustained DPS? yep Can kill the user? yep OH right, the ScR is just ridiculously overpowered. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 396	Posted - 2014.01.31 13:07:00 - [14] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Refresh my memory... what drawbacks does the CR have again? Balanced damge types?? Weak against any type of tank?? no Low DPS? (ha, try the highest) Overheat? nope Hard to fit? nope Lets contrast that to the ScR Only normal damage profile (you know, only avergaed to 100%)? yep between 11-18 shots and then you are helpless for 5 seconds? yep Requires a specific suit with 2.4 mil sp to be truely effective? yep Hardest to fit rifle (almost hardest to fit weapon)? yep Lowest sustained DPS? yep Can kill the user? yep OH right, the ScR is just ridiculously overpowered. You forgot the difference in range and, the high alpha of the scr, and, ammo Count. The Scr out ranges the CR, so in those situations the Scr is God and the CR is useless. High alpha Equals dead enemies before they can get to cover, and this is not a smal thing, high alpha dps and protection are normally the 2 most valuable stas for a slayer fitting. With my scrambler rifle Assault fit I can use either a Scanner or a Rephive or whatever, it never runs out of ammo. Same setup With a CR makes me dependant on carrying an enhanced nanohive or better. So for the same offensive capabilities i need either a Scr or a CR + Hive. So which ones of these are easiest ot fit? And you keep talking like the only possible use for the Scr is to fire Close to overheat and then wait for 5 Seconds. Thats very far from true. Mysalf and many experienced Scr players sort of "spreads out" Our fire, smal bursts that doesn't deplete the over heat. When in CQC against multiple opponets its a mater of switching between the Scr and a sidearm, I've mowd Down Squads doing just that. The way you foreward Your arguments leads me to think that the Scr isn't a gun for you. Its a sort of "gentlemans" weapon that takes a lot of skill to use well, but when wielded by the righ hands its among the best guns we have. I mostly use my CR these days, I'm a CQC player after all, but I'm still very glad I specced into the Scr, its still a beast of a gun. That you can't use it properly is entirely Your fault. I see Your Math, I agree on that part. I do not however agree at all that the CR is any kind of OP compared to the Scr. Trust me I fully understand how to properly use the SCR. IT doesn't change the fact that the overheating mechanism is a HUGE drawback for the weapon, one that the CR (or any other rifle bar the laser) doesn't have. Yes, you try to lead with a charged shot. If you are not using an amarrian assault suit, that leaves you with 9 additional shots before it overheats and you die. Yes I understand that you need to switch to a sidearm when you are about to overheat, but in the heat of battle that always doesn't happen, to say otherwise is to be lie. This is also another HUGE drawback that the CR doesn't have (need for a really good sidearm). Anyway, yes the ScR has a high alpha.... but how long after the first round does this advantage persist?5 trigger pulls... yep, after 5 trigger pulls After the charged shot, the high alpha has been mitigated and the ScR can NEVER catch back up or even compete with the CR in damage. Also, yes the CR has slightly less range than the ScR, and for this ONE weakness it has against the ScR, it get 30% more DPS. This does not hold true for the AR versus the CR. The AR actually does 425 DPS versus the 660 DPS of the CR, while having less range. There is no way you can analyze the CR without it coming out overpowered compared to the other weapons. Of course this entire thread is flawed. The OP just picks weapons randomly to compare (the RR, the ScR, the AR, and the assault CR?? already off to a bad start.) Then it picks a randomly chosen trigger squeeze parameter to judge the SCR with, then it ignores overheating, and of course complete ignores ranges and fittings. Why does the rail rifle do more damage than the AR? Why does the CR do more damage than any other rifle? Why does the CR get 102.5% efficiency? Why is the ScR really only great on one suit? You were right before when you said that the ScR and the CR serve completely different purposes. The ScR is a hit-and-run type of weapon without any staying power and has MAJOR drawbacks when trying to use it outside of this narrow window. The CR is a more controlled spray and prey weapon that is more damaging and effective in CqC than the rifle with the shortest range. The RR, after a 0.25 s pre-fire, is actually better at CQC than the AR... The rifle balance is incredibly messed up, but the ScR, a weapon that hasn't been changed in forever, isn't the culprit here. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.